So cloak is to be nerfed, what's next?

gen_reynard2050 · October 2015

Malmai wrote: »

Sorc needs balance...

Umad_BrO · October 2015

I am very happy to see nightblades getting nerfed and I am great at the game.
The only class that can take me out is a nightblade and they are in many players opinion the go to character for players that cannot really play the game....a cheat character so to speak.
Good riddance to them.

TequilaFire · October 2015

The answer is very simple nerf all the characters and the players just move on to some other game.
It is beyond ridiculous at this point not just this nerf.
And so @Umad_BrO now that no other class can take you out will it be your turn for a nerf?

Umad_BrO · October 2015

TequilaFire wrote: »

The answer is very simple nerf all the characters and the players just move on to some other game.
It is beyond ridiculous at this point not just this nerf.
And so @Umad_BrO now that no other class can take you out will it be your turn for a nerf?

If my class gets nerfed I can promise I won't be here crying no fair....

TequilaFire · October 2015

No just here rubbing it in to others, which is worse I wonder?

Umad_BrO · October 2015

TequilaFire wrote: »

No just here rubbing it in to others, which is worse I wonder?

Whats worse is you starting to troll this thread because you disagree with what I said.
grow up.

SeptimusDova · October 2015

Yes Nerf Nord,Nerf Argonians,Nerf High Snooty elves,Nerf,Low Snooty elves, Nerf the pooped out Elves,Nerf Imperial,Nerf Reguards,Nerf Mongrel Elves, Nerf Ogres.Oh and Nerf the dunmer elf people twice because Azura said to

The weapon and armor selection is so confusing. To many levels and so many skills. Zenimax plox set everything back to level three. And issue everyone the coldharbour weapons and soul shriven starting gear. Remove leveling and use only white attacks. No spells and get rid of the OP town guards.

Remove the level 10 requirement from Cyrodiil. And remove the CP system as well. Increase price to 500 USD for each DLC and make ESO plus 24.95 a Week.

And promote Gina to CEO-CFO and relegate the current guy to Janitor.

k2blader · October 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

^Here is a prime example of why I have no sympathy if cloak gets nerfed. Far too many like this. Gonna guess (s)he mains an NB.

dday3six · October 2015

Umad_BrO wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

No just here rubbing it in to others, which is worse I wonder?

Whats worse is you starting to troll this thread because you disagree with what I said.
grow up.

The irony of telling someone to "grow up" after your previous e-peen stroking post. Pot meet Kettle.

Sav72 · October 2015

Simple fix, stop the nerfs.

Keep classes. Each class will have plus to traits, buffs etc. Like racial traits.

Give players the option to spec in any skill ability they want. DK, Sorc Temp or NB tree.

Skill ability power or effectiveness will be affected by what class you pick.

No more reason for nerfs, every thing now is balanced.

The Championship system is an example to this.

This game is gorgeous, they just need to add a little more common sense.

tennant94 · October 2015

Can somebody tell or show me the cloak changes please.

TequilaFire · October 2015

Won't matter as much as some think to me as I use cloak sparingly mostly for the dot purge, with a stam build and Night Silence and my passives I can regular stealth all day not even using cloak and that is what I usually attack from.

Alucardo · October 2015

Can we just leave everything alone now? Jesus.

Jbugz97 · October 2015

i haven't seen any real info of this pls show actual facts about being change

G0ku · October 2015

Nightblades are annoying in pvp but that´s what they were designed for, annoyance. It the circle of nerf continues all classes will be the same at some point.

on the op:

my guess is wrecking blow will be the next thing to be nerfed

before templar gets a nerf they will fix the bugged skills just like the nightblade: first fix cloak after one year of bugging around and as soon as it works realise its too strong and nerf it

just don´t nerf it and revert the nerf on detection pots, problem solved

M_TeK_9 · October 2015

You're scared that all characters will be the same but considering the night blades are the best in PvP, you're going to have ecru one running around as the same character anyway.

Junkogen · October 2015

k2blader wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

^Here is a prime example of why I have no sympathy if cloak gets nerfed. Far too many like this. Gonna guess (s)he mains an NB.

Gonna guess (s)he mains a Sorc. No reasonable rebuttal, just snarky trolling.

Tankqull · October 2015

how to nerf cloak:

undo the changes to stealth detection pots and implement a stealth det+health+stamina pot

problem solved without the need of nerfing cloak itself.

tennant94 · October 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

You can't permanantly stay in cloak!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why skills are getting nerfed cos dumb ppl are saying dumb s***

vamp_emily · October 2015

[ angry reply ]

Leave my nightblade alone!

