Single skill REMORPH?

mabiron92 · October 2015

I would like to have the ability to reset a selected skill rather than having to do a whole respec. There are some skills and morphs i prefer in pve that I don't like in pvp or the other way around and being a player that participates in both, I hate shorting myself on better options. So for instance daedric curse morph. Sometimes in pve using atronach, I like to have the PREY morph for extra pet damage. In pvpi want to use the shorter duration morph. I don't want to have to reset all my morphs every time I switch pve to pvp. Becomes more of a hassle rather than anything else.

I don't mean to come off as a complainer, I just have expressed my feeling on it with numerous players in game that agreed so I figured maybe zeni might see this.

Kuroinu · October 2015

I've thought about this before and it seems like the best thing to do with morphs. I can't see any real negatives that'd come out of it. I'd love to be able to switch between one morph at a time depending on what I'm going to be doing.

SHADOW2KK · October 2015

Great idea OP, been wanting this for a while tbh, hope Zeni implements this asap.

Flameheart · October 2015

People already asked for that months ago. I also like that idea. To be honest, this should have been a base feature, available since release.

I am not bothered by the costs - even if the respec of a single skill would cost me the same gold as any other current available skill spec. It's just a matter of time for me to allocate almost 300 skill points again in a whole.

In addition I would suggest to add the possibility to save skill set ups for easier respec and it would be great if there would be such a feature for CPs too. I play my magicka nightblade as a healer and as a DD sometimes. At moment I often just play with some sort of hybrid spec, just to save the time to allocate over 300 CPs and almost 300 skill points again, the gold costs would not bother me that much...

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

If they do add it it'll likely have the same cost as CP redistributions do. Would also make the Shrine pointless though.

There are times when I myself only want to redo one or two skills but I have no beef with resetting them all to do it. If anything it'll undo something else I may have overlooked in the process.

mabiron92 · October 2015

Yea I'm not too bothered with the cost either. I respect almost every other day though because of the issue I mentioned above and it's just becoming a hassle to where I feel like I should skip content because of the tedious process when all I needed was a select few skills taken off or fixed.

@UltimaJoe777 if they put it on the shrine it wouldn't make them pointless though. All they would have to do is allow you to subtract a morphed ability or "remove ability points" at a cost and with a push of a button that selected skill would be reset

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Oh reMORPH well that's different altogether lol just a quick little switcheroo nothin' at all to that. Thought this thread was about reskill at first lol

mabiron92 · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Oh reMORPH well that's different altogether lol just a quick little switcheroo nothin' at all to that. Thought this thread was about reskill at first lol

Yes, sorry for the wording. We eventually get enough skill points to apply to our builds entirety and then some so the points aren't the issue for me as much as the ability to just swap a skills morph

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

mabiron92 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Oh reMORPH well that's different altogether lol just a quick little switcheroo nothin' at all to that. Thought this thread was about reskill at first lol

Yes, sorry for the wording. We eventually get enough skill points to apply to our builds entirety and then some so the points aren't the issue for me as much as the ability to just swap a skills morph

Personally I go by a theme and just pick whichever morph I find generally better for said theme's skill sets so I only remorph if I feel I want to use the other one.

Kuroinu · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

mabiron92 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Oh reMORPH well that's different altogether lol just a quick little switcheroo nothin' at all to that. Thought this thread was about reskill at first lol

Yes, sorry for the wording. We eventually get enough skill points to apply to our builds entirety and then some so the points aren't the issue for me as much as the ability to just swap a skills morph

Personally I go by a theme and just pick whichever morph I find generally better for said theme's skill sets so I only remorph if I feel I want to use the other one.

Yeah a good example might be Dawnbreaker morphs, one gives a passive weapon damage boost and the other just boosts the damage of the skill. But depending on how I feel like playing, I may want to use either of those.

I think the key choices for morphs are the ones that have you choose between a Stamina or Magicka based skill. I wanted to be Magicka based Sorcerer initially, but then I got tired of it. Sometime after the change to Sorcerer morphs that would provide more stamina options, I started trying it out and found it more fun to play. I did switch my attribute points from Magicka to Stamina of course, but I also had to pay to switch all my morphs and I only really needed to convert about 4 out of the 20+ morphs choices I'd already made lol. The gold cost was still manageable, but I didn't really need to spend that amount.

Wreuntzylla · October 2015

ZoS should put build windows in the crown store as a character upgrade. It's purely convenience. I'd pay 5k crowns probably 5 times to have 5 windows for morphs/gear/action bar loadout that switched at the press of a button. Heck, I'd probably buy at least 2 windows for each V16 toon on top of the 5 for my primary.

