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Some skills need a cooldown or nerfed
Legendzerox
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The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
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Legendzerox✭✭✭Also the Vamp ult. Many people use that due to it not requiring a lot of ult and it deals massive aoe dmg and heals people. They really need to look at that as well.4
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think you mean wrecking blow. Use aoe and keep gap closing him to keep him from getting away with stealth. Or just have anyone in your group stay on him with a stealth detect pot or carpet bomb the area with lingering flare or caltops. Lingering flare is actually better because you can keep multiples up at once making a veritable mine field of stealth detect zones.
Please discuss any problems you might be having in pvp before asking for nerfs.Edited by Armitas on October 16, 2015 3:54PMRetired.
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oh look, another person looking to nerf the only high damage ability two handers have.6 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh look, another person looking to nerf the only high damage ability two handers have.
Just because all other moves in that tree are under powered doesn't excuse the over power of WB.
I agree the other moves need to be improved.
It is a problem when the only stamina builds u see are WB spammers of all classes.
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Oh look, another person looking to nerf the only high damage ability two handers have.
Just because all other moves in that tree are under powered doesn't excuse the over power of WB.
I agree the other moves need to be improved.
It is a problem when the only stamina builds u see are WB spammers of all classes.
Crystal frags and snipe do just as much damage. Next.6 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Oh look, another person looking to nerf the only high damage ability two handers have.
Just because all other moves in that tree are under powered doesn't excuse the over power of WB.
I agree the other moves need to be improved.
It is a problem when the only stamina builds u see are WB spammers of all classes.
Crystal frags and snipe do just as much damage. Next.
Crystal frags and snipe can be interrupted. Next...Playing since beta...4 -
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✭✭✭ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Oh look, another person looking to nerf the only high damage ability two handers have.
Just because all other moves in that tree are under powered doesn't excuse the over power of WB.
I agree the other moves need to be improved.
It is a problem when the only stamina builds u see are WB spammers of all classes.
Crystal frags and snipe do just as much damage. Next.
Crystal frags and snipe can be interrupted. Next...
[ I'm a NightBlade ]
Giggles. Cloaking can be interrupted. Next..
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Oh look, another person looking to nerf the only high damage ability two handers have.
Just because all other moves in that tree are under powered doesn't excuse the over power of WB.
I agree the other moves need to be improved.
It is a problem when the only stamina builds u see are WB spammers of all classes.
Crystal frags and snipe do just as much damage. Next.
Crystal frags and snipe can be interrupted. Next...
WB used to be interruptable and they changed it a while back because the ability was 100 % useless when it was, in order to interrupt snipe or frags you have to time it, with WB you could just spam shield bash and they would never be able to get the attack off.2 -
Legendzerox✭✭✭If the majority of people use Wrecking Blow over other abilities, that just means that ability is too powerful. MMO Players have always flocked to the most overpowered thing in a cycle cause its easy to kill people that way. Wrecking Blow will be nerfed one day, same with Shadow Cloak. If Sorcs Bolt Escape causes them to use more magicka on subsequent casts, I only see it fair Nightblades do the same with Shadow Cloak. I would love to see other abilities get some love and wrecking blow nerfed to diversify builds.2
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »If the majority of people use Wrecking Blow over other abilities, that just means that ability is too powerful. MMO Players have always flocked to the most overpowered thing in a cycle cause its easy to kill people that way. Wrecking Blow will be nerfed one day, same with Shadow Cloak. If Sorcs Bolt Escape causes them to use more magicka on subsequent casts, I only see it fair Nightblades do the same with Shadow Cloak. I would love to see other abilities get some love and wrecking blow nerfed to diversify builds.
I would be TOTALLY cool with a small nerf to WBs damage IF the other abilities got some much needed love. Critical rush is just worthless under 10 meters, executioner is just stupid weak unless their health is under 50 %, brawler is just an absolute PITIFUL dot, and rally / forward momentum are lacklustre at best.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think we need a nerf on cooldowns and a cooldown on nerfs.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE13 -
PrinceRyzen✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »If the majority of people use Wrecking Blow over other abilities, that just means that ability is too powerful. MMO Players have always flocked to the most overpowered thing in a cycle cause its easy to kill people that way. Wrecking Blow will be nerfed one day, same with Shadow Cloak. If Sorcs Bolt Escape causes them to use more magicka on subsequent casts, I only see it fair Nightblades do the same with Shadow Cloak. I would love to see other abilities get some love and wrecking blow nerfed to diversify builds.
Cloak isn't bolt escape for nightblades.
Cloak for nightblades is what shields are for sorcs.
Shields don't increase in cost and neither should cloak. Bolt escape for nightblades is dodge roll.
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✭✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
I can't even....
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KozawahGaming✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »If the majority of people use Wrecking Blow over other abilities, that just means that ability is too powerful. MMO Players have always flocked to the most overpowered thing in a cycle cause its easy to kill people that way. Wrecking Blow will be nerfed one day, same with Shadow Cloak. If Sorcs Bolt Escape causes them to use more magicka on subsequent casts, I only see it fair Nightblades do the same with Shadow Cloak. I would love to see other abilities get some love and wrecking blow nerfed to diversify builds.
