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Some skills need a cooldown or nerfed
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pjwb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.
i prolly am a magica dk stuck in 1.4 -.-
sarcasm and polemic much?
actually im a magica player until the endEdited by pjwb16_ESO on October 17, 2015 1:14PM~ here since Beta
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iliatha✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
omg pls stop my brain hurts. How can someone be serious about this bull ***.
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✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
You got killed by 4 executioner? L2P really.EU | PC2 -
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Yes, Pa-Pa, but tell it again!
Well, he was about yea-high, and as old as you. One day, he was romping merrily through yonder forest, when he got executed from full health 4 times by a hybrid Nightblade that could spam everything infinitely while cloaking forever (presumably at melee range) and healing up with bats which are extremely OP if you do nothing but stand in them and try to hit Snipe. They say you can still hear his screams in yonder forest today, because he died in a falling animation.GM of Fantasia
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✭✭✭ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Oh look, another person looking to nerf the only high damage ability two handers have.
Just because all other moves in that tree are under powered doesn't excuse the over power of WB.
I agree the other moves need to be improved.
It is a problem when the only stamina builds u see are WB spammers of all classes.
Crystal frags and snipe do just as much damage. Next.
Crystal frags and snipe can be interrupted. Next...
look up some videos of uppercut being used back when it was interruptable. It was literally impossible to use in PvP because of it being interruptable. Frags and snipe require one to close a large gap and/or use one of the few ranged interrupts there are to stop it(and even then those sometimes don't work. I have venom arrowed many snipers and fraggers, and half the time it does not interrupt them) someone using uppercut is already in front of you, meaning it would take a simple bash to stop it.Edited by Cody on October 17, 2015 6:58PM0 -
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✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »I think we need a nerf on cooldowns and a cooldown on nerfs.
you know, I find that curious coming from you after seeing you complain about shadow cloak in that other thread.... but its cool, I agree with your point:)Edited by Cody on October 17, 2015 7:00PM0 -
Legendzerox✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.
God forbid stamina 2 handers use their main source of damage, that would just be silly!
Because everyone who runs a stam build uses that ability. That in itself says something.0 -
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✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.
God forbid stamina 2 handers use their main source of damage, that would just be silly!
Because everyone who runs a stam build uses that ability. That in itself says something.
It.Is.One.Ability. IF you cannot counter one SINGLE ability, you should just give up now. There are more than a dozen ways to counter it.2 -
Legendzerox✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.
God forbid stamina 2 handers use their main source of damage, that would just be silly!
Because everyone who runs a stam build uses that ability. That in itself says something.
It.Is.One.Ability. IF you cannot counter one SINGLE ability, you should just give up now. There are more than a dozen ways to counter it.
You don't get my point. There are so many abilities in this game, but everyone flocks to one and they all share the same cookie cutter build. If everyone uses the same ability there really is no build diversity and at a design standpoint, that ability needs to be nerfed, or they need to redo other abilities to make them more desirable. Also there really isn't a way to counter it. Its uninterupptible.0 -
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✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.
God forbid stamina 2 handers use their main source of damage, that would just be silly!
Because everyone who runs a stam build uses that ability. That in itself says something.
It.Is.One.Ability. IF you cannot counter one SINGLE ability, you should just give up now. There are more than a dozen ways to counter it.
You don't get my point. There are so many abilities in this game, but everyone flocks to one and they all share the same cookie cutter build. If everyone uses the same ability there really is no build diversity and at a design standpoint, that ability needs to be nerfed, or they need to redo other abilities to make them more desirable. Also there really isn't a way to counter it. Its uninterupptible.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. God forbid you dodge, block, cloak, blink, put points into physical damage reduction with CPs, knock back the user, LoS, use an immovable potion, use shuffle or unstoppable, use forward momentum, fear them, petrify them, etc etc etc etc. Shame on 2 handers for being in your face where they are supposed to be. Last I checked sorcerers were spamming crystal frags and daedric curse, and Templars were spamming jabs, where is the outcry? People are using this ability because they realize the majority of people are too damned lazy to actually USE the counters to it, just like cloak.2 -
eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a [...]
Yes, that does sound awfully homosexual.
Quick, nobody tell him about any of the same sex couples in the game or how Pledge of Mara doesn't discriminate.2 -
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✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.
God forbid stamina 2 handers use their main source of damage, that would just be silly!
Because everyone who runs a stam build uses that ability. That in itself says something.
It.Is.One.Ability. IF you cannot counter one SINGLE ability, you should just give up now. There are more than a dozen ways to counter it.
