Whats the point? Stamplar questions

SemiD4rkness · October 2015

My main is a vr6 Stamplar.
Ive been reading a lot and found out that:
Stamina templar is not the highest DD in pve.
Stamina templar is not viable in pvp

I want to reach end game to be a beast at both pvp and pve and being able to do that with the same class.
I also wanted to try out turning into a healer but im a Redguard so its not the best option.
The only reason i got stuck with this character is because i became emperor with it and i really love seing the title ''former emperor'' because it was super hard for me to get it since i wasnt even in a guild at the time so it shows some kind of accomplishment after so many months of playing.

So the question is, should i focus on leveling another class since all i want to do is reach vr16 and be good both at pvp and pve.

Stigant · October 2015

Stick to your character mate

@Alcast has a great PvE Stamplar DD build that you can use for PvE. Which you can find HERE

In PvP, well, Stamplar is rumored to be weak but in my own experience you can do quite well if you go for 5 Heavy Armor / 2 medium + S&B/2H ... you will be able to put out decent damage while staying quite tanky. It all comes down to "what are you able to get out of that character" as a player.

OmniDevil · October 2015

Nothing wrong with Stamplar in PvE or PvP.

I do just fine in both scenarios. It comes down to your build and playstyle. In PvP, it's all about strategy and intelligent use of skills.

AfkNinja · October 2015

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Stamina templar is not viable in pvp

Who told you that? Biting Jabs is like the hardest hitting spam-able skill around and Templar's can get quite tanky. Just make your own build and tweak it till it works.

cjthibs · October 2015

Do your own research man.
Stamplar is fun and totally viable.

AfkNinja · October 2015

Also the "point" is at the end of the spear. The sharp part, you stab people with it and look cooler than everyone else. Templar master race ftw.

Waffennacht · October 2015

If you're stamina just run WB and you're instantly PvP viable

Mumyo · October 2015

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

My main is a vr6 Stamplar.
Ive been reading a lot and found out that:
Stamina templar is not the highest DD in pve.
Stamina templar is not viable in pvp

I want to reach end game to be a beast at both pvp and pve and being able to do that with the same class.
I also wanted to try out turning into a healer but im a Redguard so its not the best option.
The only reason i got stuck with this character is because i became emperor with it and i really love seing the title ''former emperor'' because it was super hard for me to get it since i wasnt even in a guild at the time so it shows some kind of accomplishment after so many months of playing.

So the question is, should i focus on leveling another class since all i want to do is reach vr16 and be good both at pvp and pve.

Stamina Templar has big issues in pvp and can be outplayed easily for people who know the mechanics.
Jabs for instant can be laughted at if u talon him since he cant change the direction of his jabs in talons.
He has good dps but a huge lack of burst since he only can spam jabs or wb.
The jabdamage scaling on shields is bugged and that will make it almost impossible as stamplar to kill a sorc with a brain.
Also the stamplar has almost no efficient ability to waste magicka on and bad cc in comparison to the 3 other classes.
DK has fossilize and talons as example, sorc has encase mines etc. nb has fear or agony.
Templar has javelin and shards which are just situation acceptable.

Stamtemplar can indeed hurt really really bad but thats ist. It is badly designed.

The shield sucks but u can spam it pretty good with rune focus(Magickaregain morph) but again... it really sucks when u run around with 20-25k health.
any other class is better off if u ask me but u can be a gamechanger in a good group when u catch a group in the sewertunnels and jab the sh*t out of them.

Mumyo · October 2015

ah yeah and backlash actually drains ur dps xD
U better level up at least one alternative class u can go on when ure frustrated or u play magicka aswell... magicka is very strong.

Alcast · October 2015

Most important question: What Style of gameplay do you want to run with your character?

PVE:
Stamina Templar is one of the better classes atm. In the end, ALL classes are viable. It always depends if you have figured out the right build or not.
PvP:
You can play your Templar in pvp, but ALWAYS depends on your playstyle. You will need a 2H/Bow setup with shieldbreaker and you will be golden too.
Wblow would be your main damage source because Jabs is weak and hard to be placed right.

Check out this mix I made, it shows all 4 classes stamina based, this was mainly for testing so ppl can see how it could work:

https://youtu.be/meBNJn_ZX0Y

I actually wanted to upload videos of stamina templar in pvp, but I have way too much fun with my Stam DK atm lol

byCrux · October 2015

OmniDevil wrote: »

In PvP, it's all about strategy and intelligent use of skills.

Aka wrecking blow, steel tornado, jabs, etc. spam

OmniDevil · October 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Most important question: What Style of gameplay do you want to run with your character?

PVE:
Stamina Templar is one of the better classes atm. In the end, ALL classes are viable. It always depends if you have figured out the right build or not.
PvP:
You can play your Templar in pvp, but ALWAYS depends on your playstyle. You will need a 2H/Bow setup with shieldbreaker and you will be golden too.
Wblow would be your main damage source because Jabs is weak and hard to be placed right.

