Please fix Eclipse. This has been around too long

blabafat · October 2015

Eclipse

Templar reflect

Dawn's Wrath Ability

What is bugged about it?

-While you are reflecting spells, sometimes, you get locked out and can't cast any of your own abilities. I believe it's as if you are casting your opponent's abilities, so you can't cast your own.
-When you are reflecting spells, the damage that is reflected back at the enemy is stored up. This causes health desyncs. The enemy will die when he/she reaches a point where if the stored damage was applied, he/she would die.
-When a DK is using Burning Talons while he/she is eclipsed, he/she will become The Flash and have speed over 9000. Most likely, the DK will fly away and die of fall damage. Everyone's seen it before

For example -

If I am fighting an opponent with 20k health, and I reflect 5K damage which gets stored up, that opponent will die when he reaches 5K health. Because at 5K health, if the damage that was stored would be applied, his health would be 0.

That's what causes people to instantly die

This is very annoying for both the caster and the opponent. Not sure why it's not fixed yet, as it has been around for a long time.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Agreed, it's bugged to hell and it even makes DK's fly around the map when they use talons on you after you've put Eclipse on them.

I took it off for now anyway. Replaced it with Entropy for now...

blabafat · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Agreed, it's bugged to hell and it even makes DK's fly around the map when they use talons on you after you've put Eclipse on them.

I took it off for now anyway. Replaced it with Entropy for now...

Yep not to mention that. Let me add it to the post

Dracane · October 2015

There is another speed bug with Eclipse. I apologize, I forgot what skill was causing it.
It was a DK, but without Talons. I will ask him today, maybe he remembers and then I edit it.

Fizzlewizzle · October 2015

I loved the old eclipse more than the current one.
Only being able to use it on a single person (and hoping they don't have CC immunity) ruins it.
Even when the Reflect effect doesn't work it still takes a long time for the damage to hit. It's basically a worse version of Curse.

Zyle · October 2015

I used eclipse for about half a day before I removed it because of the bug OP is talking about. It's just a death sentence if that happens.

Baconlad · October 2015

Yeah the shared immunity *** me up, I don't understand why they'd do it. Would rather change the reflect to a one or two shot bubble on your enemy. After two spells reflected, it pops and aoes around it for 100% damage stored. Maybe an increased cost to prevent bubble lockdowns, but templar is lacking a reflect BAD. like DKs can reflect on a boss, but we can't, without 1h-s. Garbage ability

Hiero_Glyph · October 2015

Yeah, CC immnity really kills this skill, especially since Sweep/Jabs also grants CC immunity, as does Blazing Spear. Talk about horrible class synergy. Compare this to skills like Encase or Ambush and they can be spammed without any restrictions.

blabafat · October 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Yeah, CC immnity really kills this skill, especially since Sweep/Jabs also grants CC immunity, as does Blazing Spear. Talk about horrible class synergy. Compare this to skills like Encase or Ambush and they can be spammed without any restrictions.

Yep, CC for Templar is meh. Toppling is really nice, but jabs/eclipse/blazing spear CC are not strong

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Yeah, CC immnity really kills this skill, especially since Sweep/Jabs also grants CC immunity, as does Blazing Spear. Talk about horrible class synergy. Compare this to skills like Encase or Ambush and they can be spammed without any restrictions.

Huxide · October 2015

i really hope they wont fix the talons + eclipse bug, i like launching "talons & whip" DKs away from me

i know DKs hate it, but my escape isnt that good with the mist form bugs so that's my only way to escape these darn talon roots

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

Eclipse was garbage even on its best day. They really need to make it as reliable as scales.

Joy_Division · October 2015

Even if you fixed the issue the OP describes, the skill would fail to defend the Templar if there was ever more than one enemy.

Xantaria · October 2015

Dracane wrote: »

There is another speed bug with Eclipse. I apologize, I forgot what skill was causing it.
It was a DK, but without Talons. I will ask him today, maybe he remembers and then I edit it.

Caltrops :') ... Basically reflected AoE Roots / AoE Snares seem to cause it. Eruption does not cause it though.

The same happens at Grobull in Veteran Darkshade Caverns. Another funny thing is when you charge that boss the first time you will get CC immunity and when you then charge on him again the boss will actually charge to you.

BuggeX · October 2015

hate this *** of skill, one reasone that im using immovable with my DK.

molten whipe doesnt get reffelced but doesnt work either..............

lostavalon · October 2015

even npc's eclipse is bugged for me, its always invisible -.-

Cinbri · October 2015

Nice thread, but you know abous zos regarding templars:

Asmael · October 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

hate this *** of skill, one reasone that im using immovable with my DK.

molten whipe doesnt get reffelced but doesnt work either..............

Wait, I read that it was reflected, same as Concealed Weapon...

What the hell is going on with this skill?

wafcatb14_ESO · October 2015

This is very annoying for both the caster and the opponent. Not sure why it's not fixed yet, as it has been around for a long time.
Edited by blabafat on October 18, 2015 11:57AM

The reason it is not fixed yet, and the reason most of the bugs that have been in game for months aren`t fixed, is because when you go Free 2 play the only time you get paid is when someone buys stuff from the Cash store.

Fixing bugs does not pay that house payment or car, most of the resources will be applied to creating that next new shiny thing they can sucker you into buying in the cash store, so they can buy groceries, and pay the rent, keep the lights on.

Dracane · October 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

There is another speed bug with Eclipse. I apologize, I forgot what skill was causing it.
It was a DK, but without Talons. I will ask him today, maybe he remembers and then I edit it.

Caltrops :') ... Basically reflected AoE Roots / AoE Snares seem to cause it. Eruption does not cause it though.