I'd pay half that just to have in-game functionality like Wykkyd Outfitter provided. I had to stop using that because it made the game crash for me every so often.

Either one is pretty easy to codePretty easy to code.

ThePonzzz · October 2015

Respec costs are so cheap compared to launch, I don't mind paying for all morphs.

GreenSoup2HoT · October 2015

Just a flat out yes.

Why should i have to go through all the work of re-setting all of my morph's when i want to see the result's of 1 single skill with a different morph and the same setup.

Why should i have to pay to reset all my morph's when i only want to reset one.

SirDopey · October 2015

haha YES. I reckon 9/10 times I've used the shrine its been to change one morph...

Elektrakosh · October 2015

Yep, I'd like a respec morph option also.

Legedric · October 2015

The community asked for this sooooo often and such a long time ago...

ZOS doesn't care or they just think it is not necessary to give it a high prioirity.

Birdovic · October 2015

Definetly agreed.
Been waiting so Long. Just for comparing 2 Morphs, i have to respec everything? Come on.

The only difficulty here is, where/how its implemented. I see pvp zergs changing Morphs in 2min out of Battle and depending on Situation and take out everyone with (Even more) ease, If Done wrong.

Alucardo · October 2015

I'm not sure. Should we allow people to have such fine-grained control over their skills, with little to no downside of not thinking about their choices? I don't think it's a good idea, but I get you. I've been there too. Still going to say no, however. Resetting your morphs alone is pretty cheap, and sometimes I even come across new ones I wanted to change afterwards anyway.

mabiron92 · October 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

I'm not sure. Should we allow people to have such fine-grained control over their skills, with little to no downside of not thinking about their choices? I don't think it's a good idea, but I get you. I've been there too. Still going to say no, however. Resetting your morphs alone is pretty cheap, and sometimes I even come across new ones I wanted to change afterwards anyway.

Even though people already know what they want? I just mentioned I reset every time I switch so it's not a matter of "thinking about their choices" ts a matter of convenience because I'm going to switch anyways.

Alucardo · October 2015

mabiron92 wrote: »

Even though people already know what they want? I just mentioned I reset every time I switch so it's not a matter of "thinking about their choices" ts a matter of convenience because I'm going to switch anyways.

Adding every little feature just because it's convenient for you isn't always the best solution. As long as there is a way to reset morphs, which there is, it's not a huge issue.
You're entitled to your opinion just as I am mine, and I don't find this idea that appealing. It hasn't bothered me enough to warrant inclusion.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

mabiron92 wrote: »

Even though people already know what they want? I just mentioned I reset every time I switch so it's not a matter of "thinking about their choices" ts a matter of convenience because I'm going to switch anyways.

Adding every little feature just because it's convenient for you isn't always the best solution. As long as there is a way to reset morphs, which there is, it's not a huge issue.
You're entitled to your opinion just as I am mine, and I don't find this idea that appealing. It hasn't bothered me enough to warrant inclusion.

It's honestly alot of the problem these days. People want every possible convenience there is at the expense of proper gameplay. On a practical scale this idea is indeed worthless, hence the reason it has not been added.

Consider reskilling and remorphing so much a decent gold sink.

Alucardo · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Consider reskilling and remorphing so much a decent gold sink.

This is probably another reason it doesn't exist. If gold sinks didn't exist then people would have copious amounts of gold. I'm not sure about any one else, but reskilling takes up most of mine (and mats).

Xantaria · October 2015

Yes please ...

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Consider reskilling and remorphing so much a decent gold sink.

This is probably another reason it doesn't exist. If gold sinks didn't exist then people would have copious amounts of gold. I'm not sure about any one else, but reskilling takes up most of mine (and mats).

Yeah exactly! The more people reskill and restat the more gold they sink into it. If they give us the ability to redo just 1 skill at a time that will clog the sink considerably.

Kuroinu · October 2015

I'm always surprised that some people will find the negative in something so positive. I challenge them to give good reasons as to why they wouldn't want this and not just because it doesn't bother them, that is not a valid reason.

Being against an improvement to anything because it doesn't bother you, but also being aware that it would be an improvement is a state of mind I cannot even comprehend. Such insolence!

I've heard some talking about gold sinks and whatever. You really think that this would impact on the economy that much? There are so many other ways to spend gold and this improvement would still cost gold. You are even aware that it doesn't cost much to begin with, so it wouldn't impact much at all with the economy and yet you still are against it. Do you not see this talk of economy and gold sinks is nonsense?

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

I'm always surprised that some people will find the negative in something so positive. I challenge them to give good reasons as to why they wouldn't want this and not just because it doesn't bother them, that is not a valid reason.

Being against an improvement to anything because it doesn't bother you, but also being aware that it would be an improvement is a state of mind I cannot even comprehend. Such insolence!