So then it would be fair to have Green Dragons Blood to have increase cost on subsequent casts. I see DK's spamming that skill too.Vet 5 NB- Gaelwen Forestmire (Vamp(cured)/Stam)
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kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »If the majority of people use Wrecking Blow over other abilities, that just means that ability is too powerful. MMO Players have always flocked to the most overpowered thing in a cycle cause its easy to kill people that way. Wrecking Blow will be nerfed one day, same with Shadow Cloak. If Sorcs Bolt Escape causes them to use more magicka on subsequent casts, I only see it fair Nightblades do the same with Shadow Cloak. I would love to see other abilities get some love and wrecking blow nerfed to diversify builds.
I would be TOTALLY cool with a small nerf to WBs damage IF the other abilities got some much needed love. Critical rush is just worthless under 10 meters, executioner is just stupid weak unless their health is under 50 %, brawler is just an absolute PITIFUL dot, and rally / forward momentum are lacklustre at best.
I actually think the damage WB does is fine. It is on par with other abilities that have a cast time. The part about WB that I hate is the fact that some players have figured out how to make it hit twice before you can recover from the first one, there isn't a way to interrupt it if someone is CC immune, and It seems to hit beyond what should be its range. IMO that is what makes it overpowered right now.Playing since beta...0 -
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✭✭Bats are already useless the way they are lol. people only slot it for the magic regen0 -
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✭Cloak is fine, Vigor just needs to pop you out of cloak, problem solved.PC NA
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Rayste✭✭✭LOL at these threads. I am surprised people complain about 2hnders and not surprise attack
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KozawahGaming✭✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »Cloak is fine, Vigor just needs to pop you out of cloak, problem solved.
This^
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »Legendzerox wrote: »If the majority of people use Wrecking Blow over other abilities, that just means that ability is too powerful. MMO Players have always flocked to the most overpowered thing in a cycle cause its easy to kill people that way. Wrecking Blow will be nerfed one day, same with Shadow Cloak. If Sorcs Bolt Escape causes them to use more magicka on subsequent casts, I only see it fair Nightblades do the same with Shadow Cloak. I would love to see other abilities get some love and wrecking blow nerfed to diversify builds.
I would be TOTALLY cool with a small nerf to WBs damage IF the other abilities got some much needed love. Critical rush is just worthless under 10 meters, executioner is just stupid weak unless their health is under 50 %, brawler is just an absolute PITIFUL dot, and rally / forward momentum are lacklustre at best.
I actually think the damage WB does is fine. It is on par with other abilities that have a cast time. The part about WB that I hate is the fact that some players have figured out how to make it hit twice before you can recover from the first one, there isn't a way to interrupt it if someone is CC immune, and It seems to hit beyond what should be its range. IMO that is what makes it overpowered right now.
The range is a bit wonky indeed. I honestly think the damage is fine where it is as well. These extreme cases I keep seeing are people that get WB'd from stealth when the person also had Rally on, which is 20 % damage increase.1 -
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✭Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
We have 5 skill slots wtf do you want me to do not run any buffs/heals or.toggles. Stop.with the nerf *** threads and start asking ZOS for soft caps. Like literally every skill being op and indivually needing to be nerfed is a result of no soft.caps. Also if your in a group and you cant pull a.NB from stealth your bad.
ZOS"oh hey lets remove softcaps so people dont feel restrained".... Few months later"*** that was a horrible idea... We.cant revert it becuase we would have to admit we were wrong. Lets just wait and nerf every skill when its whined about"
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✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »If the majority of people use Wrecking Blow over other abilities, that just means that ability is too powerful. MMO Players have always flocked to the most overpowered thing in a cycle cause its easy to kill people that way. Wrecking Blow will be nerfed one day, same with Shadow Cloak. If Sorcs Bolt Escape causes them to use more magicka on subsequent casts, I only see it fair Nightblades do the same with Shadow Cloak. I would love to see other abilities get some love and wrecking blow nerfed to diversify builds.
I would be TOTALLY cool with a small nerf to WBs damage IF the other abilities got some much needed love. Critical rush is just worthless under 10 meters, executioner is just stupid weak unless their health is under 50 %, brawler is just an absolute PITIFUL dot, and rally / forward momentum are lacklustre at best.
Brawler could be stronger, I agree. Critical Rush is an excellent gap closer, I'd take only Ambush over that. It closes gaps and deals quite some damage. Executioner is an execute, and again a very good one. It's supposed to be weak until around 30% health. Rally is in fact such a great skill that a lot of people use 2 hand just for that.
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✭Legendzerox wrote: »The gayest thing I've encountered so far is a Two Handed Nightblade. All he would do is Executioner you 4 times and you would be dead because he had all medium armor on. and he would always spam Shadow Cloak, Shadow Cloak. He was unkillable cause we could never find him and would just pick us apart slowly. Everyone uses freaking two handers because of Executioner, and its not fair that Shadow Cloak hasn't got nerfed yet Bolt Escape has. Bolt Escape also has an increasing cost everytime you use it, Shadow Cloak doesn't.
Executioner is NOT why people use 2H. No one uses Executioner 4 times. He can't "spam" Cloak because he's a Stam build.1 -
Legendzerox✭✭✭pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Legendzerox wrote: »pjwb16_ESO wrote: »Omg people who are so bad as the op really should start l2p and stop asking for nerfs because of guys like you our sweet game in update 1,4-1.5 decayed to a crap if ***
You prolly use Wrecking Blow non stop.
God forbid stamina 2 handers use their main source of damage, that would just be silly!4
