Dragonknight Magicka Tank decent?

JMadFour · October 2015

Or is stamina really the only feasible choice?

I'm leveling a DK now as a Magicka Spellcaster, but flirting with the idea of turning him into a Magicka Tank.

I HAVE tanked before, but not as a DK and not at any Veteran Level. I usually Tank in any MMO I play, but or some reason I chose to Cast spells in this one.

I'm not quite sure if I am a fan of EVERYTHING coming from the Stamina pool, which is why I am thinking of sticking with Magicka. on the flip side, Magicka regen when using Sword/Board is a concern. and I've never actually tried a pure Stamina build, if I did it would probably be with a Templar.

thoughts, ideas?

Is DK Magicka Tank a thing, or are Stamina DKs the only way to go?

PhatGrimReaper · October 2015

Magicka DK Tank is still good for PVE.

JMadFour · October 2015

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Magicka DK Tank is still good for PVE.

assuming the majority of my attribute points in Health, remainder in Magicka, and mostly Health Enchants?

PhatGrimReaper · October 2015

At v16 I tank with all points into Magicka... Tri Food.. I split my enchants between health and stam

posthumecaver · October 2015

Look to this site

http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/08/02/eso-dragonknight-tank-for-update-7/

and my 2 posts, I am quite happy with DK Tanking with magicka (quasi).

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2338736/#Comment_2338736
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2340907/#Comment_2340907

Stranglehands · October 2015

I've got a magicka DK tank (1h+s and restoration staff) and it's kind of boring but a pretty good tank. A lot of the magicka gets used on stuff like obsidian shield, rapid regeneration etc.

Personofsecrets · October 2015

Magic tank is better than stamina tank.

caperon · October 2015

I have magicka DK that tanks. I use hist (reinforced-defending) + footman + engine. I have 24k magica, 26k hp, 18k stamina (tri stat food), 33k+ resistances with spiked armor. Works well in vWGT (no spears needed with ulti management, pots and heavy atacks here and there), I have not tested it in the manticore.

I have 1 stamina cost reduction, 1 block reduction, 1 magicka reduction as enchantments.

tangy.citrus · October 2015

Magicka tank is really great. You just need to make sure you have 20k or so stamina for vicp and about 15k or so for vwgt. Thats it.

JMadFour · October 2015

think Magicka Templar Tank or DK is more fun overall?

having trouble deciding between the two.

but my Templar has more toys at 26 than my DK has at 16. though, breathing fire is crazily fun.

one other thing, my DK is a Redguard, I'm guessing that the Stamina passives would still really help a Magicka Tank pretty good?

Zlater · October 2015

I think for DK's magicka tanking with more stam than before is the way to go. But if you do the numbers, any other class can tank better than a DK atm

PhatGrimReaper · October 2015

Zlater wrote: »

I think for DK's magicka tanking with more stam than before is the way to go. But if you do the numbers, any other class can tank better than a DK atm

lol, no chain, no p*nani bro!! LMAO

Zlater · October 2015

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

I think for DK's magicka tanking with more stam than before is the way to go. But if you do the numbers, any other class can tank better than a DK atm

lol, no chain, no p*nani bro!! LMAO

When I heal I don't care about your chain, I just want you not to die so easily. I can confidently say that the squishiest class in game is a DK, and that you sir are still new. Even a light armor sorc can out tank most DK's

Look don't listen to this joker, if you can choose a class for tanking choose a Templar or Nb. These are the best atm with sorcerer very close behind and DK last. DK's don't really have any other mitigation other than armor, block and dodge. If you want to be the best tank, you need to do more than that.

PhatGrimReaper · October 2015

Me? New?... LMAO... DK?... Squishiest?..... ROTFLMAO!!!!

You tanked anything past the normal dungeons bro?

caperon · October 2015

Zlater wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

I think for DK's magicka tanking with more stam than before is the way to go. But if you do the numbers, any other class can tank better than a DK atm

lol, no chain, no p*nani bro!! LMAO

Look don't listen to this joker, if you can choose a class for tanking choose a Templar or Nb. These are the best atm with sorcerer very close behind and DK last. DK's don't really have any other mitigation other than armor, block and dodge. If you want to be the best tank, you need to do more than that.

I guess that having spiked armor (+5k resist for 20 sec), coagulating blood (+20% healing), igneous shield (30% of your hp as shield + group shield), talons with aoe maim, 1 passive to block 10% more dmg, 1 passive to increase spell resist and an ultimate that basically makes you immortal is nothing.

I don't know what kind of DK you play with...

Well, i agree with the last sentence. You need to more than that, thats where chains are very usefull.

