I Think I'm Officially Done With Imperial City...

mr_wazzabi · October 2015

Unfortunately, it looks like IC gear is better than what we're getting with Orsinium, meaning TV and trophy farming is still needed for alts and newer players. At least for stamina dps.

There is no stamina based jewelery set in Orsinium and the medium armour sers are so-so.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Unfortunately, it looks like IC gear is better than what we're getting with Orsinium, meaning TV and trophy farming is still needed for alts and newer players. At least for stamina dps.

There is no stamina based jewelery set in Orsinium and the medium armour sers are so-so.

At least it will be half price, right? .. I think... and the Tooth/Claw drop rate has been increased too, apparently.

DaveMoeDee · October 2015

gen_reynard2050 wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

You could go to gated access campaign, take the city for your alliance and then farm safely, but you chose not to do that and these are the consequences.

Some players are just too lazy to pvp, thye just wan instant access to IC and grind all the things then leave. Then next day cont....all campaigns should gated, and those players who wan access to IC, should help to def the keeps... is should be like tissss....

Laziness has nothing to do with it.

And gating just means that if you want access, you should be in the faction with the most overall players who always has a buff campaign.

Arunei · October 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

They got you legit. you should have had eyes open for bosses m8, thats on you.

Food on them taking you out Hope it was AD lol, great stone stealing.

Yeah, legit. Dragging a boss over after failing to kill OP 2v1, then waiting until the boss had pretty much nuked them before hitting with a tiny amount of damage to get the "killing blow"...If you can't see the problem here you're either blind or also enjoy being lazy and getting Stones for pretty much 0% effort.

Which is OP's main issue - people putting 0% effort into earning the Stones. I don't care who you are, you should only get Stones from someone if YOU did more damage than any NPCs that you may or may not have dragged over to do the work for you.

This is what people are failing to understand. It's not that other players are killing us that's making us PO'ed, it's the fact that there are a lot of people are using cheap, underhanded, lazy tactics such as what OP described. Wanna drag a boss over to someone? Go right ahead, but then actually WORK to take out that person, instead of waiting from a safe distance doing jack all until the person has a sliver of HP remaining and then going "hurr durr tiem 4 stones lol" and doing barely any damage to get the killing blow.

It's not good game design, it only promotes laziness.

The Phoenix set screwed the OP over more than the boss. As far as I can tell from the recap, the boss got the first killing blow. The ganker got the post Phoenix killing blow.

Indeed, the one time you probably don't want your set proccing on you. The main issue here though is unchanged, that being that it shouldn't be possible to claim a kill by waiting for NPCs to wear down your target and then tossing out a single attack to get their Stones.

The only part of this I agree with is NBs using bosses like pets. Cloak should not deaggro bosses. However, I am okay with attacking people that are fighting NPCs. That is part of IC. Arrange your build to handle it or form a small group.

I never said it wasn't okay to fight someone who was already fighting mobs. In fact:

Wanna drag a boss over to someone? Go right ahead, but then actually WORK to take out that person, instead of waiting from a safe distance doing jack all until the person has a sliver of HP remaining and then going "hurr durr tiem 4 stones lol" and doing barely any damage to get the killing blow.

I said that in one of my posts earlier. I very clearly said that it's not getting attacked or even ganked that's the problem. The problem is people who will wait out of the "danger zone" for you to have just a tiny bit of HP left, then fire off some weak attack to get the "killing blow" and get pretty much all your Stones for 0% effort. Are you honestly saying that's good game design? It rewards the people who do nothing and punishes the people who are actually out questing or grinding mobs or doing whatever it is that they do to earn their Stones.

That's why I'm saying enemy players should only get Stones from you if they do more damage than any mobs or bosses you might be fighting. You might say "oh but what if the mob/boss does 51% damage, then I don't get the Stones", but the simple way around that is to find people are aren't currently fighting anything. It would actually encourage people to travel around and not just lurk in one spot with a lot of traffic ninja-murdering people who take on the mobs.

It is good game design for what they were going for. Getting ganked when you are unprepared to deal with it is part of the risk of going out to farm solo in imperial city. Either hone your build until you are never unprepared to deal with a ganker, or don't go solo. It only takes 2-3 people with decent amounts of health to dissuade the average ganker.

The only issue in this thread that I agree on is the ability to drag and drop bosses with cloak. There isn't really a counter to that unless you also happen to be a NB. I think bosses should see through cloak and disregard it entirely.

I thiiiiink you're missing part of my point. Again, I'm not saying that being ganked is the main problem here. It's annoying, sure, but it's not where the problem lies. The problem lies in the fact that a person can do next to nothing effort-wise and take all the Stones someone may have spent hours ACTUALLY EARNING.

