So cloak is to be nerfed, what's next?

CP5 · October 2015

Still find it funny that ZOS so much as hints at the idea that they may look at cloak to tweak it, and the fireworks are still going off. If they mentioned they were nerfing streak again sorcs would say "why again" for perhaps a day, with maybe a day or two of others justifying the nerf then nothing. But when its about nightblades...

heystreethawk · October 2015

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Tannakaobi I'll give you credit for stating you fought for us DKs but the cloak needs a nerf when it comes to "Holds" like talons. I've talon'd a NB and all he/she does is spam cloak while talon'd; the issue is that I cannot hit nightblades while they're talon'd in cloak.

Fiery Breath, Cinder Storm, Draw Essence, Volatile Armor. Just going with class skills here. If they were spamming purge, you'd have a lot more trouble.

reften · October 2015

cloak was broke for over a year. So they finally fix it, and now they're working on a nerf.

Gotta love this game

FuzzyDuck79 · October 2015

reften wrote: »

cloak was broke for over a year. So they finally fix it, and now they're working on a nerf.

Gotta love this game

They fixed it? When was that because I'm still having issues with it?

Junglejim82 · October 2015

CP5 wrote: »

Still find it funny that ZOS so much as hints at the idea that they may look at cloak to tweak it, and the fireworks are still going off. If they mentioned they were nerfing streak again sorcs would say "why again" for perhaps a day, with maybe a day or two of others justifying the nerf then nothing. But when its about nightblades...

Yknow what , think you're onto something here . It's those pesky NBS again . It's like they have a racial commitment to complaining . Wish they were a master race like those quiet , honourable sorcerers .

CP5 · October 2015

reften wrote: »

cloak was broke for over a year. So they finally fix it, and now they're working on a nerf.

Gotta love this game

Because a skill being broke, then being found op when fixed has never been a thing (hint, scales, /hint).

WaTeR-aBuSeR · October 2015

If only there were cooldowns, then there wouldn't be so many nerfs but nope. Keep spamming that cloak/streak and run then say your good at pvp lolols.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · October 2015

"Dear zeni, pls nerf rock, paper is fine.
Sincerely, scissors"

neueregel · October 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

I cant stay perma cloaked... what about us stam NB that dont have much more than 10k Magicka? I am lucky to cloak 5 times if I can... that is a whopping 12.5 seconds... I hardly call that permanently...

Wollust · October 2015

I don't care anymore about whatever nerf they put in place as of now. I have given up on the noobs that cry as soon as they notice they are no special snowflakes, just not good enough and feel the need to express it by calling for nerfs. ZOS will cater to them, simply because the ZOS devs themselves are part of the l2p community and have not a single clue about balancing or anything else.
I can't be asked to struggle anymore with my classes. I'll just play whatever seems to be working halfway in the future in PVP.
Even though that future is limited till CU is out.

AhPook_Is_Here · October 2015

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

"Dear zeni, pls nerf rock, paper is fine.
Sincerely, scissors"

This is cute, since Sorcs were NBs rock, and look who was nerfed before this in exactly the same way that they are proposing nerfing cloak? I'd call that ironic if it was, but it isn't.

Waffennacht · October 2015

To the people screaming you can't perma cloak...

You don't need to he in cloak 24/7, in deed, most NB only use cloak in combat, not to run but to attack.

You spam you're attacks, cloak to counter any targets, Dots, etc and to boost the next attack, which comes in a matter of seconds.

Typically a Vet 16 stam NB will only cloak a few times (2 or 3) before their opponent is dead.

Stop acting like you use cloak to sneak around or are in it for any true amount of time.

In example, it's a way of protecting yourself while you cast WB.

Tholian1 · October 2015

If cloak gets a nerf, then NBs will need a huge buff in other areas. PvE NB players are going to have it rough if they can no longer sneak past mobs that certain other classes can handle with ease. We don't have the weapon power unless we are attacking from stealth and healing is tough.

Van_0S · October 2015

Sav72 wrote: »

1.Simple fix, stop the nerfs.

2.Keep classes. Each class will have plus to traits, buffs etc. Like racial traits.

3.Give players the option to spec in any skill ability they want. DK, Sorc Temp or NB tree.

4.Skill ability power or effectiveness will be affected by what class you pick.

