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How come so few people roll(ed) DC?

IKilled007
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I am just curious as to why most players roll(ed) EP, followed by AD, with a small minority rolling DC. Is it something in the lore? Something to do with the previous games in the Elder Scrolls series? Is it the races (and maybe their passives)? Is the geography (are the zones better in EP, are the quests more fun)? It seems that in Cyrodiil, on every campaign or almost every campaign, DC is vastly outnumbered most of the time, with maybe to to three hours where they're pop-locked with the other two factions also pop-locked.

Any theories?

The only substitute for victory is overkill.
  • Kalfis
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    People find DC to be "boring" just because the races seem generic to them.

    The irony is real since Elf's and Tall Nordic people are generic as they come.

    Also EP was always going to be the most populated because Skyrim/Morrowind.
    Edited by Kalfis on October 20, 2015 7:22PM
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    Many people roll EP because Skyrim
    Many people roll AD because Altmer, Thalmor and all
    Less people roll DC because less known and less popular races.
    But quality wise, they're the best :-)
    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on October 20, 2015 7:22PM
  • IKilled007
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    Kalfis wrote: »
    People find DC to be "boring" just because the races seem generic to them.

    The irony is real since Elf's and Tall Nordic people are just as generic.

    Also EP was always going to be the most populated because Skyrim/Morrowind.

    OK, so it does mostly have to do with the familiarity from the previous games?
    The only substitute for victory is overkill.
  • IKilled007
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    Many people roll EP because Skyrim
    Many people roll AD because Altmer, Thalmor and all
    Less people roll DC because less known and less popular races.
    But quality wise, they're the best :-)

    Ok, I figured it was something like this. I wish I had played the other games first, so I wouldn't have made the mistake of rolling DC.
    The only substitute for victory is overkill.
  • Kalfis
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    IKilled007 wrote: »
    Kalfis wrote: »
    People find DC to be "boring" just because the races seem generic to them.

    The irony is real since Elf's and Tall Nordic people are just as generic.

    Also EP was always going to be the most populated because Skyrim/Morrowind.

    OK, so it does mostly have to do with the familiarity from the previous games?

    Yeah. Skyrim fans saw Nords and Eastmarch/The Rift and were all over EP.
    Morrowind fans saw the Dunmer/Argonians and Morrowind and were all over EP.

    Daggerfall is a very old game barely anyone played compared to the recent Elder Scrolls games.

    The AD region(forgot the name) has never been featured in an Elder Scrolls game before(to my knowledge), so a lot of people were interested in AD because of that.
    Edited by Kalfis on October 20, 2015 7:27PM
  • Cadbury
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    IKilled007 wrote: »
    Kalfis wrote: »
    People find DC to be "boring" just because the races seem generic to them.

    The irony is real since Elf's and Tall Nordic people are just as generic.

    Also EP was always going to be the most populated because Skyrim/Morrowind.

    OK, so it does mostly have to do with the familiarity from the previous games?

    Pretty much. EP brings with it alot of nostalgia for those who played Skyrim and/or Morrowind
    AD is second due to the appeal of elves and kitties
    DC is third mostly because people consider the DC races to be generic fantasy tropes (just what a couple players told me)
    "If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."
  • CN_Daniel
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    Basically, when turning the game on, it should read like this:

    Easy Mode -- EP
    Normal Mode -- AD
    Hard Mode -- DC


    Those with the courage choose blue.
  • Moonshadow66
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    Indeed I think the reason is the previous ES games that EP is so popular. I have 7 EP characters myself, for the same reason :)
    However, I loved rolling my only DC character, so I got to play the EP zones as gold zones which feels VERY different than playing them at low level. Also, it was so empty there, often I was the only one in the banks (yeah, even Mournhold or Davon's Watch!), the world was mine^^
    What I also love about being on with my DC character is: Belkarth is much more quiet than it is for EP characters. And as odd as it sounds, the other players in zone chat seem to be a lot nicer than EP players. Mostly, at least.

    Venus Ocean - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Gixia - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
    Frances Demnevanni - Breton Dragonknight VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Raygee - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
    Lady Olivieri - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Donna Demnevanni - Breton Templar VR16, DC, Tamriel Hero
    Elaine Benes - Breton Templar VR16, EP | Ray McCluck - Breton Sorcerer VR16, EP
    Moonshadow Demnevanni - Dunmer Dragonknight Lvl 50, EP | Jamie Stacey - Redguard Templar Lvl 50, EP
    Caia Cosades - Imperial Nightblade, EP

  • Asherons_Call
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    IKilled007 wrote: »
    I am just curious as to why most players roll(ed) EP, followed by AD, with a small minority rolling DC. Is it something in the lore? Something to do with the previous games in the Elder Scrolls series? Is it the races (and maybe their passives)? Is the geography (are the zones better in EP, are the quests more fun)? It seems that in Cyrodiil, on every campaign or almost every campaign, DC is vastly outnumbered most of the time, with maybe to to three hours where they're pop-locked with the other two factions also pop-locked.