You don't get my point. There are so many abilities in this game, but everyone flocks to one and they all share the same cookie cutter build. If everyone uses the same ability there really is no build diversity and at a design standpoint, that ability needs to be nerfed, or they need to redo other abilities to make them more desirable. Also there really isn't a way to counter it. Its uninterupptible.
look up a video or two of it being used back when it was interruptable. You could not use it against crushing shock spammers or players with shields:(
countering uppercut is not hard. For Sithis sake stop complaining about it and learn to fight it. Heck if you are DW you can beat it easily! just hit the enemy with hidden blade, which will snare them and allow you to keep behind them easier.Edited by Cody on October 18, 2015 6:25PM0 -
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Please don't use the word gay in a negative fashionLegendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this would work with any class, not just Nightblades.Legendzerox wrote: »All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on
Read the forums for the billions of counters at your disposal.Legendzerox wrote: »and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly.
Or it could be because Rally is one of the best stamina heals in the game?Legendzerox wrote: »Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner
Why are you comparing two completely different spells? Cloak has many counters, bolt escape has none unless you're quick enough to catch up and initiate a gap closer. Still, they are completely different, so saying one should get a nerf because another did is completely idiotic.Legendzerox wrote: »and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
Edited by Alucardo on October 18, 2015 6:33PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭L2p. If someone kills you with 4x wrecking blow, you seriously need to step up your game.
And no, you're telling bullsh** with your "every stam build uses wrecking blow". That is simply not true at all. So ye. L2p pls.
Seriously.. What is it with you? let's nerf everything? Everything I do not use but is strong should be nerfed? This thinking makes me sick.
People like you are the reason we can't have nice things in this game anymore.
You complain about the streak nerf? Guess what, it was exactly your kind that caused the nerf. But keep on going.Edited by Wollust on October 19, 2015 12:59AMSusano'o
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✭✭✭Faced several WB spammers today with my 5 piece light armor, 2 piece heavy magplar today, beat every one of them. Then tea bagged them. It is so easy to counter it is laughable. I have never said this in my entire 23 years of gaming, but if you have problems countering it, you SERIOUSLY need to l2p.0 -
Galalin✭✭✭✭✭Another quality PvE post in a PvP forum....
L2p that is all
Oh wait this is the PvE section.... carry on
DK SCRUB OUTEdited by Galalin on October 19, 2015 2:44AM0 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭SleepyTroll wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
We have 5 skill slots wtf do you want me to do not run any buffs/heals or.toggles. Stop.with the nerf *** threads and start asking ZOS for soft caps. Like literally every skill being op and indivually needing to be nerfed is a result of no soft.caps. Also if your in a group and you cant pull a.NB from stealth your bad.
ZOS"oh hey lets remove softcaps so people dont feel restrained".... Few months later"*** that was a horrible idea... We.cant revert it becuase we would have to admit we were wrong. Lets just wait and nerf every skill when its whined about"
Indeed the real problem in this game is no soft cap. Everything is out of control because of that mostly. They were too low in pre 1.6 but it was a good thing.
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✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
We have 5 skill slots wtf do you want me to do not run any buffs/heals or.toggles. Stop.with the nerf *** threads and start asking ZOS for soft caps. Like literally every skill being op and indivually needing to be nerfed is a result of no soft.caps. Also if your in a group and you cant pull a.NB from stealth your bad.
ZOS"oh hey lets remove softcaps so people dont feel restrained".... Few months later"*** that was a horrible idea... We.cant revert it becuase we would have to admit we were wrong. Lets just wait and nerf every skill when its whined about"
Indeed the real problem in this game is no soft cap. Everything is out of control because of that mostly. They were too low in pre 1.6 but it was a good thing.
#BringBackOurCaps
No. Before the soft cap removal heavy armor was useless, you could reach the armor cap with light armor so there was no reason to use heavy armor.0 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
We have 5 skill slots wtf do you want me to do not run any buffs/heals or.toggles. Stop.with the nerf *** threads and start asking ZOS for soft caps. Like literally every skill being op and indivually needing to be nerfed is a result of no soft.caps. Also if your in a group and you cant pull a.NB from stealth your bad.
ZOS"oh hey lets remove softcaps so people dont feel restrained".... Few months later"*** that was a horrible idea... We.cant revert it becuase we would have to admit we were wrong. Lets just wait and nerf every skill when its whined about"
Indeed the real problem in this game is no soft cap. Everything is out of control because of that mostly. They were too low in pre 1.6 but it was a good thing.
#BringBackOurCaps
No. Before the soft cap removal heavy armor was useless, you could reach the armor cap with light armor so there was no reason to use heavy armor.
That's why is said "They were too low in pre 1.6". Just rease the caps and it's ok. Indeed HA was useless, but with a higher cap it's ok while stats are "under control", not like now0 -
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✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
We have 5 skill slots wtf do you want me to do not run any buffs/heals or.toggles. Stop.with the nerf *** threads and start asking ZOS for soft caps. Like literally every skill being op and indivually needing to be nerfed is a result of no soft.caps. Also if your in a group and you cant pull a.NB from stealth your bad.