5.No more reason for nerfs, every thing now is balanced.

6.The Championship system is an example to this.

7.This game is gorgeous, they just need to add a little more common sense.

1.Not gonna happen.
2.Not gonna happen.
3.Not gonna happen.
4.Not gonna happen.
5.Not gonna happen.
6.Cp cap exists for the new players to ditch this game.
7.Hahaha!!!, common sense ? Seriously, this game is all about grinding.

Waffennacht · October 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

1.Simple fix, stop the nerfs.

2.Keep classes. Each class will have plus to traits, buffs etc. Like racial traits.

3.Give players the option to spec in any skill ability they want. DK, Sorc Temp or NB tree.

4.Skill ability power or effectiveness will be affected by what class you pick.

5.No more reason for nerfs, every thing now is balanced.

6.The Championship system is an example to this.

7.This game is gorgeous, they just need to add a little more common sense.

1.Not gonna happen.
2.Not gonna happen.
3.Not gonna happen.
4.Not gonna happen.
5.Not gonna happen.
6.Cp cap exists for the new players to ditch this game.
7.Hahaha!!!, common sense ? Seriously, this game is all about grinding.

Never truly understood the grinding comments. Just me but i dunno still have 2/3 quests left etc...

Do you guys feel you need to cloak 4 times in one battle? Every nerf cloak suggestion says nothing about cloaking once or twice. Its the third, fourth and fifth time you cloak is where it gets stupid.

Just like bolt, the first two uses really have no negatives, after that its costly, we suggest the same for cloak.

I feel two cloaks per battle is just fine, more than enough to escape (like so many NBs claim to use it as...) and more than enough to give you the damage advantage (which is how its really used) without getting stupid.

OrphanHelgen · October 2015

dont nerf nb.
just buff everything else.
problem solved.

give DK a detect skill

Tannakaobi · October 2015

CP5 wrote: »

Do you guys feel you need to cloak 4 times in one battle? Every nerf cloak suggestion says nothing about cloaking once or twice. Its the third, fourth and fifth time you cloak is where it gets stupid.

Just like bolt, the first two uses really have no negatives, after that its costly, we suggest the same for cloak.

I feel two cloaks per battle is just fine, more than enough to escape (like so many NBs claim to use it as...) and more than enough to give you the damage advantage (which is how its really used) without getting stupid.

You realise that the ethos of ESO is 'play the way you choose' and here you are telling people how to play.

I can tell you that any hand to hand magic Nightblade uses cloak much more than once or twice and it's not to run and hide. It's to attack, it is our defence because we are wearing light armor. Unlike other Light armor characters we don't stay in the distance where it's safe.

When people want Nightblades to be nerfed I'm not even sure they know what they want to be nerfed. I've seen so many varying opinions on it. Most don't even seem to know if it's the stamina or magicka type of Nightblade. Some people have suggested that actually it's wrecking blow, others don't like that people can be invisible. Some think it's Mass Hysteria, others think it's Ambush.

Geez!

Sureshawt · October 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

^ This.

To compare a purely defensive/evasive maneuver with one that provides amazing offensive AND defensive capabilities is just ludicrous.

I believe this game is just coming down to a popularity contest as most forum warriors agitate for what helps their favored class the most and not what is best for a diverse game.

Anymore nerfs to ANY class at this point and I cancel my subscription. Focus should be on fixing skills and/or buffing counters if necessary.

reften · October 2015

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

dont nerf nb.
just buff everything else.
problem solved.

give DK a detect skill

Everyone has a detect skill. It's called AoE attacks.

OrphanHelgen · October 2015

reften wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

dont nerf nb.
just buff everything else.
problem solved.

give DK a detect skill

Everyone has a detect skill. It's called AoE attacks.

You are right. I have start using aoe spam on nb's more often lately.
What I ment tho, was a skill that prevented them to enter stealth for a couple of seconds. But nvm that, I want nb to have invis skill, no problem on that part.

What I feel are OP with NB, is the other things. They have easy acces to all nescesary buffs, like major brutality/sorcery, major defile debuf, the movespeed.. they have a cleanse skill in the cloak as well (is cleanse for correct?), the have dodge chance, empower, you name it, easy access. Best gap closer in game, scales both magicka or stamina. This one reach more then other gap closers. If you compare how many skills from class a nb uses compared to other classes, nb have the most class skills slotted. maybe a magicka templar also, but you see my point

I dont say NB are too strong, I say maybe a DK are too weak.
I have vr16 nb, dk and sorc btw.