    Any theories?

    Because Angier Stower's voice saying "WELCOME TO THE BANK OF DAGGERFALL" over and over in your brain wears at you after a while
  • Scyantific
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    IKilled007 wrote: »
    I am just curious as to why most players roll(ed) EP, followed by AD, with a small minority rolling DC. Is it something in the lore? Something to do with the previous games in the Elder Scrolls series? Is it the races (and maybe their passives)? Is the geography (are the zones better in EP, are the quests more fun)? It seems that in Cyrodiil, on every campaign or almost every campaign, DC is vastly outnumbered most of the time, with maybe to to three hours where they're pop-locked with the other two factions also pop-locked.

    Any theories?

    Because Angier Stower's voice saying "WELCOME TO THE BANK OF DAGGERFALL" over and over in your brain wears at you after a while
    Trust me, it was FAR worse at launch.
  • Kwivur
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    NPK Daniel wrote: »
    Basically, when turning the game on, it should read like this:

    Easy Mode -- EP
    Normal Mode -- AD
    Hard Mode -- DC


    Those with the courage choose blue.

    DC FOR LIFE!!
  • s7732425ub17_ESO
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    DC has, by far, the best looking zones.
  • ontheleftcoast
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    NPK Daniel wrote: »
    Basically, when turning the game on, it should read like this:

    Easy Mode -- EP
    Normal Mode -- AD
    Hard Mode -- DC

    Those with the courage choose blue.

    I've tried playing all three factions and while I might switch AD/EP around I agree that DC is the hardest. Look at the races, Orc, Bretons, and Redguard. Only one of those is a "magicka friendly" race, the others are stamina. And while stamina builds are fun to play without the easy access to self-heals they're a lot tougher.

    EP has Argonians and Nords which both have lame racial passives so I put them in second. But AD has both stealthy Bosmers and Khajiit and the massive magicka boost to Altmers. So I consider them the easiest faction by far.
  • Asherons_Call
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    NPK Daniel wrote: »
    Basically, when turning the game on, it should read like this:

    Easy Mode -- EP
    Normal Mode -- AD
    Hard Mode -- DC


    Those with the courage choose blue.

    Really? From what I've seen with the exception of the scenery they're all the same. I think the reason Ebonheart is so populated is because of skyrim and their smelly drunken nords
  • Kwivur
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    NPK Daniel wrote: »
    Basically, when turning the game on, it should read like this:

    Easy Mode -- EP
    Normal Mode -- AD
    Hard Mode -- DC

    Those with the courage choose blue.

    I've tried playing all three factions and while I might switch AD/EP around I agree that DC is the hardest. Look at the races, Orc, Bretons, and Redguard. Only one of those is a "magicka friendly" race, the others are stamina. And while stamina builds are fun to play without the easy access to self-heals they're a lot tougher.

    EP has Argonians and Nords which both have lame racial passives so I put them in second. But AD has both stealthy Bosmers and Khajiit and the massive magicka boost to Altmers. So I consider them the easiest faction by far.

    DC FOR LIFE!!!
  • eliisra
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    No. It depends on what megaserver+platform you play.

    Contrary to popular beliefs, not everyone here play NA PC/Mac. DC isn't always the underdog.

    DC is for example the most active faction in PvP on PC EU. Been that way since 1.6. They often control 3-4 maps + have emp+ all scrolls, while AD or EP cant seem to hold onto a single map.

    It's not a question of lore or races. More about what alliance currently has the most active PvP guild + nice and big community and good leaders that encourages players to partake in Cyrodiil fights. That's what make one faction more popular.
  • Nova Sky
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    When I first played ESO on the PC/Mac, I strongly suspected that the Daggerfall Covenant would wind up being the least-popular faction and, thus, more lightly populated.

    So I signed up for it. What can I say? I like the challenge of being a member of the DC.

    When the PS4 version of ESO came out, I had my character(s) copied over to the console, where the majority of my ESO time is now spent. Once there, my console-side guild all went into DC, per my advice. There we've remained — Better Hide or Die — and there we've prospered.

    *shrug* Maybe at some point I will roll a toon in another faction, but it's not a priority right now.
    "Wheresoever you go, go with all of your heart."
  • Kwivur
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    Nova Sky wrote: »
    When I first played ESO on the PC/Mac, I strongly suspected that the Daggerfall Covenant would wind up being the least-popular faction and, thus, more lightly populated.

    So I signed up for it. What can I say? I like the challenge of being a member of the DC.

    When the PS4 version of ESO came out, I had my character(s) copied over to the console, where the majority of my ESO time is now spent. Once there, my console-side guild all went into DC, per my advice. There we've remained — Better Hide or Die — and there we've prospered.

    *shrug* Maybe at some point I will roll a toon in another faction, but it's not a priority right now.