PhatGrimReaper · October 2015

caperon wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

I think for DK's magicka tanking with more stam than before is the way to go. But if you do the numbers, any other class can tank better than a DK atm

lol, no chain, no p*nani bro!! LMAO

Look don't listen to this joker, if you can choose a class for tanking choose a Templar or Nb. These are the best atm with sorcerer very close behind and DK last. DK's don't really have any other mitigation other than armor, block and dodge. If you want to be the best tank, you need to do more than that.

I guess that having spiked armor (+5k resist for 20 sec), coagulating blood (+20% healing), igneous shield (30% of your hp as shield + group shield), talons with aoe maim, 1 passive to block 10% more dmg, 1 passive to increase spell resist and an ultimate that basically makes you immortal is nothing.

I don't know what kind of DK you play with...

nah man, the expert said it, so it must be the truth!! trololololol

JMadFour · October 2015

so in my brief foray into Magicka Tanking (swapping between Templar and DK because I cant decide), I'm struggling with not beng able to regen Magicka, since I am using S/B.

does that come with leveling, or is there something specific I need to do or acquire to make that less of a problem?

am I going to be stuck with a Resto Staff on my back bar, because I was kinda envisioning a dual S/B guy.

Templar overall is seeming easier solo, just because Jabs Jabs Jabs. but something about DK is interesting and I can't quite pin it down at level 16.

Zlater · October 2015

caperon wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

I think for DK's magicka tanking with more stam than before is the way to go. But if you do the numbers, any other class can tank better than a DK atm

lol, no chain, no p*nani bro!! LMAO

Look don't listen to this joker, if you can choose a class for tanking choose a Templar or Nb. These are the best atm with sorcerer very close behind and DK last. DK's don't really have any other mitigation other than armor, block and dodge. If you want to be the best tank, you need to do more than that.

I guess that having spiked armor (+5k resist for 20 sec), coagulating blood (+20% healing), igneous shield (30% of your hp as shield + group shield), talons with aoe maim, 1 passive to block 10% more dmg, 1 passive to increase spell resist and an ultimate that basically makes you immortal is nothing.

I don't know what kind of DK you play with...

Well, i agree with the last sentence. You need to more than that, thats where chains are very usefull.

Every class can do those resistances but better and even for longer, 20% is actually 30% with gdb lol and altar gives 40% but you are already getting this from tripots which don't stack. sorcs and temps pull wayyy bigger shields and you can't permanent block any more :P minor main you can also get from low slash or Haha lol a lightning enchant. The group cc is restricted to only 4 adds too which sucks.

caperon · October 2015

JMadFour wrote: »

so in my brief foray into Magicka Tanking (swapping between Templar and DK because I cant decide), I'm struggling with not beng able to regen Magicka, since I am using S/B.

does that come with leveling, or is there something specific I need to do or acquire to make that less of a problem?

am I going to be stuck with a Resto Staff on my back bar, because I was kinda envisioning a dual S/B guy.

Templar overall is seeming easier solo, just because Jabs Jabs Jabs. but something about DK is interesting and I can't quite pin it down at level 16.

To lvl don't use s+b. Go 5 light + 1 med + 1 heavy, destruction staff. The ardent flame tree does good dps, and the draconic power gives you tankiness. For solo you dont need resto staff, dragon blood should be enought. Later you have inhale that gives you sustain too.

caperon · October 2015

Zlater wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

I think for DK's magicka tanking with more stam than before is the way to go. But if you do the numbers, any other class can tank better than a DK atm

lol, no chain, no p*nani bro!! LMAO

Look don't listen to this joker, if you can choose a class for tanking choose a Templar or Nb. These are the best atm with sorcerer very close behind and DK last. DK's don't really have any other mitigation other than armor, block and dodge. If you want to be the best tank, you need to do more than that.

I guess that having spiked armor (+5k resist for 20 sec), coagulating blood (+20% healing), igneous shield (30% of your hp as shield + group shield), talons with aoe maim, 1 passive to block 10% more dmg, 1 passive to increase spell resist and an ultimate that basically makes you immortal is nothing.

I don't know what kind of DK you play with...

Well, i agree with the last sentence. You need to more than that, thats where chains are very usefull.

Every class can do those resistances but better and even for longer, 20% is actually 30% with gdb lol and altar gives 40% but you are already getting this from tripots which don't stack. sorcs and temps pull wayyy bigger shields and you can't permanent block any more :P minor main you can also get from low slash or Haha lol a lightning enchant. The group cc is restricted to only 4 adds too which sucks.