AhPook_Is_Here · October 2015

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

reften wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

dont nerf nb.
just buff everything else.
problem solved.

give DK a detect skill

Everyone has a detect skill. It's called AoE attacks.

You are right. I have start using aoe spam on nb's more often lately.
What I ment tho, was a skill that prevented them to enter stealth for a couple of seconds. But nvm that, I want nb to have invis skill, no problem on that part.

What I feel are OP with NB, is the other things. They have easy acces to all nescesary buffs, like major brutality/sorcery, major defile debuf, the movespeed.. they have a cleanse skill in the cloak as well (is cleanse for correct?), the have dodge chance, empower, you name it, easy access. Best gap closer in game, scales both magicka or stamina. This one reach more then other gap closers. If you compare how many skills from class a nb uses compared to other classes, nb have the most class skills slotted. maybe a magicka templar also, but you see my point
I dont say NB are too strong, I say maybe a DK are too weak.
I have vr16 nb, dk and sorc btw.

Nightblades have a skill like that already called Piercing Mark. It prevents a target from stealthing for 30 seconds

catalyst10e · October 2015

The nerf is coming. Thats the bottom line. It's not set in stone as to when its going to happen but it will. I'd suggest NB get on board with accepting that fact and instead of crying, claiming its the only defense, and relisting all the "counters" to it.... you open the dialog for what would be acceptable terms for a nerf for ZOS hears your side. If your argument is just "don't" its going to fall of deaf ears. If you were to say "Ok you can take away magicka regen, and enable single target abilities to still hit while cloaked, but in return we want an extra 2 seconds of cloak" it'll at least appear more constructive.

If your entire character build breaks because 1 skill gets nerfed, it was probably OP. If Cloak at least gets a minor nerf, the masses are appeased, and you take your place at the back of line for the next run of nerfs to come.

Tholian1 · October 2015

catalyst10e wrote: »

The nerf is coming. Thats the bottom line. It's not set in stone as to when its going to happen but it will. I'd suggest NB get on board with accepting that fact and instead of crying, claiming its the only defense, and relisting all the "counters" to it.... you open the dialog for what would be acceptable terms for a nerf for ZOS hears your side. If your argument is just "don't" its going to fall of deaf ears. If you were to say "Ok you can take away magicka regen, and enable single target abilities to still hit while cloaked, but in return we want an extra 2 seconds of cloak" it'll at least appear more constructive.

If your entire character build breaks because 1 skill gets nerfed, it was probably OP. If Cloak at least gets a minor nerf, the masses are appeased, and you take your place at the back of line for the next run of nerfs to come.

As long as the nerf comes with a buff to damage mitigation, weapon damage out of stealth and a good class heal, then I am fine with it. I also wouldn't mind for PvE content to be face rolling easy for NBs without needing cloak like other classes enjoy.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Templar's are the underdog, we'll get a buff.

Get owned, NB's.

CP5 · October 2015

catalyst10e wrote: »

The nerf is coming. Thats the bottom line. It's not set in stone as to when its going to happen but it will. I'd suggest NB get on board with accepting that fact and instead of crying, claiming its the only defense, and relisting all the "counters" to it.... you open the dialog for what would be acceptable terms for a nerf for ZOS hears your side. If your argument is just "don't" its going to fall of deaf ears. If you were to say "Ok you can take away magicka regen, and enable single target abilities to still hit while cloaked, but in return we want an extra 2 seconds of cloak" it'll at least appear more constructive.

If your entire character build breaks because 1 skill gets nerfed, it was probably OP. If Cloak at least gets a minor nerf, the masses are appeased, and you take your place at the back of line for the next run of nerfs to come.

You deserve a few more awesomes for that. As for @Tholian1, you do know nb's already have all of that, right? The damage mitigation comes from using any shadow ability to gain the major armor/spell resist buffs, you gain a higher crit rate and crits buff the damage of crits, and the class has nice heals. None that are press button -> get health, but some powerful ones, unless you want to show me a video of a sap-tank and say they did what they did without nb heals. Also, if you need cloak to get past pve content like other classes, it may be worth looking at all the class has to offer, and what all classes have access to first.

