Group Rage!!!! ... 'cause I can't stop myself.

RizaHawkeye · October 2015

The game is an MMO. Check.

Because it's an MMO, some instances require you be in a group. Check.

This requirement is enforced by offering no solo options and making the dungeon impossible to solo at the appropriate level. Check.

Group tool doesn't work, in part, because no one uses it (I asked in chat if anyone uses it and got two LOLs for my effort). Check.

So where does that leave me?

I spent an hour today trying to find a freakin group to run Wayrest Sewers. I'm level 27 and I don't need a gold, silver or other pledge. I just need to run the freakin sewer to leave the zone (Zenimax, you do remember you made the game linear, right?). But you have no effective way of grouping. None. So all I can do is stand in the freakin swamp outside the sewer and spam Zone Chat (which I hate to do) until people are tired of hearing from me (which I completely understand).

But Riza, join a guild! I belong to four and no one was available to run Wayrest with me. No one. Come back tonight, there's be more people? What if I can't? What if I'm doing something else.

Well, Riza, we don't know what to say? Everyone's in Cyrodill or the IC? Fair enough, but that still doesn't solve my freakin problem!!!

Deep breath.

Okay, let me try to explain - seriously. You want to make content for PvP and Groups. Yes, I get that. I really, really do. And if there were tons of groups available, that would be okay. But I've been trying for two days to do this damn sewer and I cannot find a group. I know you're reworking the grouping tool, but simply opening it to all three factions gives three times the options for groups, right? And in my world, 3 x 0 still equals 0.

Please ... just give me the option to run the dungeon solo if I want to. Please. Because you're wasting my freaking time right now.

/end rage

Tryxus · October 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

I just need to run the freakin sewer to leave the zone

No you don't.

Group dungeon stories have nothing to do with the Main Quest or Alliance Story so you don't have to worry about not going linear. These dungeons have their own stories/storylines

RizaHawkeye · October 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

I just need to run the freakin sewer to leave the zone

No you don't.

Group dungeon stories have nothing to do with the Main Quest or Alliance Story so you don't have to worry about not going linear. These dungeons have their own stories/storylines

But there's going to be another Undaunted dungeon in the next zone, right? Wouldn't I need to run this sewer before I hit that dungeon?

And the longer I wait, the harder it gets to find a group that will be close to my level. If I group with players who are under my level, then I don't get drops. That's what happened with this character when she ran Spindle.

SirAndy · October 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

I just need to run the freakin sewer to leave the zone

No you don't.
Group dungeon stories have nothing to do with the Main Quest or Alliance Story so you don't have to worry about not going linear. These dungeons have their own stories/storylines

You can always come back later for the group dungeons, they have no impact on the main story line and are not required to move to the next zone.

Cazzy · October 2015

You don't need to do any dungeons as part of the main quest

So you can leave the sewers for now ^_^

Kuroinu · October 2015

As someone that absolutely has to complete all the things in one region before moving on. I did always dread the time when I had to do the Group Dungeon, it was always the last thing to do even if I was queuing whilst doing everything else. Rarely would the Grouping Tool form a group and thus I more often than not had to go to Wayrest and shout for any level of players to get it done.

It's even more apparent when you hit the Veteran Ranks.

MaxBat · October 2015

OP: As others have said, you can just skip it. If you're trying to do the completionist thing, come back later.

But this is a problem I've had since day one, mostly because I don't join guilds or hang with dungeon groups. If a guild isn't working for you, and spamming chat doesn't help either, then you are official SOL. Move on.

A lot of players just run the main quest. I stopped trying to do everything on my second run. Just do the main and the guilds and move on. Everything else is pretty much skippable.

Xendyn · October 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

I just need to run the freakin sewer to leave the zone

No you don't.

Group dungeon stories have nothing to do with the Main Quest or Alliance Story so you don't have to worry about not going linear. These dungeons have their own stories/storylines

But there's going to be another Undaunted dungeon in the next zone, right? Wouldn't I need to run this sewer before I hit that dungeon?

And the longer I wait, the harder it gets to find a group that will be close to my level. If I group with players who are under my level, then I don't get drops. That's what happened with this character when she ran Spindle.