    DC FOR LIFE!!!!
  • stevenbennett_ESO
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    I think the starting zone might have had something to do with it, too. Khenarthi's Roost is by far my favorite, followed closely with Bleakrock Isle (EP). Stros M'Kai / Betnikh (DC), on the other hand, seem much less interesting visually to me, although it's then followed up with Glenumbra which I liked a lot more than, say, Bal Foyen or Stonefalls (EP).

    The races never made a big deal for me because I always had the deluxe edition, and could thus play any race.

    Having played through all three alliances from the start, though, I honestly have to say that the Daggerfall Covenant storyline and NPCs are probably the best of the three, with the Aldmeri coming a close second, and the Ebonheart Pact a distant third.

    Which brings up a thought -- perhaps there's not quite the disparity in numbers that you think. It might be that people who stuck with DC might be more story-oriented PvE players and are less likely to show up in the PvP numbers (the ONLY metric we have for comparing populations in the three alliances), compared with people who are Ebonheart who might be more interested in PvP and less in the story. I *do* seem to always see a LOT more players crowded around in the various DC banks than I do in any of the EP or AD banks...
  • Cadbury
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    I rolled DC and picked one of the least popular races: Orc
    Orc because that's what I played in the past 3 ES games ; DC because I never played Daggerfall before :)
    "If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."
  • wayfarerx
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    Originally I was going to go DC all the way, Bretons are my favorite race and my first main was a DC DK.

    Then I met the quivering, self-conscious pile of weakness that is King Emeric and I defected to AD as quickly as possible. For the Queen!
    @wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion
  • Gern_Verkheart
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    So few?! Have you been in Cyrodiil on Azura? DC always has 3 full zergs minimum. They have so many players in there that they lag out the server.
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    NPK Daniel wrote: »
    Basically, when turning the game on, it should read like this:

    Easy Mode -- EP
    Normal Mode -- AD
    Hard Mode -- DC


    Those with the courage choose blue.

    This isn't really true. When I first started the game I considered which faction would be my main one. At this point I regret not just picking one faction and sticking with it, but that's another story. I chose AD primarily because I had never seen the Altmer/Bosmer/Khajiit locations in previous TES games and I really didn't care about races since I got the imperial pack and played whatever I felt like playing. I know I'm not alone in this perspective. I actually thought EP and DC were going to be the most popular factions. DC has Bretons, Redgards and Orcs have always been pretty strong races in the series and I assumed that this faction would be more easily relatable to people. EP has the popularity of Skyrim, Oblivion (Yes a smidge of Skyrim was even in this game at Cloud Ruler temple) and Morrowind to fall back on, as well as the popularity of the Nord/Dunmer races. I should have realized that AD would be popular: BECAUSE ELVES. The irony is I slightly loathe the elves in the TES series, but its a love to hate kind of thing. The elves are very alien in mindset as well as action, which make them interesting but also less relatable. The depravity of the elves as a whole is stunning, from the Dwemer, to the Dunmer, to the Ayleids, and even to the Altmer and headhunting Bosmer. The only elves I almost like are the Orcs, and they aren't really considered Elves by most of their own kind anymore.

    Looking back I wish I had chosen blue, in large part because you know that you'll always have a fight being the underdog. I've invested too much in my AD-side characters though, both in terms of relationships as well as character development. It wouldn't even be worth sideswitching even if I could get more character slots (or the ability to change sides).
    US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
    US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
    US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
    US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
    US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
    US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
    EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
    EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
    <And plenty more>
  • Nestor
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    I have mains in all 3 Alliances. I can't say that any one alliance has the edge over another in any real aspect of the game.
    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • Paazhahdrimaak
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    I see most people who have never played another elder scrolls game like the DC, it's more fimillar to them, while the real fans want to see morrowind again or explore the Summerset Isles. Sees like the kids and newbies like daggerfall. Just my opinion.
  • Alucardo
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    Not sure what you mean. I have 8 DC characters
  • Tryxus
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    But the DC shenanigans are cheeky and fun
    The AD and EP shenanigans are cruel and tragic...

    ...which makes them not shenanigans at all really

    *evil shenanigans* o.o
    "Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
    Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU
  • Elder_III
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    At launch it seemed AD was the most popular by a fair bit, which I attribute to Kate Beckinsale, realms previously unseen in TES games, and a bunch of high profile games and reviewers choosing it.

    EP was middle at that time and has come to be the most populated, which is pretty easy to attribute to the huge popularity of Skyrim and a significant amount of Nostalgia for Morrowind (mostly from gamers 30+).

    DC never really had anything of that level of importance to make people choose it, and has lagged behind on population from the beginning. It also seems that a significant % of DC's population is very PvE oriented and/or middle aged (or older).
    Semi retired from the trading aspects of the game.
  • SamRothstein
    I like to play as a human and the Nord was most human. When i made my character I had no clue that's there are three separate main quest campaigns.
  • Kwivur
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Not sure what you mean. I have 8 DC characters

    DC FOR LIFE!!!!
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