Check out this mix I made, it shows all 4 classes stamina based, this was mainly for testing so ppl can see how it could work:

https://youtu.be/meBNJn_ZX0Y

I actually wanted to upload videos of stamina templar in pvp, but I have way too much fun with my Stam DK atm lol

Thanks for stepping in, @Alcast

Always nice to see your input on these threads

Kupoking · October 2015

Oh if stamplar isnt viable in pvp... why do I receive all those hate wispers, because of my awesome xivkin costume?

Nah man lets get serious dont listen to forums.

People know how op biting jabs is. Paired up with reverbating bash if ravages an enemys hp in 1v1.

You also got the cheapest spammable purge in the game which you can spam without magika regen drink buff. Sorc curse, dk dots, nb mark, snares, healing debuff? Nope, i use press that button and all gone.

Other than that you got an awesome 10% more crit damage plus 6% more weapon power in passives which makes a steel tornado hit like a train with no brakes.

Support your team with repentance and your group will invite you again to fight for another day.

Ill confess though, ults are avg (but hey someone needs to run barrier and horn in grps) and they lack of a good aoe disable which sorc got with negate and streak, dks got with cheap leap, nb got with soul tether...

SemiD4rkness · October 2015

Well i think ill keep leveling it until max lvl and after that if im not tired of the game ill lvl up ann alt just for pvp

AfkNinja · October 2015

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Well i think ill keep leveling it until max lvl and after that if im not tired of the game ill lvl up ann alt just for pvp

No need, Templar is boss in pvp if you play well. It's all about player skill.

xaraan · October 2015

There are a couple of crazy strong stamplars in pvp out there that are very highly ranked as well. They've had a lot of success and that class can kick some serious butt as a stam build - I'd stick with it.

zornyan · October 2015

Stamplars and even magiplars are awesome in pve and pvp. As has been mentioned by others in pve a stamplar is the highest dps classes around, and even as a stam build can support the group through spears and repentance.

Obviously magicka templars are the single best healers, and can still support great dps, my magicka templar is hitting nearly 4k spell damage and 38k magicka. He hits like a truck, and radiant destruction is a guaranteed kill if used on anyone below 30% hp.

Honestly as a stamplar in pvp, use dw and 2h, buff up on the 2h bar, and slot crit rush as a gap closer /snare, and then use jabelin, spam biting jabs and watch the health bar drop. Biting jabs on a stam build stacking weapon damage hits insanely hard, and as long as you use common sense (like cc/knockback/stun) before spamming it, you'll land all 4 hits and rip the health down

AtraisMachina · March 2016

AfkNinja wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Stamina templar is not viable in pvp

Who told you that? Biting Jabs is like the hardest hitting spam-able skill around and Templar's can get quite tanky. Just make your own build and tweak it till it works.

Ill put my ten cents in. My first advice to you is 50% 60% of the people who talk to you about stamplars dont play stamplars. And I dont say this to be mean I say it because you cant base your charater sheet the same as an equivelent stam build for the most part and playing a stamplar in PvE is drastically different than playing one with wrecking blow in pvp. Yes you can run a legitimatly competitive build in PvP if you use two hand. Without it i have yet to find an ACTUALLY competitive build.

As for PvE I love playing my stampler! It extrodinarily challangimg compared to all my other toon, but at the same time I can pull very high dps if im tight with rotations. Bow dw is the way too go currently for PvE. Ill be putting up my build on the foundry within the month after I test all my sets.

As for the quote this is a perfect example of someone who doesnt play a stamplar because this is actually the main point of playing a stamplar.

If you want to be competitive and deal equivalent dps as other classes you will die ALOT stamplars are by far the least survivable dps class in the game and id love to hear an argument against it from someone who actually plays one lol.

ryanborror · March 2016

You've already got emperor then you must be doing something right. The best pvp players are those who stick to their build and learn their classes despite what the fotm is. don't reroll because of other people's misinformation. The fact is Stam Templar is one of the harder classes to truly get the most out of. They lack mobility, range, and most of their class skills are unusable. If you put in the time to really test and learn your character you'll get more out of it. Please don't reroll a sorc or nightblade just because people tell you their naive opinions.

SirAndy · March 2016

One of my main characters is a medium armor Bosmer 2H Stamplar and he can solo pretty much anything the game can throw at him, including Craglorn and most group dungeons.

Never done any PvP with that character though, so i can't comment on that ...

Brrrofski · March 2016

I run sword and board and 2h for buff in pvp.

22k health, 33k stam, 2150 stam regen, 4k weapon damage after a light attack.

Invasion, ransack bash weave, few jabs, game over. Wearwolf if it doesn't do the job. Dead bodies means potentially endless stam through repentance.

Magica dump in a purify and a rune for extra resist.