The same happens at Grobull in Veteran Darkshade Caverns. Another funny thing is when you charge that boss the first time you will get CC immunity and when you then charge on him again the boss will actually charge to you.

You are the DK I was going to ask

I forgot to ask you

shame on me
You seduced me too much.

Hiero_Glyph · October 2015

This was noted by other players a while ago but Eclipse should still deal damage or do something even when a player has CC immunity. I mean it should no different than using Punturing Strikes when a player has CC immunity, you still activate the skill and deal damage, you just don't get the knockback (which no one wants) at the end.

timidobserver · October 2015

It is kind of funny. A single target skill like a eclipse, that does absolutely nothing to impact your movement(when working as intended), grants immunity but many aoe skills that actually do hold you in place don't.

Hiero_Glyph · October 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

It is kind of funny. AA single target skill like a eclipse, that does absolutely nothing to impact your movement(when working as intended), grants immunity but many aoe skills that actually do hold you in place don't.

Agreed. Additionally, a DK can spam Reflective Scales but a Templar has to wait for CC immunity to end to cast Eclipse? Sounds fair. What's sad is that I would almost prefer for this skill to be a self-target just to be able to always cast it when I need it. Besides, unlike a reflect where I can activate it while a projectile is being cast or still traveling to me, this skill requires selecting a target before they cast an ability and can immediately be CC-broken. ZOS needs to rework their rework.

blabafat · October 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

It is kind of funny. AA single target skill like a eclipse, that does absolutely nothing to impact your movement(when working as intended), grants immunity but many aoe skills that actually do hold you in place don't.

Agreed. Additionally, a DK can spam Reflective Scales but a Templar has to wait for CC immunity to end to cast Eclipse? Sounds fair. What's sad is that I would almost prefer for this skill to be a self-target just to be able to always cast it when I need it. Besides, unlike a reflect where I can activate it while a projectile is being cast or still traveling to me, this skill requires selecting a target before they cast an ability and can immediately be CC-broken. ZOS needs to rework their rework.

Agreed. Even if they keep the CC mechanics with Eclipse the same, at least fix the bugs to make it somewhat useful

timidobserver · October 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

It is kind of funny. AA single target skill like a eclipse, that does absolutely nothing to impact your movement(when working as intended), grants immunity but many aoe skills that actually do hold you in place don't.

Agreed. Additionally, a DK can spam Reflective Scales but a Templar has to wait for CC immunity to end to cast Eclipse? Sounds fair. What's sad is that I would almost prefer for this skill to be a self-target just to be able to always cast it when I need it. Besides, unlike a reflect where I can activate it while a projectile is being cast or still traveling to me, this skill requires selecting a target before they cast an ability and can immediately be CC-broken. ZOS needs to rework their rework.

I think that making the game see it as a hard CC was just programmer laziness. They did not want us putting it on bosses or keeping it up 100% of the time on a target. Instead of actually programming that logic into the ability in a way that makes sense, they just lazily made it a CC because that keeps it off of bosses and limits how often you can apply it to a target.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

Eclipse should be a DoT first, and a Reflect Second in its current vision. If they can't program it properly though I'd love to see them just convert it into 'Templar Dragon Scales'. My confidence in their ability to make this skill decent is really low. On top of all the bugs this ability is treated as a CC and put on CC Immunity. This skill can be purged. This skill can apply a weak bit of damage at the end (nothing like the npc version). If its is going to have a damage component I think it should be a DoT that can proc burning light or something. This would allow players to purge it like many other skills, including Cloak, purge or cleansing ritual. The added benefit to this is that it would help the DPS of a magic templar such that the laser beam is less necessary. Additionally, if it can only hit one target it should NOT be part of any CC - whoever made that change ought to be sent to the mail room or something. I can live with the fact that it can apply to only one target only if the cost is greatly reduced and if it can not be cc broken (even by npc bosses). Give npc's the ability to purge, get rid of the cc nonsense, and voila they solve the problem. Its a single target ability for goodness sake, don't they realize that if we have to hunt and pick targets to fire at it (and most of them are immune) that it means you're doing 0 dps? This skill, heart and soul, should have been treated as a counter to Scales/Posture and itself countered by any purges.

blabafat · October 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Eclipse should be a DoT first, and a Reflect Second in its current vision. If they can't program it properly though I'd love to see them just convert it into 'Templar Dragon Scales'. My confidence in their ability to make this skill decent is really low. On top of all the bugs this ability is treated as a CC and put on CC Immunity. This skill can be purged. This skill can apply a weak bit of damage at the end (nothing like the npc version). If its is going to have a damage component I think it should be a DoT that can proc burning light or something. This would allow players to purge it like many other skills, including Cloak, purge or cleansing ritual. The added benefit to this is that it would help the DPS of a magic templar such that the laser beam is less necessary. Additionally, if it can only hit one target it should NOT be part of any CC - whoever made that change ought to be sent to the mail room or something. I can live with the fact that it can apply to only one target only if the cost is greatly reduced and if it can not be cc broken (even by npc bosses). Give npc's the ability to purge, get rid of the cc nonsense, and voila they solve the problem. Its a single target ability for goodness sake, don't they realize that if we have to hunt and pick targets to fire at it (and most of them are immune) that it means you're doing 0 dps? This skill, heart and soul, should have been treated as a counter to Scales/Posture and itself countered by any purges.

Yeah the damage is pretty insignificant. Combined with the fact that it's single target and cc breakable, as you stated, make it a very undesired skill. I use it in 1v1s, however in open world, I don't see the point.

Legedric · October 2015

Another thread especially about the DK issues with Eclipse:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/224278/contest-how-high-can-your-dragon-knight-jump/p1