Those who think they know about ES lore,...

Belidos · October 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

The last 12 of them have no hidden meaning because he was dying for a pee when he wrote them and got them down fast before he forgot the jist of it

Dracane · October 2015

I think, this question is not that easy.

Reminds me of the Halo games, where there are titles, that take place in the past and where there are all these exotic weapons. But in the older games that play in the normal time, they aren't there.
Because sometimes, things that used to be there in the past, are no longer in use in the future or have changed. And developers evolve with each game. Meaning they add new things, even if the newer game takes place in the past.

Things can be added to the lore, which happened a lot in TESO. Because new ideas come etc.
This is perfectly valid and appreciated, as long as it does not interfere with already known things.

Rosveen · October 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Rosveen wrote:

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote:

Fishy Sticks are from past ES games.Not the forums or ESO.I remember them in Morrowind.Well,the funny references anyway.

Nope. Fishy sticks were probably the first Bethesda official forum meme. They were invented by Captain Eldrad to reward people who seemed like a positive contribution to the community . It later became a tradition to welcome new members with a fishy stick. The devs were amused and commemorated fishy stick in their games. There's a reason why Morrowind's reference is "The Capn's Guide to the Fishy Stick"

I assume you were meaning forums for Morrowind or earlier.Not this one.

Yes, of course. This is the ESO forum, not Bethesda forum.

Cadbury · October 2015

I used to be an ES hipster like you, until I took an arrow to the knee.

In all seriousness, my first ES game was Morrowind. I even remember the very first books I found (The Wraith's Wedding Dowry followed by Surfeit of Thieves). That being said, I'm nowhere near an expert. Guess I'm not nerdy enough for the Nerdy Club :'(

Now if you wanna discuss the social and political ramifications of The Lusty Argonian Maid, then I'm your man...

AngryNord · October 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To whine because something is or is not "lore friendly" doesnt mean the look of some clothing or armor,or weapon.

Sorry, but I still reserve the right to call it non-lore friendly if ZOS suddenly introduce an NPC wearing BDUs and brandishing an M16

Elsonso · October 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To whine because something is or is not "lore friendly" doesnt mean the look of some clothing or armor,or weapon.

Sorry, but I still reserve the right to call it non-lore friendly if ZOS suddenly introduce an NPC wearing BDUs and brandishing an M16

This is why they hired someone of the caliber of Lawrence Schick to handle the sticky lore issues. Schick would probably be able to write the lore that is necessary to bring battle dress uniforms and a rifle into the game.

EDIT: And when he was done, you would kick yourself for not seeing it that way from the start....

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To whine because something is or is not "lore friendly" doesnt mean the look of some clothing or armor,or weapon.

Sorry, but I still reserve the right to call it non-lore friendly if ZOS suddenly introduce an NPC wearing BDUs and brandishing an M16

Are you referencing that photo-realisting Arnold Schwarzenegger follower mod for Skyrim where he lugs around a gun bigger than he is tall?

In all seriousness it's good for older players to be able to pick out oddball references. How many people paid attention to meeting a bright eyed doey teenage Elenwen in Auridon (Thalmor *** from Skyrim), or the little gag with the beetle tamer at the circus when he says "Do your impression of the Dwarves!"

It's unfortunate though when there are so many players who in a unceasing quest to exhaust all available content overlook all these nice details, and they don't know how to appreciate the game then constantly whine about lack of depth or content.

AngryNord · October 2015

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To whine because something is or is not "lore friendly" doesnt mean the look of some clothing or armor,or weapon.

Sorry, but I still reserve the right to call it non-lore friendly if ZOS suddenly introduce an NPC wearing BDUs and brandishing an M16

Are you referencing that photo-realisting Arnold Schwarzenegger follower mod for Skyrim where he lugs around a gun bigger than he is tall?

I wasn't actually referring to a particular mod at all, it was just a wild example. Besides an M16 is about 100cm long, I think Arnie is taller than that :P

Rosveen · October 2015

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To whine because something is or is not "lore friendly" doesnt mean the look of some clothing or armor,or weapon.

Sorry, but I still reserve the right to call it non-lore friendly if ZOS suddenly introduce an NPC wearing BDUs and brandishing an M16

Are you referencing that photo-realisting Arnold Schwarzenegger follower mod for Skyrim where he lugs around a gun bigger than he is tall?

In all seriousness it's good for older players to be able to pick out oddball references. How many people paid attention to meeting a bright eyed doey teenage Elenwen in Auridon (Thalmor *** from Skyrim), or the little gag with the beetle tamer at the circus when he says "Do your impression of the Dwarves!"

It's unfortunate though when there are so many players who in a unceasing quest to exhaust all available content overlook all these nice details, and they don't know how to appreciate the game then constantly whine about lack of depth or content.

I'm not convinced this is the same Elenwen. It would make her almost 1000 years old, which isn't impossible, but still... I don't remember this quest very well, is there any evidence it's her other than her name (which doesn't really prove anything)?