I mean, I don't know what else I can say to make it more clear. While I hate getting ganked, that's not what I'm taking issue with. Enemies should have to WORK to kill you if they want your Stones. They shouldn't be able to hide just out of aggro range and then be able to fire a single attack to get their target's Stones.

Again, this just rewards lazy people and punishes the people who are actually, y'know, playing the content. It's not good game design, at least not imo (and not in a lot of other peoples' opinion as well, it seems).

RedTalon · October 2015

Thia kids is why you don't walk around with a lot of stones.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Arunei wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

They got you legit. you should have had eyes open for bosses m8, thats on you.

Food on them taking you out Hope it was AD lol, great stone stealing.

Yeah, legit. Dragging a boss over after failing to kill OP 2v1, then waiting until the boss had pretty much nuked them before hitting with a tiny amount of damage to get the "killing blow"...If you can't see the problem here you're either blind or also enjoy being lazy and getting Stones for pretty much 0% effort.

Which is OP's main issue - people putting 0% effort into earning the Stones. I don't care who you are, you should only get Stones from someone if YOU did more damage than any NPCs that you may or may not have dragged over to do the work for you.

This is what people are failing to understand. It's not that other players are killing us that's making us PO'ed, it's the fact that there are a lot of people are using cheap, underhanded, lazy tactics such as what OP described. Wanna drag a boss over to someone? Go right ahead, but then actually WORK to take out that person, instead of waiting from a safe distance doing jack all until the person has a sliver of HP remaining and then going "hurr durr tiem 4 stones lol" and doing barely any damage to get the killing blow.

It's not good game design, it only promotes laziness.

The Phoenix set screwed the OP over more than the boss. As far as I can tell from the recap, the boss got the first killing blow. The ganker got the post Phoenix killing blow.

Indeed, the one time you probably don't want your set proccing on you. The main issue here though is unchanged, that being that it shouldn't be possible to claim a kill by waiting for NPCs to wear down your target and then tossing out a single attack to get their Stones.

The only part of this I agree with is NBs using bosses like pets. Cloak should not deaggro bosses. However, I am okay with attacking people that are fighting NPCs. That is part of IC. Arrange your build to handle it or form a small group.

I never said it wasn't okay to fight someone who was already fighting mobs. In fact:

Wanna drag a boss over to someone? Go right ahead, but then actually WORK to take out that person, instead of waiting from a safe distance doing jack all until the person has a sliver of HP remaining and then going "hurr durr tiem 4 stones lol" and doing barely any damage to get the killing blow.

I said that in one of my posts earlier. I very clearly said that it's not getting attacked or even ganked that's the problem. The problem is people who will wait out of the "danger zone" for you to have just a tiny bit of HP left, then fire off some weak attack to get the "killing blow" and get pretty much all your Stones for 0% effort. Are you honestly saying that's good game design? It rewards the people who do nothing and punishes the people who are actually out questing or grinding mobs or doing whatever it is that they do to earn their Stones.

That's why I'm saying enemy players should only get Stones from you if they do more damage than any mobs or bosses you might be fighting. You might say "oh but what if the mob/boss does 51% damage, then I don't get the Stones", but the simple way around that is to find people are aren't currently fighting anything. It would actually encourage people to travel around and not just lurk in one spot with a lot of traffic ninja-murdering people who take on the mobs.

It is good game design for what they were going for. Getting ganked when you are unprepared to deal with it is part of the risk of going out to farm solo in imperial city. Either hone your build until you are never unprepared to deal with a ganker, or don't go solo. It only takes 2-3 people with decent amounts of health to dissuade the average ganker.

The only issue in this thread that I agree on is the ability to drag and drop bosses with cloak. There isn't really a counter to that unless you also happen to be a NB. I think bosses should see through cloak and disregard it entirely.

I thiiiiink you're missing part of my point. Again, I'm not saying that being ganked is the main problem here. It's annoying, sure, but it's not where the problem lies. The problem lies in the fact that a person can do next to nothing effort-wise and take all the Stones someone may have spent hours ACTUALLY EARNING.

I mean, I don't know what else I can say to make it more clear. While I hate getting ganked, that's not what I'm taking issue with. Enemies should have to WORK to kill you if they want your Stones. They shouldn't be able to hide just out of aggro range and then be able to fire a single attack to get their target's Stones.

Again, this just rewards lazy people and punishes the people who are actually, y'know, playing the content. It's not good game design, at least not imo (and not in a lot of other peoples' opinion as well, it seems).

You hit ze nail right on the head with that one. I remember somebody mentioning the risk vs risk method which would require a ganker to have out a certain amount of stones to receive a certain amount off their target, or something like that. It doesn't really matter anymore, anyway... IC is pretty dead lately so I wouldn't expect any changes to the Tel Var Stones sytem.

GreySix · October 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

This is exactly why I didnt buy IC. It rewards the sociopath.

