Miraak the first Dragonborn in ESO

Digielf · October 2015

Since Miraak was the first Dragonborn that existed and the final boss of Skyrim is there any chance to see him and maybe fight him in ESO ?This will also tie up the story of how he died in the past and then at the end he will say something ''il return again'' etc meaning that he will ressurect again in Skyrim after a lot of years. The Elder Scrolls franchise even if its from the most popular for some reason the characters of the games arent remembered at all, they are easily forgotten and Miraak is one of the few ones who became famous along with Alduin and the Daedric Princes so i guess we could see him here sometime.

Scyantific · October 2015

No. He's stuck in Herma-Mora's realm. No need to bring him back.

Digielf · October 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

No. He's stuck in Herma-Mora's realm. No need to bring him back.

No i mean now in ESO we are in the past , Skyrim is in the future. Miraak died once in the past too but we dont know how he died thats the point maybe WE killed him in the past he didnt had to do anything with Mora back then

UrQuan · October 2015

Yeah, Miraak has been imprisoned in Apocrypha since the Merethic era, so unless we go and visit Hermaeus Mora's home, I don't see how we could encounter him in ESO.

Having said that, Hermaeus Mora is the coolest, and I want to visit Apocrypha! Um, in the game. Probably not in real life. That would be terrifying.

UrQuan · October 2015

Doflamingo wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

No. He's stuck in Herma-Mora's realm. No need to bring him back.

No i mean now in ESO we are in the past , Skyrim is in the future. Miraak died once in the past too but we dont know how he died thats the point maybe WE killed him in the past he didnt had to do anything with Mora back then

No, he didn't die. He was defeated by Vahlok in a duel, and taken away by Hermaeus Mora before the killing blow could be delivered.

Digielf · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Doflamingo wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

No. He's stuck in Herma-Mora's realm. No need to bring him back.

No i mean now in ESO we are in the past , Skyrim is in the future. Miraak died once in the past too but we dont know how he died thats the point maybe WE killed him in the past he didnt had to do anything with Mora back then

No, he didn't die. He was defeated by Vahlok in a duel, and taken away by Hermaeus Mora before the killing blow could be delivered.

ah then my mistake

Robo_Hobo · October 2015

Miraak's time is far before ESO even still. Miraak was around in the Dragon War times, which is the early parts of when Nords first came to Skyrim (or well the second time with Ysgramor and his 500).

Well, actually a bit after that, 'cause they didn't immediately start warring, but still rather long ago.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · October 2015

Bend Will Vestige is now forced to kill themselves....Bend WIll Vestige is Dead Again...Bend Will Vestige is Dead Again and so fourth, Miraak keepis bending your will and forcing you to suicide.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Hermaeus Mora is a doosh in this game though...

TX12001rwb17_ESO · October 2015

Did I neglect to mention the presence of Miraak being Dragonborn would make him the true emperor by divine right and the silly little 3 banners war would be meaningless, this is why it is so easy to lose your emporership in cyrodiil becuse you are not the true emperor for in the 2nd era only a Dragonborn can be Emperor.

And the likelihood of Miraak wanting to become emperor if he somehow escaped apocyrpha would be quite high as when one is emperor they can relight the dragonfires........well we all know what would happen then.

Kuroinu · October 2015

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Did I neglect to mention the presence of Miraak being Dragonborn would make him the true emperor by divine right and the silly little 3 banners war would be meaningless, this is why it is so easy to lose your emporership in cyrodiil becuse you are not the true emperor for in the 2nd era only a Dragonborn can be Emperor.

And the likelihood of Miraak wanting to become emperor if he somehow escaped apocyrpha would be quite high as when one is emperor they can relight the dragonfires........well we all know what would happen then.

Miraak please save us from Molag Bal and this Alliance war. We need a DLC where we can assist Miraak in escaping Apocrypha(for a time lorejunkies) and in turn he will relight the dragonfires and Molag Bal can get the f**k out!

#MiraakForEmperor

BlackEar · October 2015

I would like to see him as public dungeon boss, like the special group boss in every public dungeon.

Enodoc · October 2015

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Did I neglect to mention the presence of Miraak being Dragonborn would make him the true emperor by divine right and the silly little 3 banners war would be meaningless, this is why it is so easy to lose your emporership in cyrodiil becuse you are not the true emperor for in the 2nd era only a Dragonborn can be Emperor.

Only a Dragonborn can be Emperor, but no-one ever said that every Dragonborn has the right to be Emperor.

Iccotak · January 2018

Miraak could return in a Hermaues Mora centered DLC, in the story he would serve more as a secondary antagonist as servant to Mora.
A storyline between Shalidor and Miraak would be awesome.

Vanthras79 · January 2018

Enodoc wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Did I neglect to mention the presence of Miraak being Dragonborn would make him the true emperor by divine right and the silly little 3 banners war would be meaningless, this is why it is so easy to lose your emporership in cyrodiil becuse you are not the true emperor for in the 2nd era only a Dragonborn can be Emperor.

Only a Dragonborn can be Emperor, but no-one ever said that every Dragonborn has the right to be Emperor.