Anyway, since when are Skyrim references for "older players"?

nordsavage · October 2015

UESP.net all day.

Keepercraft · October 2015

Only one big thing keeping me playing that game, lore.

AngryNord · October 2015

nordsavage wrote: »

UESP.net all day.

This

Birdovic · October 2015

I maybe started with Daggerfall, but got "really" in love trough Morrowind. Thats the reason I always and forever play Dunmers, I just love their lore(Which is the reason I HATE IT when people tell me to play Altmer because better for sorc and blah, dont care!)

Also the whole mistery about the Dwemer, which is connected to the Dunmer/Chimer alot. I still hope for TES VI to reveal the true reason for their disappearing and what exactly happened on Red Mountain (Im not happy just with theories like Dragon Break, I need truth...even if it turns out to be true

)

I even know all the NPC's dialogues by heart, when starting a new game

Oh and Jiub, I love this cliffracer hunting hero

EDIT: Time to reinstall Morrowind
EDIT 2: Already installed yay

Thanks for the topic and the nostalgia

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To whine because something is or is not "lore friendly" doesnt mean the look of some clothing or armor,or weapon.

Sorry, but I still reserve the right to call it non-lore friendly if ZOS suddenly introduce an NPC wearing BDUs and brandishing an M16

Are you referencing that photo-realisting Arnold Schwarzenegger follower mod for Skyrim where he lugs around a gun bigger than he is tall?

In all seriousness it's good for older players to be able to pick out oddball references. How many people paid attention to meeting a bright eyed doey teenage Elenwen in Auridon (Thalmor *** from Skyrim), or the little gag with the beetle tamer at the circus when he says "Do your impression of the Dwarves!"

It's unfortunate though when there are so many players who in a unceasing quest to exhaust all available content overlook all these nice details, and they don't know how to appreciate the game then constantly whine about lack of depth or content.

I'm not convinced this is the same Elenwen. It would make her almost 1000 years old, which isn't impossible, but still... I don't remember this quest very well, is there any evidence it's her other than her name (which doesn't really prove anything)?

Anyway, since when are Skyrim references for "older players"?

I'm almost fairly certain she's voiced by the same actor who did the role in Skyrim, and at the end of the quest you hear the subtle hardness in her voice that is so reminiscent of her role in the Thalmor. (quite ironic since her father was a member of the Veiled Heritance, a imperialistic expansionist hate group, and 1000 years later she joins the 4th era Thalmor, an imperialistic expansionist hate group...)

Considering how long-lived Altmer can be, its entirely possible she's the same woman. Vanus Galerion I think is over 3000 years old as of the Interregnum.

UrQuan · October 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Firstly,OP isnt a 'he',..he's a 'she',and secondly I certainly never said I was a scholar of anything. And I didnt read Skyrim stuff.What I did read was almost every book I found in Morrowind.I dont remember it all either.lol.But then,I dont try to cast out the dates of every war to correct someone,nor do I go and correct every bad spelling of words like Nereverine,or Vvardenfell. Nvererine,or Vdardenfell arent correct,but I dont correct them.So,I am not a ES snob,nor a scholar.Just someone who loves the entire set of games.

I'd consider myself a lore junkie, and I'll correct people or clarify points they make, but generally only if it's relevant to the discussion or as an aside. I'm not so good with dates though (maybe people think that's weird for someone who was a History major in university, but I've never been good with dates - I've always been good with understanding what events led to other events and how they're related, but not so much with actual dates), and I often spell names wrong, so I don't tend to correct people on those, because I'm often unsure of them myself. Heck, even when I know a name is spelled wrong, I'll usually only comment on it if it's spelled wrong in some sort of amusing way

UrQuan · October 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To whine because something is or is not "lore friendly" doesnt mean the look of some clothing or armor,or weapon.

Sorry, but I still reserve the right to call it non-lore friendly if ZOS suddenly introduce an NPC wearing BDUs and brandishing an M16

Are you referencing that photo-realisting Arnold Schwarzenegger follower mod for Skyrim where he lugs around a gun bigger than he is tall?

I wasn't actually referring to a particular mod at all, it was just a wild example. Besides an M16 is about 100cm long, I think Arnie is taller than that :P

You may think so, but have you ever actually met him in person? They can do all kinds of things with forced perspective in movies and photos

Ghrimn · October 2015

@WarrioroftheWind_ESO
Even though Mer live longer than Man, they do not live as long as you think. The natural lifespan of Mer is around 500 years, anything longer than that is probably prolonged by magic.

Birdovic · October 2015

Ghrimn wrote: »

@WarrioroftheWind_ESO
Even though Mer live longer than Man, they do not live as long as you think. The natural lifespan of Mer is around 500 years, anything longer than that is probably prolonged by magic.