I understand and actually there are 3 (one for each faction) at each level range. I made the mistake of passing them up on a couple of my characters as it was hard to find a group. Even my guilds had done them so much no one was interested and I hate pugs running through as fast as possible...if you can get one.

To this day those characters (now VR14 and up) have uncompleted dungeons and probably always will.

RizaHawkeye · October 2015

MaxBat wrote: »

OP: As others have said, you can just skip it. If you're trying to do the completionist thing, come back later.

But this is a problem I've had since day one, mostly because I don't join guilds or hang with dungeon groups. If a guild isn't working for you, and spamming chat doesn't help either, then you are official SOL. Move on.

A lot of players just run the main quest. I stopped trying to do everything on my second run. Just do the main and the guilds and move on. Everything else is pretty much skippable.

Okay, call me crazy, but I like the content in this game. I like the game. I want to do this. I don't want to skip it.

Nice to know I don't have a choice.

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

As someone that absolutely has to complete all the things in one region before moving on. I did always dread the time when I had to do the Group Dungeon, it was always the last thing to do even if I was queuing whilst doing everything else. Rarely would the Grouping Tool form a group and thus I more often than not had to go to Wayrest and shout for any level of players to get it done.

It's even more apparent when you hit the Veteran Ranks.

Riko, thank you for saying this. Really. Because of your post, I feel less like a whining freak right now.

Xendyn wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

I just need to run the freakin sewer to leave the zone

No you don't.

Group dungeon stories have nothing to do with the Main Quest or Alliance Story so you don't have to worry about not going linear. These dungeons have their own stories/storylines

But there's going to be another Undaunted dungeon in the next zone, right? Wouldn't I need to run this sewer before I hit that dungeon?

And the longer I wait, the harder it gets to find a group that will be close to my level. If I group with players who are under my level, then I don't get drops. That's what happened with this character when she ran Spindle.

I understand and actually there are 3 (one for each faction) at each level range. I made the mistake of passing them up on a couple of my characters as it was hard to find a group. Even my guilds had done them so much no one was interested and I hate pugs running through as fast as possible...if you can get one.

To this day those characters (now VR14 and up) have uncompleted dungeons and probably always will.

And apparently this is the choice I have because I am moving on. I really don't have any more time to wait for a group.

i3ig_Gun · October 2015

Dont wanna be social?

Then get off the social game, and go play a single player.

problem solved, no rage, no massive wall of text, no problems.

Happier life eh?

Xendyn · October 2015

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Dont wanna be social?

Then get off the social game, and go play a single player.

problem solved, no rage, no massive wall of text, no problems.

Happier life eh?

Way to not read, man.
GJ

Kuroinu · October 2015

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Dont wanna be social?

Then get off the social game, and go play a single player.

problem solved, no rage, no massive wall of text, no problems.

Happier life eh?

Lol, did you even read more than the thread title?

Tryxus · October 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

And apparently this is the choice I have because I am moving on. I really don't have any more time to wait for a group.

You can always run them during pledges.

I kinda skipped both Volenfell as well as Blackheart Haven, and the 3 last ones of the other factions because I couldn't find a group at that time either. But when I hit that V1 level, I could play with ppl from my guild or others who needed to run a pledge.

You can run the dungeon quest alongside the pledge, and get the Skill Point with the pledge rewards. It's actually easier that way.

Kuroinu · October 2015

I've said before that Group Dungeons should be the best form of exp. instead of grinding mobs in the open world. Most of them are fun and having them as the best way to gain exp would re-populated the Grouping Tool when it does get fixed or improved upon.

UrQuan · October 2015

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Dont wanna be social?

Then get off the social game, and go play a single player.

problem solved, no rage, no massive wall of text, no problems.

Happier life eh?

Don't wanna read what you're replying to?

Then don't bother, and make up your own random assumptions about what it might have said.

Problem solved, no boring reading, no having to come up with something remotely relevant to say, no problems.

More meaningless post eh?

Cazzy · October 2015

I know it doesn't solve the problem but what I did was wait until level 45 when I start getting Undaunted pledges. Usually there are people hanging around the area where the pledges are given looking to group up. It will take longer to do them all but I find it the easiest way to do the Group Dungeons.