Quoted for truth.

gen_reynard2050 · October 2015

enemy just outsmart u, doesn't mean he can't fight. Never heard "kill with a borrowed knife". 借刀殺人
and if so worried being ganked, then why IC, should wait OS... #neverendingstory..

Molag_Crow · October 2015

GreySix wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

This is exactly why I didnt buy IC. It rewards the sociopath.

Quoted for truth.

I didn't see that one. Very true indeed.

Xandryah · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I'll tell you why.

In normal circumstances, I wouldn't even bother complaining since it's part of the game and I'm choosing that risk, but losing only 1,300 stones is nothing, it's about the situation.

I've been farming stones for the Xivkyn Polymorph and I've bought 52 Green Lockboxes so far and received nothing. I farm on a Ebonheart Pact dominated campaign for about 2 hours, not every day though.

2 Daggerfall players decide to stealth near my farming spot and wait for me to get low so they can gank me, which is fair, right? but what's annoying is that they purposely drag a boss into me, go stealth with NB cloak so I get aggro and then they gank me with the very last hit so that they get all my stones and run back off to base.

Why do you reward these type of players? why? I'm simply done with IC now and the polymorph of RNG isn't even worth the time.

but... but... how can you get hit with 35k dmg, then 40k dmg, and another 15k dmg and get finished by another 2k dmg? these numbers suggest that you must be a tank with (35+40+15) = 90k hp; maybe you had shields that absorbed 45k and then they reduced your hp in a second phase...ok, it could work...but... 35k is critical damage so it's normal damage would be... 35k / 1.5 = 23k damage ; for 40k (also critical) > 26 k normal damage! those numbers are not very consumer-friendly, right... i can't blame you

NobleNerd · October 2015

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I wish I was done with IC. I need all loot to decon for VR16 mats.

Orsinium will have harvesting nodes for that. You can gather once again for crafting instead of grinding in IC!

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Xandryah wrote: »

but... but... how can you get hit with 35k dmg, then 40k dmg, and another 15k dmg and get finished by another 2k dmg? these numbers suggest that you must be a tank with (35+40+15) = 90k hp; maybe you had shields that absorbed 45k and then they reduced your hp in a second phase...ok, it could work...but... 35k is critical damage so it's normal damage would be... 35k / 1.5 = 23k damage ; for 40k (also critical) > 26 k normal damage! those numbers are not very consumer-friendly, right... i can't blame you

With food buffs I'm 29k health and I was trying to heal through the bosses damage while I had 1 NB on like 30% before he cloak-stealthed, and since I wear Phoenix set, when I die I'm immune to all damage and healing for 3 secs so the damage numbers continued since I died on a few of the bosses AOE's even after the 3 seconds were up etc

FuzzyDuck79 · October 2015

Enigmachina wrote: »

While I empathise with OP over the whole deal of an enemy player killing and gaining 80% TV for a basic "tap on the shoulder" dmg....(flawed a game mechanic) . I actually don't have a problem with this as I have adapted my PVP/PVE situational awareness in IC.

The killer blow thang I use to my advantage when I possibly can. eg: I'm a VR8 Sorc and I always try to get to base with all my TV's intact so the other evening I got ganked n spanked when entering the sewers from Arena by 4x AD's all 14 - 16 VR .........and although I've always had an issue with the slight spawn delay (subject for another thread!!) to counter , I managed to survive down to about 10% health and use Bolt to get me to some mobs where a kindly Dremora whacked me for 200 of my 2K stones.

They inflicted 90% dmg on me for squat all . I've been successful with this more often than I deserve so you gotta work with the system and I ain't no PVP leet player by a long shot.

This is what I'm on about playing smart. Change your game play. It can be done if you use your initiative.

Flyersfan314 · October 2015

IC is kinda boring too. Its the same thing over and over again. The sewers and the enemies should change. IC needs to be more a live.

NUMBER 5 IS ALIVE

Arunei · October 2015

gen_reynard2050 wrote: »

enemy just outsmart u, doesn't mean he can't fight. Never heard "kill with a borrowed knife". 借刀殺人
and if so worried being ganked, then why IC, should wait OS... #neverendingstory..

Did you read the thread at all before posting? Several of us have clearly stated numerous times that being attacked/ganked/wtfever IS NOT THE ISSUE. The problem is the way the system rewards lazy people by making it far too easy to get Stones from an enemy, since they only need to get the killing blow and not deal X% amount of damage instead.

And yes, you can advise people to Bank their Stones often (I do whenever I hit 2-3 hundred), but that only goes so far. You can die just as easily on the way back to your base as you can on your way out from it.

Me personally, I'm not trying to get any of the gear or mats or anything most people want Stones for. I want them so I can spam boxes that drop the Dremora costumes.