I've heard some talking about gold sinks and whatever. You really think that this would impact on the economy that much? There are so many other ways to spend gold and this improvement would still cost gold. You are even aware that it doesn't cost much to begin with, so it wouldn't impact much at all with the economy and yet you still are against it. Do you not see this talk of economy and gold sinks is nonsense?

Have you not read anything Alucardo and I have said? Gold sinking isn't the only reason we supplied...

Kuroinu · October 2015

I have and I saw no reason that would be a cause for concern. But if you want to be more clear about your concerns, that'd help me understand why you don't like this. I only highlighted the gold sink reason due it it being the most preposterous.

Alucardo · October 2015

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

I challenge them to give good reasons as to why they wouldn't want this and not just because it doesn't bother them, that is not a valid reason.

1. Strategy. Giving every single feature in the game a convenience option takes the fun and challenge out of it. Like, "Oh, you know I don't like this morph so I'ma just change it for 50 gold". That's just whack and should never be that easy. Not at all.
2. Gold sinks. Yes, this is a valid reason. If everyone had copious amounts of cash lying around, the currency would be near useless. I've played a MMO with no gold sink and it got to the point where they had to add overpowered amulets and rings for people to buy because people just had so much of it and there was nothing else to spend your money on. It was stupid. I spend a lot of money on reskilling so I'm having to constantly find new ways to make money. If I could reset a morph at a time (which I would use if it was there. I'm not stupid), I'd have so much gold.
3. Consequences. These are extremely important to me. Without consequences, what's the point? You've just levelled your skill and you're carefully reading through the tooltips.. your hearts racing because you're not sure whether you want this ability, or that.. hmm. It's exciting. If you could just try one out and then scrub it out if you don't like it, you're taking consequence out of skilling.

These may seem trivial to those who want lazy, convenient features, but you've asked for my reasoning and now you have it.

Kuroinu · October 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

1. Strategy. Giving every single feature in the game a convenience option takes the fun and challenge out of it. Like, "Oh, you know I don't like this morph so I'ma just change it for 50 gold". That's just whack and should never be that easy. Not at all.

Alucardo wrote: »

2. Gold sinks. Yes, this is a valid reason. If everyone had copious amounts of cash lying around, the currency would be near useless. I've played a MMO with no gold sink and it got to the point where they had to add overpowered amulets and rings for people to buy because people just had so much of it and there was nothing else to spend your money on. It was stupid. I spend a lot of money on reskilling so I'm having to constantly find new ways to make money. If I could reset a morph at a time (which I would use if it was there. I'm not stupid), I'd have so much gold.

Alucardo wrote: »

3. Consequences. These are extremely important to me. Without consequences, what's the point? You've just levelled your skill and you're carefully reading through the tooltips.. your hearts racing because you're not sure whether you want this ability, or that.. hmm. It's exciting. If you could just try one out and then scrub it out if you don't like it, you're taking consequence out of skilling.

Ok, the overall theme I'm getting from these points is that it'll become too easy and not enough consequence is involved. If the current pricing was to stay the same then I do agree. So what we're missing from this discussion is that a price change is also required. So let me propose something in addition, I'm going to create a likely scenario as an example below.

As a Sorcerer I've maxed out my Class, Mages Guild, Light Armour and both Destruction and Restoration Stave skill lines and this totals 34 Morphs.

The current way of resetting a Morph
If I wish to reset 4 morphs, this will cost me 1700 gold, no problem! But I do need to take a few minutes to reapply the 30 Morphs I didn't wish to change. I say a few minutes because I do not wish to make a mistake and have to redo the reset due to my butter fingers.

The alternative way of resetting a Morph
If I wish to reset 4 morphs, this will cost me 500 gold per Morph, so 2000 gold. The price was higher, but now I don't need to reapply the 30 Morphs I didn't wish to change and my butter finger worries are significantly reduced.

Keep in mind this is just an example of a price, this is not me saying that it should be that amount. I just wanted to get the point across that the current Morph option would have to be replaced with an alternative and a price tweak would also be required. I do agree that 50 gold per Morph would be too low, but I also want to come to a reasonable amount of "Consequence" as you put it.

I am however glad you brought up these points and perhaps there is something else that may need to be tweaked in addition to the price, but I cannot see it at the moment. If you or anyone else has any constructive ideas in addition to this, I'd be interested to read them.

Jura23 · October 2015

Not happening. It's pretty clear they consider respec to be one of their gold sinks they want in the game.

Kuroinu · October 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

Not happening. It's pretty clear they consider respec to be one of their gold sinks they want in the game.

And it still can be, if you understand what I've suggested in my example.