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You can no longer resurrect an ally while you are hidden or invisible.
Garion
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Why?
So what you are essentially saying is that larger groups who can stack on one another can just res without penalty while smaller groups who have to make use of ultis like bat swarm or NBs with cloak to be able to get people up will have no viable way of sustaining a fight.
Resurrection needs some changes but this is not a solution. I am getting really tired of ZOS' backward ways of fixing things.
So what you are essentially saying is that larger groups who can stack on one another can just res without penalty while smaller groups who have to make use of ultis like bat swarm or NBs with cloak to be able to get people up will have no viable way of sustaining a fight.
Resurrection needs some changes but this is not a solution. I am getting really tired of ZOS' backward ways of fixing things.
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Lastoblyat - VR16 Templar - PvP Rank 14 (AD)
Ninja Pete - VR16 NB - PvP Rank 10 (AD)
Labo the Banana Slayer - VR14 Sorc - PvP Rank 12 (EP)
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Lastoblyat - VR16 Templar - PvP Rank 14 (AD)
Ninja Pete - VR16 NB - PvP Rank 10 (AD)
Labo the Banana Slayer - VR14 Sorc - PvP Rank 12 (EP)
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myrrrorb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Its not like this needed a fix anyway.
Detect pot, mage light, and watch the body.
Part of the fun was trying to find that stealthed bugger that would rez his allies.7 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Are you serious?????? That was one of the things I loved most about my NB! yeah I sucked in combat, but I made up for that by being literally one of the most frequent rezzers in Cyrodiil. I have seen fights play out in my teams favor that were solely due to me rezzing people. Just last night I amassed 50 filled gems just for rezing, and saved quite a few fights because of my stealthy rezing. Its tricky to do, because if I get spotted I am most likely dead. Who complained about this?? Is this really what people are complaining about? Rezing dead teammates?? No wonder balance is such a wreck right now!
Well, I guess its time to switch classes. I have watched the class turn into a mindless uppercut spamming shell of what it could have been, and now I won't even be able to rez stealthily. ZOS, please do not put this change thru.
Maybe this is a troll thread? Please tell me its a troll thread:(Edited by Cody on October 12, 2015 7:42PM2 -
Jumper45✭✭✭If its true I think it needed a fix. Saw a few situations where people would die and they would pop right back up and get back to fighting because some stealthers ( about 5 ) were running around rezzing people while invis. Is it a huge problem? not really its more tactics then anything. But I suppose an unfair advantage to anyone else who tries to rez someone and it doesnt seem like it was their intent. Dont get me wrong though many games have such actions like GW2 for example could drop a invis field on a corpse and revive it. But they had cooldowns etc to regulate that situation so it was true tactics then anything. Sadly Cloak does not have a cooldown so I can see some abuse happening. Granted you would have to stop rezzing to recloak. -Shrug- It doesnt happen often if at all so I think a small player base would be affected.“All right, I've been thinking, when life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade! Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager!
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✭✭✭✭✭myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »Part of the fun was trying to find that stealthed bugger that would rez his allies.
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Fizzlewizzle✭✭✭✭Just bring back stealth ressing and increase the time by quite a bit.
20 seconds or so by default.
Would actually make a huge difference for Templars and such.
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✭✭This change is so dumb...... all classes can revive while stealth. Throw caltrops on the body and wait for them to get revived...
ZOS KEEP IT UP YOUR DOING A GREAT JOB -_- .......jkPS4 NA DC0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why?
So what you are essentially saying is that larger groups who can stack on one another can just res without penalty while smaller groups who have to make use of ultis like bat swarm or NBs with cloak to be able to get people up will have no viable way of sustaining a fight.
Resurrection needs some changes but this is not a solution. I am getting really tired of ZOS' backward ways of fixing things.
If I had to guess, here was the process:- ZoS saw a forum post debating the merits of a quick resurrections by the best DPS set
- ZoS's internal staff discussed this topic and concluded that its entire customer base was wrong on all accounts, instead stealth rezzing was OP.
- ZoS then considered whether or not the actual problems that people have raised on the forum such as nobody wanting to play magicka DKs, terrible skills like elemental walls, the lack of meaningful PvP objectives in the IC, zerging, campaign population balance, etc. and decided that these issues were not high priorities. Instead it was rezzing players from stealth that was ruining PvP.
- This was absolutely necessary to test ... so they put it on the PTS where players are not PvPing
Or something like that.Edited by Joy_Division on October 12, 2015 10:34PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.4 -
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »Why?
So what you are essentially saying is that larger groups who can stack on one another can just res without penalty while smaller groups who have to make use of ultis like bat swarm or NBs with cloak to be able to get people up will have no viable way of sustaining a fight.
Resurrection needs some changes but this is not a solution. I am getting really tired of ZOS' backward ways of fixing things.
