At what point does 2H exceed DW for spell damage?

Savos_Saren · October 2015

So- I've noticed in the forums lately that a 2H sword actually exceeds the spell damage that of dual Torug's Pact swords.

Both my NBs are V16- so I can't really afford to make a 2H sword to test ...because it costs 150 friggin' ingots! (Thanks Obama!)

I'd just like to know if my 2 V16 Torug's Pact swords are better or worse than a V16 2H. Does "Rally" increase the spell damage- or is it specifically for weapon damage?

Any suggestions? If you're a numbers cruncher- feel free to overload us with some facts.

lolo_01b16_ESO · October 2015

Rally only buffs weapon damage. The secret is the 5% extra damage (real outgoing damage, not just spell damage) you get from 2h swords.
So if your max magicka and spell damage is that high, that Torug's Pact swords add less than 5% to your damage output, then a 2h sword is better. I recall someone calculated the break even point being somewhere around 40k magicka.

Waffennacht · October 2015

What about the effect of traits? Cause its just one for the big guy, wouldn't the added percentage on the second sword make a closer call?

Just curious read a lot about this too

Forestd16b14_ESO · October 2015

And some still question if stuff is broken. A sword be duel wielded or a greatsword shouldn't give more sell damage than a magical stick that is on fire but not turning to ash or a insulated stick that channels freaking electricity .

Suru · October 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

And some still question if stuff is broken. A sword be duel wielded or a greatsword shouldn't give more sell damage than a magical stick that is on fire but not turning to ash or a insulated stick that channels freaking electricity .

gonna have to deal with this break in immersion, because I believe they said it is inteneded.

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2015

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Rally only buffs weapon damage. The secret is the 5% extra damage (real outgoing damage, not just spell damage) you get from 2h swords.
So if your max magicka and spell damage is that high, that Torug's Pact swords add less than 5% to your damage output, then a 2h sword is better. I recall someone calculated the break even point being somewhere around 40k magicka.

P.S.: After testing in PTS, we have found that 2H and dual wield passives have now been fixed to be equal, so there is no longer any point to running a 2h...Rejoice, for you get 31 extra spell damage and a set slot!

hardcore_gmr · October 2015

In live gameplay 2 handed swords provide more damage to abilities, not more spell power than dual wield. The difference now is that the 2 handed passive heavy weapons gives more damage than the added spell power of dual wield torug's pact. So when you have a 2h sword with that passive unlocked, your tooltip damage will be higher than a dual wield torug's pact, even though your spell power will be lower on the character sheet. Apparently this is fixed in the new PTS and dual wield gives more overall damage.

Johngo0036 · October 2015

I recall someone doing a whole calculation on this and the result was something like this,

If your base spell damage is more than 2.5k without weapons then use 2H..

Do not quote me on this but that is what i recall..

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2015

Johngo0036 wrote: »

I recall someone doing a whole calculation on this and the result was something like this,

If your base spell damage is more than 2.5k without weapons then use 2H..

Do not quote me on this but that is what i recall..

The calculation was made by @Asayre and is If .05 x Max Magicka + .525 x Spell damage (without weapon) >2035, then use 2H...since DLC is dropping in around 2 weeks, I would not make any gear with 2H and simply wait to make DW..

Johngo0036 · October 2015

@hedna123b14_ESO - Thanks......

I remembered something like that.. lol..