If you want them to nerf shield breaker or get rid of it, then they should lower the damage shield of the sorcerer even more. Don't complain about fixing something when it's not broken. If you don't like it, then don't rely on your shield to stay alive, up your dps game then.

the real issue is that alot of sorcs thought they were good at pvp but werent. now they die as hard and fast as everyone else (only to people with shield breaker tho) its hard to adjust to such a huge blow to their ego. they thought they were gods but they were just trash. its a hard pill to swallow.

in other news good sorcs still *** on everything and everyone. maybe follow one around and see what they do. or reroll another class and realise the grass isnt greener. go ahead reroll that nb and cloak spam. ill just use 1 of the many many counters to your cloak and destroy you cause you dont have any class-based shields.

just in case you were wondering, I was using shield breaker but replaced it for another set cause i missed having a GOOD set bonus that helped against everything(including GOOD sorcs) not just bad sorcs.)

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

I'd personally prefer to see the set removed, and sorcerer hardened ward be significantly lowered.

The meta is still such that hardened ward alone can be over 10k. Shield breaker was a poor solution (that hurt all class/general shields). What the game actually needed was for hardened ward to be adjusted. Currently the situation is the same (insane shield strength that is very hard to go through) except when sorcerers run into a person who is running this set. What would be better is to bring hardened more in line with other shields and not have this set (that you have to build for?).

I'm sure many would argue that hardened's current strength is essential because of the typical reasonings (sorcs have no heal, squishy without it, etc. etc.). This is actually how other magicka builds (DK, NB) currently are. Magicka sorcerer survival is still ridiculously easy and powerful unless one encounters this set.

Hardened Ward makes you tankier because it's preemptive as opposed to Rushed Ceremony and NB is especially squishy because if your Cloak is broken, it's gone. But both don't mean that Hardened Ward is actually the more powerful ability.
I'd much rather have either of the other two on my Sorc instead.

Angarato wrote: »

the real issue is that alot of sorcs thought they were good at pvp but werent. now they die as hard and fast as everyone else (only to people with shield breaker tho) its hard to adjust to such a huge blow to their ego. they thought they were gods but they were just trash. its a hard pill to swallow.

in other news good sorcs still *** on everything and everyone. maybe follow one around and see what they do. or reroll another class and realise the grass isnt greener. go ahead reroll that nb and cloak spam. ill just use 1 of the many many counters to your cloak and destroy you cause you dont have any class-based shields.

just in case you were wondering, I was using shield breaker but replaced it for another set cause i missed having a GOOD set bonus that helped against everything(including GOOD sorcs) not just bad sorcs.)

@Angarato are you EU? I'd love to duel you with me Cloak spamming NB that you can counter so easily.

SB set is a lazy fix to a "problem" which basically boils down to "OMG sorcs OP."

I think the best way to solve the real problem is just remove annulment from the game. Replace light armor active skill with something else. Harness Magicka (combined with hardened and healing ward) puts magic sorcs on a pedestal against other magic classes. Good stamina builds always had a fair shot at taking out sorcs (after stamina became viable) but annulment and its morphs really favor magic sorcs over other magic classes, considering how they can use other shields and basically ignore most spell damage.

With all the ways to mitigate spell damage in the CP system I think we can all do without Harness Magicka, then maybe some of the QQ against sorcs can stop. I for one wouldn't have anything to complain about sorcs except that they have 3 skill bars if Annulment (which is really just magic users trolling other magic users) were gone.

Edit: I did not consider PvE when I thought of this, but as I usually don't consider PvE when theorycrafting, someone else can work out those details. I would miss having a 15k dmg shield in dungeons but for the sake of PvP I think annulment needs to go.

Darkrider wrote: »

If you want them to nerf shield breaker or get rid of it, then they should lower the damage shield of the sorcerer even more. Don't complain about fixing something when it's not broken. If you don't like it, then don't rely on your shield to stay alive, up your dps game then.

Do you recognise yourself here?

