Big Simple Solution For PvP

Molag_Crow · October 2015

When a player uses the same ability continuously, like Concealed Weapon, Puncturing Sweep/Jab, Wrecking Blow, Dark Flare, Snipe/Focused Aim, Lethal Arrow etc etc the damage of the ability gets reduced after the 3rd time of its use by 20%, then 40%, then 60% etc for a total of 6 seconds or so, to cut down on all the senseless spam of the same ability.

There's currently no penalty for players using the same abilities over and over again and this MIGHT just make players actually USE their brain when in a PvP situation.

FOCUSED AIM!!!!!11shiftone

FOCUSED AIM!!!!!11shiftone

FOCUSED AIM!!!!!11shiftone

FOCUSED AIM!!!!!11shiftone

FOCUSED AIM!!!!!11shiftone

Derra · October 2015

There are not enough (useful) abilities to allow for proper rotations. Sounds good in theory. Completely impractical when you think about it for a few moments.

Rioht · October 2015

This is only relevant is sorcerer.

Use cloak repeatedly to never be hittable? No problem
Use wrecking blow repeatedly to cc and do huge damage? No problem
Use streak to get away from a gank? Nope! Nerfed
Use shields because you have no self heals? Nope! Nerfed!

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Yeah, I only thought about it from a Templar's perspective though so it probably won't work for other classes, I dunno..

Xendyn · October 2015

Dude, you're about to get run over by the PvEers because ZOS can't seem to separate skills between the two.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Only applies in PvP then!

Molag_Crow · October 2015

It won't happen anyway, just thought I'd bring it up.

WreckfulAbandon · October 2015

Rioht wrote: »

This is only relevant is sorcerer.

Use cloak repeatedly to never be hittable? No problem
Use wrecking blow repeatedly to cc and do huge damage? No problem
Use streak to get away from a gank? Nope! Nerfed
Use shields because you have no self heals? Nope! Nerfed!

Shields got a 5% nerf compared to dmg, don't worry, you can still spec for dmg on a magic sorc and tank every other magicka class.

CaptainObvious · October 2015

Plus you heal for each dark magic ability used...

catalyst10e · October 2015

The easy way around it would just be to spam 2 abilities. So instead of seeing Wrecking Blow/Wrecking Blow/Wrecking Blow you'd see Wrecking Blow/Carve/Wrecking Blow

Molag_Crow · October 2015

catalyst10e wrote: »

The easy way around it would just be to spam 2 abilities. So instead of seeing Wrecking Blow/Wrecking Blow/Wrecking Blow you'd see Wrecking Blow/Carve/Wrecking Blow

And that would make things slightly better, because the player would have to use their brain to process "WB, Cleave, WB, Cleave" to avoid the damage reduction stack.

Kuroinu · October 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

Dude, you're about to get run over by the PvEers because ZOS can't seem to separate skills between the two.

Lol yeah. "WTF BRO U WAN ALL MY PHAT DEEPS TO GO DOWN DA DRAINZ?!" *cough* Excuse me.

However, lets try and stay away from the "nerf to improve" perspective. Instead of nerfing multiple uses of an ability, we could have a system that gives incentive to combine other skills. In short, when you use an ability and follow it up with a different ability, a skill combo is created and will have varying effects depending on what abilities are used together. Bonus effects such as increased damage, status effects etc. the list could go on for days.

This could be a possible solution to this issue.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Well this could all fit in with Battle Spirit buff, like.. "If the same ability is used 3 consecutive times, the damage is greatly reduced."

I've JUST been killed while typing this by Focused Aim 5 *** times, see what I mean? too many scrubs who haven't got a clue how to use more than ability.

Jitterbug · October 2015

yeah and then in Cyro if you as a stam sorc use WB 5 times you will have a complete damage reduction of 100%
sounds fun :P

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Jitterbug wrote: »

yeah and then in Cyro if you as a stam sorc use WB 5 times you will have a complete damage reduction of 100%
sounds fun :P

That's a custom build though, if a build revolves around using 1 ability over and over again, that's not even worthy of being called a build, in fact it should be called '1 button win lol'

AshTal · October 2015

I agree in theory but some classes or healers don't have many direct attack abilities. I would like to see something done but unless they address balance on some skill paths I don't think it will happen

lathbury · October 2015

Rioht wrote: »

This is only relevant is sorcerer.