Sithisvoid · October 2015

I don't need cloak to wreck ppl. Take it completely if you want just leave me the part that removes dot

jelliedsoup · October 2015

I find it amazing that the streaking dps Sorcs is still the same given everything else is nerfed although the effort of the Sorcs to dispell this probably played a role.

Templar spam jabs and healing =win.

Next nerf please.

Tholian1 · October 2015

CP5 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

The nerf is coming. Thats the bottom line. It's not set in stone as to when its going to happen but it will. I'd suggest NB get on board with accepting that fact and instead of crying, claiming its the only defense, and relisting all the "counters" to it.... you open the dialog for what would be acceptable terms for a nerf for ZOS hears your side. If your argument is just "don't" its going to fall of deaf ears. If you were to say "Ok you can take away magicka regen, and enable single target abilities to still hit while cloaked, but in return we want an extra 2 seconds of cloak" it'll at least appear more constructive.

If your entire character build breaks because 1 skill gets nerfed, it was probably OP. If Cloak at least gets a minor nerf, the masses are appeased, and you take your place at the back of line for the next run of nerfs to come.

You deserve a few more awesomes for that. As for @Tholian1, you do know nb's already have all of that, right? The damage mitigation comes from using any shadow ability to gain the major armor/spell resist buffs, you gain a higher crit rate and crits buff the damage of crits, and the class has nice heals. None that are press button -> get health, but some powerful ones, unless you want to show me a video of a sap-tank and say they did what they did without nb heals. Also, if you need cloak to get past pve content like other classes, it may be worth looking at all the class has to offer, and what all classes have access to first.

The only shadow ability I have found use for with my stamina build is Dark Cloak. Our heals are dependent on kills. And the major brutality from sap essence is only at close range in the middle of a mob. My NB is a vampire so I do have to depend a lot on invigorating drain for most of my healing in PvE. But as you know, vampirism comes at a price.

My point was that I see other classes run throu PvE content like it is so easy, yet my NB can't do the same. Then these same classes complain how OP a NB is... It makes me shake my head.

CP5 · October 2015

Tholian1 wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

The nerf is coming. Thats the bottom line. It's not set in stone as to when its going to happen but it will. I'd suggest NB get on board with accepting that fact and instead of crying, claiming its the only defense, and relisting all the "counters" to it.... you open the dialog for what would be acceptable terms for a nerf for ZOS hears your side. If your argument is just "don't" its going to fall of deaf ears. If you were to say "Ok you can take away magicka regen, and enable single target abilities to still hit while cloaked, but in return we want an extra 2 seconds of cloak" it'll at least appear more constructive.

If your entire character build breaks because 1 skill gets nerfed, it was probably OP. If Cloak at least gets a minor nerf, the masses are appeased, and you take your place at the back of line for the next run of nerfs to come.

You deserve a few more awesomes for that. As for @Tholian1, you do know nb's already have all of that, right? The damage mitigation comes from using any shadow ability to gain the major armor/spell resist buffs, you gain a higher crit rate and crits buff the damage of crits, and the class has nice heals. None that are press button -> get health, but some powerful ones, unless you want to show me a video of a sap-tank and say they did what they did without nb heals. Also, if you need cloak to get past pve content like other classes, it may be worth looking at all the class has to offer, and what all classes have access to first.

The only shadow ability I have found use for with my stamina build is Dark Cloak. Our heals are dependent on kills. And the major brutality from sap essence is only at close range in the middle of a mob. My NB is a vampire so I do have to depend a lot on invigorating drain for most of my healing in PvE. But as you know, vampirism comes at a price.

My point was that I see other classes run throu PvE content like it is so easy, yet my NB can't do the same. Then these same classes complain how OP a NB is... It makes me shake my head.

You can't expect on build to excel in all areas, and those who do pve regularly know what they need to use to do it. What kind of builds have you tried in pve, since you mentioned you run a stamina build which weapons in general? Also from the shadow tree you haven't found surprise attack's armor debuff, or fear's aoe cc or the shade's debuffs as useful for these situations?

Dracane · October 2015

Great news, long needed adjustment. Where did you find this confirmation ? What are they going to do ?