RizaHawkeye · October 2015

Okay, I've read through the responses and maybe I don't understand how the Undaunted quest line works. Some questions:

1. Are the quests sequential? If not, then how do them out of order?

2. What is a pledge? Is it a different dungeon or the same one?

3. If I've never run the sewers before, can I run a pledge?

4. I really like the story and the quests in this game. So how do I come back and do this dungeon later?

Thanks for any help.

UrQuan · October 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Okay, I've red through the responses and maybe I don't understand how the Undaunted quest line works. Some questions:

1. Are the quests sequential? If not, then how do them out of order?

2. What is a pledge? Is it a different dungeon or the same one?

3. If I've never run the sewers before, can I run a pledge?

4. I really like the story and the quests in this game. So how do I come back and do this dungeon later?

Thanks for any help.

Some answers for you

No - one undaunted dungeon quest is entirely unrelated to any of the others for different dungeons. They can be done in any order at any level (they scale up from the minimum level, so you can always come back later)
It's an incentive to go and do one of the group dungeons - killing the bosses. It's a separate repeatable quest with rewards based on the bosses you killed (and for the vet pledge, based on the way you kill one of them), and can be done concurrently with the one-time story quest for the dungeon.
Yes - you just have to be level 45 to do a pledge.
The dungeon will scale to the level of the group leader, so you can come back at VR16 and do it for the first time at VR16, with VR16 enemies and rewards (well, some of the rewards only scale to VR14) if you like.

RizaHawkeye · October 2015

@UrQuan to the rescue again!

Thank you for explaining that. I feel better about leaving it behind.

RAGUNAnoOne · October 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Okay, I've read through the responses and maybe I don't understand how the Undaunted quest line works. Some questions:

1. Are the quests sequential? If not, then how do them out of order?

2. What is a pledge? Is it a different dungeon or the same one?

3. If I've never run the sewers before, can I run a pledge?

4. I really like the story and the quests in this game. So how do I come back and do this dungeon later?

Thanks for any help.

1 you can do them in any order
2 a daily quest to beat all the bosses, veteran ones have special conditions, same dungeon you would run normally.
3 Just enter the sewers and come back out then you will be full undaunted don't even have to kill anything(works with fungal grotto)
4 teleport strait to the dungeon as if it where a wayshrine.

CromulentForumID · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Don't wanna read what you're replying to?

Then don't bother, and make up your own random assumptions about what it might have said.

Problem solved, no boring reading, no having to come up with something remotely relevant to say, no problems.

More meaningless post eh?

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bareheiny · October 2015

I just hit l30....and despite my best efforts, I've run Fungal Grotto and Wayrest Sewers.

And Wayrest was only because my Fungal group wanted to keep going.

I'm seriously thinking of taking up a league mate on his offer to duo the dungeons with me...ill have group lead so everything scales to me and I'll just follow his vet character through.

OrphanHelgen · October 2015

Group tool is terribly designed.
And I had the same problem when grouping in craglorn, and that zone is an entire zone just designed for grouping. I was stuck there for weeks.

Tavore1138 · October 2015

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Dont wanna be social?

Then get off the social game, and go play a single player.

problem solved, no rage, no massive wall of text, no problems.

Happier life eh?

A granary!

14 well roasted geese?

Fire walk with me...

Do I win the non sequitur prize?

@OP I appreciate the dsire to complete all before moving on but as group dungeons will scale to the level of the group leader it is not a huge issue if you come back to this in a few levels time, you will still get a level appropriate challenge and drops. That being said I also appreciate the group tool is deeply flawed and makes it harder to get groups together than it should be.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Group Instances like Wayrest Sewers are completely optional. What are they there for? This...

1. Undaunted XP.
2. Achievements.
3. A Skill Point and Item Reward from the quest or quests in them.

4. Deadlands Adept Title from City of Ash stuff.

5. Fun and/or Challenges.
6. As of Lv45, Undaunted Pledges which help #1 on the list more.

Are these dungeons a requirement for anything at all? Completion. Beyond that? Not a damn thing. Also it isn't Zenimax's fault people are the way they are and only prefer to run these things with friends or other people they consider "competent and not weak". Don't blame the game, blame the metagame!