Divayth Fyr

Rosveen · October 2015

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Ghrimn wrote: »

@WarrioroftheWind_ESO
Even though Mer live longer than Man, they do not live as long as you think. The natural lifespan of Mer is around 500 years, anything longer than that is probably prolonged by magic.

Divayth Fyr

"Anything longer than that is probably prolonged by magic."

Seriously, why do people always bring up Divayth Fyr when he's clearly an extremely unusual case and one of the oldest mortals ever known in Tamriel? Ordinary mer can't hope to reach even a quarter of his lifespan.

Elenwen though, she's a sorceress and probably a skilled one given her position, but she was never described as one of the most powerful mages. I'm not saying it can't be her, I'm just not going to assume it is only because she shares a name with a character from Skyrim. There's an Elenwen in Morrowind too and nobody argues it's the same person. That VA clue is more interesting if it's true.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Considering how long-lived Altmer can be, its entirely possible she's the same woman. Vanus Galerion I think is over 3000 years old as of the Interregnum.

Vanus was born in early Second Era, so he's only a few centuries old.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · October 2015

Ghrimn wrote: »

@WarrioroftheWind_ESO
Even though Mer live longer than Man, they do not live as long as you think. The natural lifespan of Mer is around 500 years, anything longer than that is probably prolonged by magic.

She is classified as a sorcerer in Skyrim. Considering majority Altmer have an affinity to magicka, she could'dve used her arts to extend her life a number of times. Allegedly Mistress Dratha is over 2k years old though use of necromancy, but thats considered standard for Telvanni wizards. Though someone did bring up a point that the name cropped up in Morrowind as well and was a completely different person. The name could be common, but it still feels like the same woman in ESO and Skyrim. The voice sounded unique, not like the standard vo for Altmer females.

I went ahead and looked it up on the chara page, and there's a little note that says she is featured in ESO, but the link the the VA credits list doesn't seem to want to load. It sounds an awful lot like her tho.

Volkodav · October 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Or he can try to explain what "Fishy stick" is cause you have to be a pretty die hard fan boy or lore freak to know that inside joke.

The fishy stick should be considered forum lore rather than TES lore, I think. Explaining sweetrolls might be a better exercise.

Fishy Sticks are from past ES games.Not the forums or ESO.I remember them in Morrowind.Well,the funny references anyway.

Nope. Fishy sticks were probably the first Bethesda official forum meme. They were invented by Captain Eldrad to reward people who seemed like a positive contribution to the community . It later became a tradition to welcome new members with a fishy stick. The devs were amused and commemorated fishy stick in their games. There's a reason why Morrowind's reference is "The Capn's Guide to the Fishy Stick"

As I said,I remember the reference in Morrowind.I didnt say who invented them. I just mentioned the book.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · October 2015

There have been countless conflicts in the ES series but one thing you must not forget is this simple truth......History is written by the victors not the losers, everything the losers have done would be erased from history and only the feats of the victors would be recorded and that is the lore you know but it is indeed no secret that many of those who write history would try to hide their failures and and inturn hide the real truth..so theirfor ES lore is sketchy and full of plotholes.

Volkodav · October 2015

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

There have been countless conflicts in the ES series but one thing you must not forget is this simple truth......History is written by the victors not the losers, everything the losers have done would be erased from history and only the feats of the victors would be recorded and that is the lore you know but it is indeed no secret that many of those who write history would try to hide their failures and and inturn hide the real truth..so theirfor ES lore is sketchy and full of plotholes.

Huh? What's that got to do with it? Sounds like WWII and the Allies writing history to fit their version of the war.

Birdovic · October 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Ghrimn wrote: »

@WarrioroftheWind_ESO
Even though Mer live longer than Man, they do not live as long as you think. The natural lifespan of Mer is around 500 years, anything longer than that is probably prolonged by magic.

Divayth Fyr

"Anything longer than that is probably prolonged by magic."

Seriously, why do people always bring up Divayth Fyr when he's clearly an extremely unusual case and one of the oldest mortals ever known in Tamriel? Ordinary mer can't hope to reach even a quarter of his lifespan.

Elenwen though, she's a sorceress and probably a skilled one given her position, but she was never described as one of the most powerful mages. I'm not saying it can't be her, I'm just not going to assume it is only because she shares a name with a character from Skyrim. There's an Elenwen in Morrowind too and nobody argues it's the same person. That VA clue is more interesting if it's true.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Considering how long-lived Altmer can be, its entirely possible she's the same woman. Vanus Galerion I think is over 3000 years old as of the Interregnum.

Vanus was born in early Second Era, so he's only a few centuries old.

Whats wrong with you lol, just mentioned him As response to The "prolonged by magic" Part

Ghrimn · October 2015

@andypappb16_ESO
In Rosveen's defense I do have to say that your comment wasn't that easily understood... Since you only wrote "Divayth Fyr

" it wasn't possible to determine whether you agreed with me or not.

Enodoc · October 2015

nordsavage wrote: »

UESP.net all day.

Have you been looking at my internet history?