Alcast wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darkrider wrote: »

If you want them to nerf shield breaker or get rid of it, then they should lower the damage shield of the sorcerer even more. Don't complain about fixing something when it's not broken. If you don't like it, then don't rely on your shield to stay alive, up your dps game then.

Me when i read this^


Are you aware that evil hunter goes through shield breaker so that players can do up to around 10k through a shield? Can you seriously sit there and tell me that this set is NOT broken? Read the rest of the posts about it and have a think please because your either a NB or you have no clue what your talking about.

get rid of vamp. pronlem solved

Well evil hunter proccs on normal players too... Not that it makes any sense but yeh.

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I think I have 3 death recaps with Xeloki in it. All three with at least one camo proc with 4-5k dmg while I am neither vamp, nor WW. Sorry, dont be delusional.

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Fenrlr wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

because I wouldn't even feel like I had accomplished a single thing if I won.

That's the same reason i decided to never roll a sorc

I've been a sorc since the day I started playing the game and I'm currently levelling a Templar because I'm tired of people saying that. Yes we have shields and stack them well over 30k, we deal HUGE damage and never take any back because we can streak away from danger as much as we want and shield again, we have infinite magicka pools and we never EVER have to block because shields. (Got a bit carried away sorry)

To sit and say that it doesn't take any skill to play sorc is completely ridiculous.

That's the problem. Chou shouldn't have to reroll. Help us find balance. Come up with ideas to help fix the problem. In this case it is shield stacking

What changed that wasn't here at the beginning of the game allowing this? The damn champion system. The only viable counter was to attack their stamina. champion system fix led that. Along with guardian set. I literally had a guy that I burnt with my Magicka DK /t me that watch out. Once he got his cp's up he would ..... my face. Turns out he was right.

I'm all for being able to crit shields, I think that would be a lot more of a balance than shieldbreaker anyway, 100% mitigation with a crit would seem reasonable against shields and I see that as being more of a fix IMO.

How does that fix it though? The. The sorc just recasts in a second. The. When it doesn't crit you are dead

If you don't have the necessary defence against a Sorc you have other problems than breaking theirs. >_>

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

And as stated many times and even by the mouth of ZOS shield break is not OP and is not changing or gonna go.

Cause here's the thing in order to have shield breaker you need to be trained in medium armor and wast 5,000 TVS to buy the 5 parts at VR15 and 50,000 TVS you need to farm 4-5 hours in sewers on its VR16 counter part and replace your current set with it and not many players are gonna do that because as said again many times before shield breaker is a 1 trick pony.

Get over it shields have a counter now. Now all we need is for detect potions and AOEs buffed up and we have a counter to cloak again.

Corrected that for you. It sure is quite a struggle wow

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

And as stated many times and even by the mouth of ZOS shield break is not OP and is not changing or gonna go.

Cause here's the thing in order to have shield breaker you need to be trained in medium armor and wast 5,000 TVS to buy the 5 parts at VR15 and 50,000 TVS you need to farm 4-5 hours in sewers on its VR16 counter part and replace your current set with it and not many players are gonna do that because as said again many times before shield breaker is a 1 trick pony.

Get over it shields have a counter now. Now all we need is for detect potions and AOEs buffed up and we have a counter to cloak again.

Not even, it takes about 10 min to buy a set of shield breaker from guild stores. Another 10 min for load screens if you want to scope out the best prices. Boom, done, zero effort. Not many players are gona do that? That statement is so wrong you are either woefully ignorant or deliberately downplaying it.

Tossing our Eric Wrobel's comment that they don't plan to change Shield Breaker? You are aware that he is the same person who said people melt in Wall of Elements? The same person who didn't know the name of Hunding's Rage set? Given how out of touch w/ the game the devs are, it's hardly a striking endorsement for you. Let's not forget, these are the people who made Talons blockable.

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Fenrlr wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

because I wouldn't even feel like I had accomplished a single thing if I won.