My stamplar is incredibly strong in pvp. Only downside is mobility, but s&b plus rune means I can stand my ground abd defend my house instead. Javelin buff and major mending next patch.

Stuck with it and find a build that works for you. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

MormondPayne_EP · March 2016

Stigant wrote: »

Stick to your character mate

@Alcast has a great PvE Stamplar DD build that you can use for PvE. Which you can find HERE

In PvP, well, Stamplar is rumored to be weak but in my own experience you can do quite well if you go for 5 Heavy Armor / 2 medium + S&B/2H ... you will be able to put out decent damage while staying quite tanky. It all comes down to "what are you able to get out of that character" as a player.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM... you HAVE to go 2 Hander... Its *** ridiculous and ZOS need to wake the efffff up.

Templar's need a rebalance and so does 2 Hander. There is a reason that 90% of Stam builds are 2 Handed cheese machines and that is because 2 Hander grants the following:
1) High Damage from WB
2) Bugged CC from Wrecking blow
3) Empower from...wait for it... Wrecking blow
4) Major Brutality from Rally
5) HoT and Burst Heal from Rally

One skill line should not grant High damage, empower, brutality, HoT and Burst healing from 2 skills let alone the whole skill line... This is not even talking about the passives grant big bursts of regen and other beneifts.

2 Hander is a massive problem in the game currently and needs to be addressed as all other weapon skill lines do not grant anything comparable to the damage, CC, heals and tankiness of 2H.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · March 2016

there are a lot of crybabies that think anything which doesent score the absolute highest dps check is non-viable garbage. there are certainly good stamplars out there.
hopefully you picked a good stamina race.
repentance is one of the best abilities in the game for stamina builds. you basically have to use wrecking blow, but hey wb is OP so its not that bad.

AfkNinja wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Stamina templar is not viable in pvp

Who told you that? Biting Jabs is like the hardest hitting spam-able skill around and Templar's can get quite tanky. Just make your own build and tweak it till it works.

and on top of that the new dot cp buffs jabbs even more!

AJ_1988 · March 2016

Red guard healer is viable the stamina Passives will be handy for breaking cc. I'm an imperial Templar and I can heal awesome. Once you build up your cp you will be fine also armour sets and Jewelry sets help offset the lack of magicka racial Passives. I did start a high elf Templar but cbf with the grind and cbf working towards emperor again. Like you I got emp on my characters on my own. I usually run 5pc julianos 3pc willpower Jewelry and 4pc Magnus all light.
I'm now about to run 5pc julianos light 2pc tourags heavy 1ring willpower and dw willpower and ring+neck endurance all with arcane for more magicka. So my regen isn't really much different from previous setups and also have a lot more spell power and health.

I'm doing 5heavy and 2 light atm and it works awesome in pvp. It's all about how you build and what you want to do. Research goes a long way but most of the time it's trial and error and what works for you.

Alcast · March 2016

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Stigant wrote: »

Stick to your character mate

@Alcast has a great PvE Stamplar DD build that you can use for PvE. Which you can find HERE

In PvP, well, Stamplar is rumored to be weak but in my own experience you can do quite well if you go for 5 Heavy Armor / 2 medium + S&B/2H ... you will be able to put out decent damage while staying quite tanky. It all comes down to "what are you able to get out of that character" as a player.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM... you HAVE to go 2 Hander... Its *** ridiculous and ZOS need to wake the efffff up.

Templar's need a rebalance and so does 2 Hander. There is a reason that 90% of Stam builds are 2 Handed cheese machines and that is because 2 Hander grants the following:
1) High Damage from WB
2) Bugged CC from Wrecking blow
3) Empower from...wait for it... Wrecking blow
4) Major Brutality from Rally
5) HoT and Burst Heal from Rally

One skill line should not grant High damage, empower, brutality, HoT and Burst healing from 2 skills let alone the whole skill line... This is not even talking about the passives grant big bursts of regen and other beneifts.

2 Hander is a massive problem in the game currently and needs to be addressed as all other weapon skill lines do not grant anything comparable to the damage, CC, heals and tankiness of 2H.

2H is fine, DW just needs a buff. Problem is like always:

PvE:
2H sucks, DW is good

PvP:
Dw sucks, 2H is good

SemiD4rkness · March 2016

Guys guys take it easy... I dont know why I got an answer 5 months later. Im already a vr16 templar 100 vp away from cap

AfkNinja · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Guys guys take it easy... I dont know why I got an answer 5 months later. Im already a vr16 templar 100 vp away from cap

Awesome. Welcome to /Templarland

Solariken · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Guys guys take it easy... I dont know why I got an answer 5 months later. Im already a vr16 templar 100 vp away from cap

Haha, it's funny to see the random threads people necro sometimes. By now I'm sure you have learned to play well with your stamplar despite the obvious shortcomings in class synergy and resource regen. Stamplar is harder than most classes to play but can still be really effective.