Obviously you have no idea. Coagulating blood gives you +12% healing recived not regen (burning heart passive) + 8% with the skill. You can block 100% of the time if you really build for it, although is not really required. Group CC is not restricted to 4, its restricted to 6, and its faster and better use talons than 6x heroic slash (waste of stamina, you only want 1 for the heroism buff) if you really want a snare, use cinder storm - eruption, great aoe snare that guives you stamina.

Please, go troll to other place, no where someone is asking for advice.

PS: And btw, I still need to find a healer that uses blood well.

PhatGrimReaper · October 2015

@Zlater, Out of curiosity, what content have tanked and what class have you done it with?

You're pretty quick to point the 'Noob Finger' at people, so I think I'd like to know what experience you have. If you're anywhere near as good as you make out to be, I'm sure we could all learn a little from you.

Nijjion · October 2015

Was Magicka up until 2-3 weeks ago but went to stam... can tank a lot easier now (but might be due to new armor master gear) and do more damage (well hard to tell in a way as since I've come back they nerfed skoria helm

)

Pretty much seemed to be a must to go stam when I went to go do the 2 new IC dungeons at vet 16. I would like to know the build of a magicka dk that can tank vet IC dungeons.

Edit - I miss stam regen with block :'(

Zlater · October 2015

Oh hey you guys are still going.
The current meta for tanking was derived from the beta where the best class for tanking was hands down the DK. After 1.6 and the standardisation of buffs and debuffs, along with the complete reworking of how ultimate is generated, DK tanking has taken a huge fall, not so much in the meta, but very heavily with good theory crafters that do understand different class mechanics.

I don't really want to waste more time disputing because in honesty I'm just wasting my time.
I would like to ask caperon, why are you using coagulating when Gdb is leaps and bounds better, why any tank is taking so much damage that they need 12% extra healing recieved is beyond me. I don't really care too much for cc limits and putting minor maim on adds, outside of the PTS I have no reason to play a DK, I have other responsibilities that out weigh

caperon · October 2015

Zlater wrote: »

Oh hey you guys are still going.
I would like to ask caperon, why are you using coagulating when Gdb is leaps and bounds better

Its not.

Doubt you actually tanked anything. Ever.

tangy.citrus · October 2015

DKs are not the squishiest by any means. You're just not playing it right. DK's add SO MUCH to team support, especially magicka builds. I spam the *** out of obsidian shards for my healer so his spell power cure is proc'd about 90% of the time on the dps. If its a boss that spawns adds like the overfiend in vicp, i will try to use talons so that it makes things easier on the dps. I self heal quite a bit so the healer can concentrate more on dpsing and healing the dpsers.

DK's are 2nd best to only the nightblades for tanking. Why? Because nightblades (especially magicka nb tank) can do sweet damage, spam HoT's, all while tanking even the heaviest boss. DK's dont have the HoT spam, but we do have burst heals, and DoT's. For a magicka DK, you could get around 8-10k dps on molag kena vwgt while tanking it if you're doing it right, but it we be a lot more work on the healer than it would be as a nightblade tank doing the same thing.

Nightblade magicka tanks are (in my opinion) the best in the game with DK as second best.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · October 2015

tangy.citrus wrote: »

Nightblade magicka tanks are (in my opinion) the best in the game with DK as second best.

How kind of you

Personofsecrets · October 2015

JMadFour wrote: »

so in my brief foray into Magicka Tanking (swapping between Templar and DK because I cant decide), I'm struggling with not beng able to regen Magicka, since I am using S/B.

does that come with leveling, or is there something specific I need to do or acquire to make that less of a problem?

am I going to be stuck with a Resto Staff on my back bar, because I was kinda envisioning a dual S/B guy.

Templar overall is seeming easier solo, just because Jabs Jabs Jabs. but something about DK is interesting and I can't quite pin it down at level 16.

you can use some pieces of light armor (belt and hands), be an altmer, slot a vampire skill, use a magic regen enchants, put champion points into magic resource management, slot mage guild abilities, slot alliance war support abilities,

bigereard · October 2015

My DK's tank is "hybrid" tank, I use a lot of defensive magicka and ultimate skill, block and dodge quite often, but all of my attributes goes to stamina after I have a decent health (25k-30k).