ZOS"oh hey lets remove softcaps so people dont feel restrained".... Few months later"*** that was a horrible idea... We.cant revert it becuase we would have to admit we were wrong. Lets just wait and nerf every skill when its whined about"
Indeed the real problem in this game is no soft cap. Everything is out of control because of that mostly. They were too low in pre 1.6 but it was a good thing.
#BringBackOurCaps
No. Before the soft cap removal heavy armor was useless, you could reach the armor cap with light armor so there was no reason to use heavy armor.
That's why is said "They were too low in pre 1.6". Just rease the caps and it's ok. Indeed HA was useless, but with a higher cap it's ok while stats are "under control", not like now
They would have to make it so it is impossible to reach the cap with light and medium armor, otherwise HA would be useless.0 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
We have 5 skill slots wtf do you want me to do not run any buffs/heals or.toggles. Stop.with the nerf *** threads and start asking ZOS for soft caps. Like literally every skill being op and indivually needing to be nerfed is a result of no soft.caps. Also if your in a group and you cant pull a.NB from stealth your bad.
ZOS"oh hey lets remove softcaps so people dont feel restrained".... Few months later"*** that was a horrible idea... We.cant revert it becuase we would have to admit we were wrong. Lets just wait and nerf every skill when its whined about"
Indeed the real problem in this game is no soft cap. Everything is out of control because of that mostly. They were too low in pre 1.6 but it was a good thing.
#BringBackOurCaps
No. Before the soft cap removal heavy armor was useless, you could reach the armor cap with light armor so there was no reason to use heavy armor.
That's why is said "They were too low in pre 1.6". Just rease the caps and it's ok. Indeed HA was useless, but with a higher cap it's ok while stats are "under control", not like now
They would have to make it so it is impossible to reach the cap with light and medium armor, otherwise HA would be useless.
Indeed. The cap should be a max vet16 armour 7 pieces + major armor buff upEdited by contact.opiumb16_ESO on October 19, 2015 1:08PM0 -
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LOL!!! L2P!! L2P!!!Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
I can't even....
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IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭I seriously hope they never add cooldowns in this game. That would be enough to get to stop playing right there.#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?0 -
KundaliniHero✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »If the majority of people use Wrecking Blow over other abilities, that just means that ability is too powerful. MMO Players have always flocked to the most overpowered thing in a cycle cause its easy to kill people that way. Wrecking Blow will be nerfed one day, same with Shadow Cloak. If Sorcs Bolt Escape causes them to use more magicka on subsequent casts, I only see it fair Nightblades do the same with Shadow Cloak. I would love to see other abilities get some love and wrecking blow nerfed to diversify builds.
I want to be the first to tell you that its ok. Your in a safe place. Your not alone. There are many player just like you that are really, really horrible at this game. If you are looking for hugs to assuage your sadness and repair your ego, just ask.0 -
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✭KozawahGaming wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »If the majority of people use Wrecking Blow over other abilities, that just means that ability is too powerful. MMO Players have always flocked to the most overpowered thing in a cycle cause its easy to kill people that way. Wrecking Blow will be nerfed one day, same with Shadow Cloak. If Sorcs Bolt Escape causes them to use more magicka on subsequent casts, I only see it fair Nightblades do the same with Shadow Cloak. I would love to see other abilities get some love and wrecking blow nerfed to diversify builds.
So then it would be fair to have Green Dragons Blood to have increase cost on subsequent casts. I see DK's spamming that skill too.
Worse response than his.0 -
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✭Legendzerox wrote: »pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.
God forbid stamina 2 handers use their main source of damage, that would just be silly!
I agree. He was right though for the wrong point. There is a problem if most stamina users which is more than half the population use the same skill unless you are in a group.
Other class skills need to be buffed and/or morphs changed to make them more attractive.0 -
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✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.
God forbid stamina 2 handers use their main source of damage, that would just be silly!
I agree. He was right though for the wrong point. There is a problem if most stamina users which is more than half the population use the same skill unless you are in a group.
Other class skills need to be buffed and/or morphs changed to make them more attractive.
If they were to reduce the damage of that ability tho, all heavy hitting abilities would need nerfs. Snipe, frags and solar flare all hit for generally the same amount.0 -
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a.skelton92✭✭✭He is right though.. Another tacky as *** build. CD's even if very small are needed. Feel like I am playing bloody tekken half the time with the amount of spamming in this game.. This is not limited to NBs however. PvP in general has always been cheesy on ESO.. Unfortunately..0