Use cloak repeatedly to never be hittable? No problem
Use wrecking blow repeatedly to cc and do huge damage? No problem
Use streak to get away from a gank? Nope! Nerfed
Use shields because you have no self heals? Nope! Nerfed!

just lol

RAGUNAnoOne · October 2015

would this also affect healers as well? I know many that spam breath of life.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

would this also affect healers as well? I know many that spam breath of life.

I'm a Breath of Life spammer simply because I have absolutely no other defensive abilities left.

Radiant Ward/Blazing Shield got heavily nerfed.
Mist Form is insanely bugged/nerfed.
Healing Ward sucks even though it's a resto staff ability.
Channeled Focus gives a little defensive buff to your armor and spell resist, but it's mostly useless since you're always marked by Nightblades anyway.
OIther Templar Heals aren't useful for PvP, especially solo.
We have no mobility.
etc etc

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Also, updated OP with a few screenshots of what I'm talking about.

Yonkit · October 2015

This isn't a solution..... This is salt.

pjwb16_ESO · October 2015

Attack Weaving

just put a light attack between each skill and you can ignore this here

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

This isn't a solution..... This is salt.

Explain why.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Attack Weaving just put a light attack between each skill and you can ignore this here

Light/Heavy attacks don't count. If you Wrecking Blow a target 3 times and then do a light attack, heavy attack for 3 seconds then Wrecking Blow again before the 6 second cool down (damage reduction stack) is over, Wrecking Blow's damage will be reduced by 20%, then 40% if they use it again and so on.

Same for all abilities.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

No offence but the players who won't like this idea implemented (In PvP only) are the exact players who spam the same abilities, so they'll actually have to use their brains in PvP *Gasps*!

CaptainObvious · October 2015

Just make bash interrupt AoE and channeling abilities. Rather stupid that you can bash interrupt PvE mobs but not players.

That way you can throat punch the idiot NB spamming sap.

SirDopey · October 2015

What's wrong with Spamming an ability? It's not like you're complaining when your healers are spamming BoL......just let people play the way they want to play without screaming NERF everytime someone beats you...

Jamersonb16_ESO · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Well this could all fit in with Battle Spirit buff, like.. "If the same ability is used 3 consecutive times, the damage is greatly reduced."

I've JUST been killed while typing this by Focused Aim 5 *** times, see what I mean? too many scrubs who haven't got a clue how to use more than ability.

So you're whining that you can't beat someone who only uses one ability? This reminds me of bowlers in cricket who slag off a batsman as 'just a slogger' because he's hitting you out of the ground using brute force rather than 'technique'. Yeah, but bottom line is you're still getting hit out of the ground. (if you're confused, replace 'cricket' with 'baseball')

If you're dying to a 'a scrub who hasn't got a clue how to use more than 1 ability' what does that say about your skill? Maybe pause for 2 seconds and think of a way you could maybe counter that one skill (hint* dodge roll, gap closers, reflect, shields, CC).

Oh and for the record I'm a PvEr mainly, but when I occasionally PvP it's on a healer so no WB spam here...

Van_0S · October 2015

Class:
NB needs a good heal ability.
Templars needs Mobility ability.
Sorc needs nothing.( they can turn in to super saiyans with there lighting form+daedraic armor+bolt(like instance transmission)
Dk ........?

Weapons:
DW needs a proper heal ability(like rally) or a proper buff i.e. % increase in attack on steel tornado or quick cloak.
Bow also needs the same thing like the DW(above).

PvP:
Zos, don't make any changes. The changes you have done is satisfactory but I am still displeased about the CP cap in thecnext patch and dodge rolling(which is not natural in any game that I have heard off).

PvE:
Please, make the veteran ranks a little easier or make an npc follower (since most of us are solo players, after all this is a TES game ).

Jamersonb16_ESO · October 2015

Or.... If you want a class heal, roll a Temp. If you want cloak and teleport, roll a NB. If you want to be able to reflect spells, roll a DK. If you want to be able to bolt escape, roll a sorc. Why do people constantly moan about not having access to another class' skills and mechanics? Do we really want there to be 1 set of armour, 1 weapon choice and 10 skills in the game so no one has something you don't and everything is 'fair'? It will then come down to' I only died because he has a better mouse/monitor/chair than me'...

Alucardo · October 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

Sorc needs nothing.( they can turn in to super saiyans with there lighting form+daedraic armor+bolt(like instance transmission)

Stam sorc needs a viable damage ability. If they had one, instead of spamming WB or steel tornado, they could work it into their routine so you're not getting smashed with the same ability over and over. Could mean less super saiyan as well.

DK needs stam whip, some mobility, gap closer, an execute, just to name a few.