That's the same reason i decided to never roll a sorc

I've been a sorc since the day I started playing the game and I'm currently levelling a Templar because I'm tired of people saying that. Yes we have shields and stack them well over 30k, we deal HUGE damage and never take any back because we can streak away from danger as much as we want and shield again, we have infinite magicka pools and we never EVER have to block because shields. (Got a bit carried away sorry)

To sit and say that it doesn't take any skill to play sorc is completely ridiculous.

That's the problem. Chou shouldn't have to reroll. Help us find balance. Come up with ideas to help fix the problem. In this case it is shield stacking

What changed that wasn't here at the beginning of the game allowing this? The damn champion system. The only viable counter was to attack their stamina. champion system fix led that. Along with guardian set. I literally had a guy that I burnt with my Magicka DK /t me that watch out. Once he got his cp's up he would ..... my face. Turns out he was right.

I'm all for being able to crit shields, I think that would be a lot more of a balance than shieldbreaker anyway, 100% mitigation with a crit would seem reasonable against shields and I see that as being more of a fix IMO.

How does that fix it though? The. The sorc just recasts in a second. The. When it doesn't crit you are dead

With being able to crit shields you could do a lot more damage to them because as I've ALREADY SAID (feel like a broken record on the forum) you get 100% mitigation and then the crit on top of that would do nice damage overall but to simply just be able to go through the shield with up to 10k damage is disgusting and should never have been what SB was.

Not really in the mood for typing essays again for people who clearly haven't read what I've wrote but as I've spoofed your other post I'll tell you the my name is The Bald Mage and if you haven't heard of me IDGAF. Keep defending SB all you like but at some point or another your gona realise yourself how stupid this set is when your team fires a healing ward on you and your a non vamp but still take like 8k damage just from your team trying to give you a helping hand. Yes it does most affect sorcs but your all gona get a death from it at some point just a lot less than us.

B R O K E N.

Then read all my posts hypocrit. Long before shield breaker came out I was advocating removing shield stacking. You ignore that just like all the other sorcs because that would bring balance. But sorcs just want to hide behind their shields.

Critable shields is a solution. Just not the best one.

I don't think this is entirely accurate. I would be fine with critable shields... many sorcs I know don't shield stack but rather depend on their class shield. I think the only time I use multiple shields is in duels against a magicka user who I know is extremely strong. Even then, I usually just prefer the one shield.

Honestly they should not have allowed shield stacking to begin with, but as with any mechanic that is allowed... people will use what's available to them. I know this includes SB. I don't agree with this, but it's there.

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Fenrlr wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

because I wouldn't even feel like I had accomplished a single thing if I won.

That's the same reason i decided to never roll a sorc

I've been a sorc since the day I started playing the game and I'm currently levelling a Templar because I'm tired of people saying that. Yes we have shields and stack them well over 30k, we deal HUGE damage and never take any back because we can streak away from danger as much as we want and shield again, we have infinite magicka pools and we never EVER have to block because shields. (Got a bit carried away sorry)

To sit and say that it doesn't take any skill to play sorc is completely ridiculous.

That's the problem. Chou shouldn't have to reroll. Help us find balance. Come up with ideas to help fix the problem. In this case it is shield stacking

What changed that wasn't here at the beginning of the game allowing this? The damn champion system. The only viable counter was to attack their stamina. champion system fix led that. Along with guardian set. I literally had a guy that I burnt with my Magicka DK /t me that watch out. Once he got his cp's up he would ..... my face. Turns out he was right.

I'm all for being able to crit shields, I think that would be a lot more of a balance than shieldbreaker anyway, 100% mitigation with a crit would seem reasonable against shields and I see that as being more of a fix IMO.

How does that fix it though? The. The sorc just recasts in a second. The. When it doesn't crit you are dead

With being able to crit shields you could do a lot more damage to them because as I've ALREADY SAID (feel like a broken record on the forum) you get 100% mitigation and then the crit on top of that would do nice damage overall but to simply just be able to go through the shield with up to 10k damage is disgusting and should never have been what SB was.