Tankqull · October 2015

tennant94 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

You can't permanantly stay in cloak!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why skills are getting nerfed cos dumb ppl are saying dumb s***

every magica NB can and most stamina blades can out side of combat aswell... (if not they are doing wrong and L2P in terms of gearing & CP spending)

Lettigall · October 2015

tennant94 wrote: »

Can somebody tell or show me the cloak changes please.

I think it's from month old post from Gina:

Hi everyone, thanks for all your feedback. We are looking at several options to limit the number of times Shadow Cloak can be cast in a row. However, unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make. One of the possibilities we're exploring is reducing your Magicka regeneration while Shadow Cloak is active.

Any change we make will be in a future update, though we don't have a solid time frame at this time.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2274406#Comment_2274406

Cloak changes aren't in Orsinium update, in fact it unknown when or if it happens at all but NBs acting like it's 100% confirmed doom of their class.

Tannakaobi · October 2015

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

You're scared that all characters will be the same but considering the night blades are the best in PvP, you're going to have ecru one running around as the same character anyway.

They are the best because the others were nerfed.

This was my point, they 'fixed' the overpowered DK and sorcerers by nerfing them rather than look at the real problem, which was the other broken classes.

Before they start messing around with class balance they should make sure that all skills and passives are working how they were intended in the first place. Then build up some actual evidence based on in-game statistics and not the ramblings of people on the forums.

Do they even collect statistics? Every nerf so far has come in the form of, "yes after reading all your posts we can confirm that (enter skill) is not working how it should and will be obliterated to make all you whiners happy."

G0ku · October 2015

double post

G0ku · October 2015

z_aromb16_ESO wrote: »

You're scared that all characters will be the same but considering the night blades are the best in PvP, you're going to have ecru one running around as the same character anyway.

Nightblades are not the best in pvp, period.

There are very few nightblades who can kill me solo on my templar and that´s not because they are nightblades but because they are far better players than me. If I meet a player equal on skill with me while being on my templar main he won´t be able to kill me other than having a really lucky streak of 100% crit of all opening skills. And even then it will get difficult for him.

People also say DK is just the worst right; nevertheless there are many DK´s out there who wipe the floor with me.

Stop saying stuff like sth is the best or OP, it depends on the factor in front of the screen...

terrasight · October 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

You can't permanantly stay in cloak!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why skills are getting nerfed cos dumb ppl are saying dumb s***

every magica NB can and most stamina blades can out side of combat aswell... (if not they are doing wrong and L2P in terms of gearing & CP spending)

Wrong... u can't permacloak with max. 10k Magicka and Stamblade... don't know why ppl don't get this.

Ballzy321 · October 2015

I think we all saw this coming. nb's abusing cloak in sewers is what caused this. Don't know why anyone is surprised.

Salmonoid · October 2015

I have no issue with how nightblades are, just increase the cast or no magic regen something alike of cloak to reduce bads being able to flee from any type of action if they can't one shot you. Cloak is extremely OP, not everyone has a detection pot on cooldown ready to go, not everyone has large enough aoe to hit you, you can even cloak a meteor which makes no sense. Not sure why you're so upset they are going to slightly increase the cast or slightly reduce your magic regen while cloaked. But hey it's too hard to reason with anyone on these forums who disagree with you, so no point putting my argument here

Yeah and templars shouldn't get magicka regen when casting heals, same with sorcs while channeling, oh and DKs should just have no health regen while doing anything.

Much more balanced.

Tankqull · October 2015

terrasight wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

You can't permanantly stay in cloak!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why skills are getting nerfed cos dumb ppl are saying dumb s***

every magica NB can and most stamina blades can out side of combat aswell... (if not they are doing wrong and L2P in terms of gearing & CP spending)

Wrong... u can't permacloak with max. 10k Magicka and Stamblade... don't know why ppl don't get this.

my stam blade at 10.350 magica can do so absolutly fine as i said l2equip and spend your cp porperly...

tennant94 · October 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

You can't permanantly stay in cloak!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why skills are getting nerfed cos dumb ppl are saying dumb s***

every magica NB can and most stamina blades can out side of combat aswell... (if not they are doing wrong and L2P in terms of gearing & CP spending)

Well i can't perma cloak in combat and i have 1800 recovery