I always imagined my Dragonborn from ES V would march on the Imperial City and declare himself Emperor! Sometime around 4E 201

Leandor · January 2018

2.5 year necro....

Huyen · January 2018

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Hermaeus Mora is a doosh in this game though...

Its a daedric prince, what else did you expect? They are all dooshes, one way or another...

Stewart1874 · January 2018

Hermaeus Mora is one of the princes I'd like to see explored a bit further. I find Sheogorath a bit tedious tbh and the humour a bit too contrived sometimes. HM is serious and I think a more fulfilling story could be built on that.

pauli133 · January 2018

Stewart1874 wrote: »

Hermaeus Mora is one of the princes I'd like to see explored a bit further.

Cause THAT always ends well.

Izaki · January 2018

UrQuan wrote: »

Doflamingo wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

No. He's stuck in Herma-Mora's realm. No need to bring him back.

No i mean now in ESO we are in the past , Skyrim is in the future. Miraak died once in the past too but we dont know how he died thats the point maybe WE killed him in the past he didnt had to do anything with Mora back then

No, he didn't die. He was defeated by Vahlok in a duel, and taken away by Hermaeus Mora before the killing blow could be delivered.

Funny thing was that Vahlok wasn't even that cool or unique or anything and that that part of the story was kind of breezed over. It kind of made Miraak look like a bit of a whimp.

Iccotak · January 2018

Izaki wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Doflamingo wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

No. He's stuck in Herma-Mora's realm. No need to bring him back.

No i mean now in ESO we are in the past , Skyrim is in the future. Miraak died once in the past too but we dont know how he died thats the point maybe WE killed him in the past he didnt had to do anything with Mora back then

No, he didn't die. He was defeated by Vahlok in a duel, and taken away by Hermaeus Mora before the killing blow could be delivered.

Funny thing was that Vahlok wasn't even that cool or unique or anything and that that part of the story was kind of breezed over. It kind of made Miraak look like a bit of a whimp.

Skyrim had two major writing issues. I love it to bits and pieces but it is not beyond criticism.
1. consistent issue of underselling and undermining its villains.
-No one really understood or cared about the threat of the Dragons and Alduin
-The Vampires were glossed over if you sided with the Dawnguard and the Dawnguard was glossed over if you sided with the vampires.
-Hardly anyone knew anything about Miraak and one of the supporting characters did not take him seriously (Neloth) only the Skaal feared Miraak.

2. The Main quests were too short
- the main quests often did not explain enough and/or rushed things so they did not build things up properly, making them feel anti-climactic.
- Many of the "side quests" should have actually been a part of the main quest.
Example: The quest that explained why Miraak was in Apocrypha and who Vahlok was, wasn't part of the main quest it was a side story that could be done whenever.
Example #2: The Greybeards should have sent you out on the Word Wall "side" quests before sending you to get the Horn of Jurgen Windcaller.

Vahlok should have had his own unique gear and instead of being someone the Dragonborn fights he should have been a character you talk with who gives you advice on what to do about Miraak.

Overall, storylines were too short, didn't show enough, and rewarded the player too quickly as result. A power fantasy is more rewarding when you earn it.

jssriot · January 2018

Please, no, I'm still pissed at the dude for stealing my dragon souls.

CardboardedBox · January 2018

I just want his slappy tentacle sword. That thing was fun.

maboleth · January 2018

Iccotak wrote: »

Overall, storylines were too short, didn't show enough, and rewarded the player too quickly as result. A power fantasy is more rewarding when you earn it.

You don't have to do them in order. I always do main quest and side quests parallel with each other. Especially those that feel connected with each other or are bound to certain place.
But again, you have to play main quest(s) at least twice to really get into the story! There are so many little details during questing that you can miss and not see, yet they are important and make the immersion much deeper and better.

Iccotak · January 2018

maboleth wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Overall, storylines were too short, didn't show enough, and rewarded the player too quickly as result. A power fantasy is more rewarding when you earn it.

You don't have to do them in order. I always do main quest and side quests parallel with each other. Especially those that feel connected with each other or are bound to certain place.
But again, you have to play main quest(s) at least twice to really get into the story! There are so many little details during questing that you can miss and not see, yet they are important and make the immersion much deeper and better.

Exactly. Many of the side quests provide details that make the Main Quests better. Dragonborn is really guilty of this. There are details about Miraak you are completely unaware of if you don't do side quest storylines.
However, the Dark Brotherhood and Companions storylines are actually way too short even if you do the side quests.

Thats one thing that I think Oblivion and ESO do better in the writing department. They build storylines up over the course of time as you level. The main questline is specifically designed to go from 1-50 and they pace it out as you do all the quests to help your alliance and make the final Boss Molag Bal more worth it.

Here is this video that I found summed up my problems with the guilds in Skyrim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHkjchvpcC0

Ankael07 · January 2018

Some people wont rest until this game becomes Skyrim Online. We need new lore in this game not the other way around.

turlisley · April 2023

Do we meet Miraak in ESO's Apocrypha Necrom Chapter?

TaSheen · April 2023

ugh - second or third necro.

ZOS_Phoenix · April 2023

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