Most of DK's magicka tanking skill's benefit scaling neither with magicka nor stamina:

Igneous shield -> scaling with health, always 30% bonus healing no matter your resource
Choking talon -> always 15% AoE damage debuff, immobilize not scaling with anything, only damage part that scale with magicka
Spiked armor and it's morph -> always major resolve and major ward
Reflective Scale and it's morph -> no scaling at all
Dragon blood and it's morph -> scaling with health
Magma armor and it's morph -> always cap at 3% max health
AoE snare -> no scaling

Max magicka don't really give us benefit in DK's magicka tanking skill.
Thus, depends on our skillset, I think it's better to build magicka regeneration + max stamina (+ ultimate gain if possible).
Magicka regen allows us to use many tanking skill a lot. (Look at personofsecret's comment for have a decent magicka regen, I also use drink, and if we look at orsinium provisioning, now we have max health + resource regen)
Max stamina is needed because it's scaling with the recovery from: helping hand, battle roar, and undaunted passive (restore resource when use synergy), also the redguard passive if you are a redguard. (Personally I also use vigor)

With this build we can use a lot of defensive magicka and stamina skill and/or block, dodge, and break free when needed.
Personally, this what I use for full tanking: 2 blood spawn 5 akaviri dragon guard + 5 footman (if we block a lot) or magicka regen set
I am in corrosive armor about 35%-40% of my tanking time, we can switch weapon and do tons of damage (or get our resource back) and still as survive as AFK behind our shield while in corrosive armor.

Zlater · October 2015

caperon wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

Oh hey you guys are still going.
I would like to ask caperon, why are you using coagulating when Gdb is leaps and bounds better

Its not.

Doubt you actually tanked anything. Ever.

Sorry I accidentally sent that while at work, didn't get to finish writing.

I play a sorcerer and templar. My sorcerer has tanked everything from banished cells to Dsa and in most fights doesn't require a healer. I remember in 1.6 tanking darkshade gold without losing so much as 1hp. That was at VR14.

While shield stacking is fine and all I prefer my templar, she's a healer, but when it comes to most veteran Dungeons I usually prefer to run without a tank and just taunt the boss myself. Any silver pledges I just usually try to solo, ofc with the exception of those like blackheart haven and direfrost keep. This is all because many tanks can be really annoying -.- "MORE SHARDS PLEASE!" -.- shards are mostly for stamina dps go get your own lol. If I'm doing that I usually try to aim for around 3-5k in dps whilst healing and tanking with light armor :P I don't call this tanking though, because it doesn't work in trials or DLC, I use my sorc for that.

tangy.citrus wrote: »

DKs are not the squishiest by any means. You're just not playing it right. DK's add SO MUCH to team support, especially magicka builds. I spam the *** out of obsidian shards for my healer so his spell power cure is proc'd about 90% of the time on the dps. If its a boss that spawns adds like the overfiend in vicp, i will try to use talons so that it makes things easier on the dps. I self heal quite a bit so the healer can concentrate more on dpsing and healing the dpsers.

DK's are 2nd best to only the nightblades for tanking. Why? Because nightblades (especially magicka nb tank) can do sweet damage, spam HoT's, all while tanking even the heaviest boss. DK's dont have the HoT spam, but we do have burst heals, and DoT's. For a magicka DK, you could get around 8-10k dps on molag kena vwgt while tanking it if you're doing it right, but it we be a lot more work on the healer than it would be as a nightblade tank doing the same thing.

Nightblade magicka tanks are (in my opinion) the best in the game with DK as second best.

Nb's and temps I know are the best. While Temps can consistently mitigate more damage than any other class, well ofc in an ordinary setting with someone who knows how mitigation works, Nb's have such huge sustain. When it comes to taking damage, no one could do it worse than a DK though, unless it's with magma armor up, but that isn't what I would call sustainable mitigation. I do agree to DK's have some nice tricks useful on the side while tanking, it's for the tricks you'd choose the class for tanking, I believe this is why people still try to keep the old meta, as someone pointed out before. He loves chains... Who knows why though?

I love to research the mechanics and theory craft builds, while most don't make it out the front door. I learn a lot in the process and have discovered an exceptional amount about how mitigation works and how to use it effectively.

PhatGrimReaper · October 2015

Zlater wrote: »

I play a sorcerer and templar. My sorcerer has tanked everything from banished cells to Dsa and in most fights doesn't require a healer. I remember in 1.6 tanking darkshade gold without losing so much as 1hp. That was at VR14.

Okay, so you have tanked up to DSA.... no vDSA, no Manti, no poison trolls, no Warrior, no Axes?

I'm just trying to understand where your opinions have been formed.

Zlater · October 2015

Wanna join me for VDSA little buddy?
I still have been meaning to do SO for my checklist. By the damage reports it seems only moderate.

I think you are a troll, PGR, these are my opinions based on calculated ability, and if you are upset by it please complain your parents or make a whine thread, because I really don't care. I'm not feeding the troll, sorry buddy.

DK's need to be buffed. This is true.