Not really in the mood for typing essays again for people who clearly haven't read what I've wrote but as I've spoofed your other post I'll tell you the my name is The Bald Mage and if you haven't heard of me IDGAF. Keep defending SB all you like but at some point or another your gona realise yourself how stupid this set is when your team fires a healing ward on you and your a non vamp but still take like 8k damage just from your team trying to give you a helping hand. Yes it does most affect sorcs but your all gona get a death from it at some point just a lot less than us.

B R O K E N.

Just as broken as shield stacking indeed. Plague vs pestilence story

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Fenrlr wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

because I wouldn't even feel like I had accomplished a single thing if I won.

That's the same reason i decided to never roll a sorc

I've been a sorc since the day I started playing the game and I'm currently levelling a Templar because I'm tired of people saying that. Yes we have shields and stack them well over 30k, we deal HUGE damage and never take any back because we can streak away from danger as much as we want and shield again, we have infinite magicka pools and we never EVER have to block because shields. (Got a bit carried away sorry)

To sit and say that it doesn't take any skill to play sorc is completely ridiculous.

That's the problem. Chou shouldn't have to reroll. Help us find balance. Come up with ideas to help fix the problem. In this case it is shield stacking

What changed that wasn't here at the beginning of the game allowing this? The damn champion system. The only viable counter was to attack their stamina. champion system fix led that. Along with guardian set. I literally had a guy that I burnt with my Magicka DK /t me that watch out. Once he got his cp's up he would ..... my face. Turns out he was right.

I'm all for being able to crit shields, I think that would be a lot more of a balance than shieldbreaker anyway, 100% mitigation with a crit would seem reasonable against shields and I see that as being more of a fix IMO.

How does that fix it though? The. The sorc just recasts in a second. The. When it doesn't crit you are dead

With being able to crit shields you could do a lot more damage to them because as I've ALREADY SAID (feel like a broken record on the forum) you get 100% mitigation and then the crit on top of that would do nice damage overall but to simply just be able to go through the shield with up to 10k damage is disgusting and should never have been what SB was.

Not really in the mood for typing essays again for people who clearly haven't read what I've wrote but as I've spoofed your other post I'll tell you the my name is The Bald Mage and if you haven't heard of me IDGAF. Keep defending SB all you like but at some point or another your gona realise yourself how stupid this set is when your team fires a healing ward on you and your a non vamp but still take like 8k damage just from your team trying to give you a helping hand. Yes it does most affect sorcs but your all gona get a death from it at some point just a lot less than us.

B R O K E N.

Then read all my posts hypocrit. Long before shield breaker came out I was advocating removing shield stacking. You ignore that just like all the other sorcs because that would bring balance. But sorcs just want to hide behind their shields.

Critable shields is a solution. Just not the best one.

The problem with non stackable shields would be:

1. They´d have to rework harnessmagica / dampen magic. A magica only shield that can not be combined with other shields it pretty obsolete with the popularity of stamina builds currently.
2. Healing ward would have to be reworked as you could no longer reliably heal allies if they had a shield for themselves. ZOS once stated they liked the healingward mechanic bc it was different from templar bol healing.

These two things make unstackable shields highly unlikely as they´d require work and rebalancing.
I´m all for unstackable shields though. I hate sorcs hiding behind harness + hardened and healingward once they drop low. Still most of them die anyways.

Just paraphrasing what Eric Wrobel said on ESO Live about 2 minutes ago:

So there's been a lot of talk about Shield Breaker on the forums. I think it's a very polarizing issue. I think Shield Breaker is a lot of fun for people using it, maybe less fun for people being killed by it. [...] I think it helps because now you can't just put 3 shields on your bar and have all those shields. [...] We may look at adding ability based counters to shields as well in the future.

Wow. Just wow. Not even a single acknowledgement of the Evil Hunter procing through shields w/ Shield Breaker bug, or the fact that Shield Breaker does not follow Battle Spirit damage reduction, or the fact that Shield Breaker procs on Harness Magicka w/ physical attacks.