If I had to guess, here was the process:- ZoS saw a forum post debating the merits of a quick resurrections by the best DPS set
- ZoS's internal staff discussed this topic and concluded that its entire customer base was wrong on all accounts, instead stealth rezzing was OP.
- ZoS then considered whether or not the actual problems that people have raised on the forum such as nobody wanting to play magicka DKs, terrible skills like elemental walls, the lack of meaningful PvP objectives in the IC, zerging, campaign population balance, etc. and decided that these issues were not high priorities. Instead it was rezzing players from stealth that was ruining PvP.
- This was absolutely necessary to test ... so they put it on the PTS where players are not PvPing
Or something like that.
I think you summarised it perfectly!Lastobeth - VR16 Sorc - PvP Rank 41 (AD)
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✭✭Since we've got two threads going. I'll post the same comments here.
Personally, I've always found being able to rezzurect from stealth dumb. Reducing the time to rezzurect is also dumb. As a Templar, I can Rez you in 2 seconds. That is just way too fast! Rezzurecting should be something risky. When to rezzurect should also be part of gameplay.
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Garion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Since we've got two threads going. I'll post the same comments here.
Personally, I've always found being able to rezzurect from stealth dumb. Reducing the time to rezzurect is also dumb. As a Templar, I can Rez you in 2 seconds. That is just way too fast! Rezzurecting should be something risky. When to rezzurect should also be part of gameplay.
I agree entirely that resurrection needs changing. The problem however is the speed you can do it, not that you can do it from stealth. There should be a res sickness. This change makes no sense and actually, once again, benefits the zerg more than anything else because they can stack on the bodies and res while still outputting DPS.Lastobeth - VR16 Sorc - PvP Rank 41 (AD)
Lastoblyat - VR16 Templar - PvP Rank 14 (AD)
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Zsymon✭✭✭✭Yeah I'm really beginning to wonder how ZOS comes to conclusions that things like this are necessary.0 -
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I agree entirely that resurrection needs changing. The problem however is the speed you can do it, not that you can do it from stealth. There should be a res sickness. This change makes no sense and actually, once again, benefits the zerg more than anything else because they can stack on the bodies and res while still outputting DPS.
Yes, speed is the number one problem. We agree there. When I was rezzing in BWB on my nightblade, it was painfully slow. When to do it, or even whether I could do it all, were things I had to consider. It made for smart gameplay. And I'd argue that being visible at the start of the rezz makes it a more rewarding effort.
The Zerg is another matter. And should be handled in another manner. Though off topic somewhat, in addition to making rezzing longer, I'd love to see Siege hit harder. Just like in BWB, siege should hurt. Zergs should worry about siege and oils hitting them.Edited by maxjapank on October 13, 2015 7:35AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler any information to if this is an intended change or just a new bug?
Otherwise this is once again once of those changes which came out of nowhere without any real reason. I haven't really seen many threads of people complaining about this, it seemed to be a tactic which was considered common place and acceptable by the PvP community.
I would love to know the reasoning for this if it isn't a bug.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler any information to if this is an intended change or just a new bug?
Otherwise this is once again once of those changes which came out of nowhere without any real reason. I haven't really seen many threads of people complaining about this, it seemed to be a tactic which was considered common place and acceptable by the PvP community.
I would love to know the reasoning for this if it isn't a bug.
It is intended. The quote in the title comes directly from the PTS patch notes.Lastobeth - VR16 Sorc - PvP Rank 41 (AD)
Lastoblyat - VR16 Templar - PvP Rank 14 (AD)
Ninja Pete - VR16 NB - PvP Rank 10 (AD)
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler any information to if this is an intended change or just a new bug?
Otherwise this is once again once of those changes which came out of nowhere without any real reason. I haven't really seen many threads of people complaining about this, it seemed to be a tactic which was considered common place and acceptable by the PvP community.
I would love to know the reasoning for this if it isn't a bug.
It is intended. The quote in the title comes directly from the PTS patch notes.
Yeah I realised that afterwards, I am about a day behind on most news ATM due to other things in RL.
Still kind of a from out of nowhere change.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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alt3rEgo✭Joy_Division wrote: »Why?
So what you are essentially saying is that larger groups who can stack on one another can just res without penalty while smaller groups who have to make use of ultis like bat swarm or NBs with cloak to be able to get people up will have no viable way of sustaining a fight.
Resurrection needs some changes but this is not a solution. I am getting really tired of ZOS' backward ways of fixing things.
If I had to guess, here was the process:- ZoS saw a forum post debating the merits of a quick resurrections by the best DPS set
- ZoS's internal staff discussed this topic and concluded that its entire customer base was wrong on all accounts, instead stealth rezzing was OP.
- ZoS then considered whether or not the actual problems that people have raised on the forum such as nobody wanting to play magicka DKs, terrible skills like elemental walls, the lack of meaningful PvP objectives in the IC, zerging, campaign population balance, etc. and decided that these issues were not high priorities. Instead it was rezzing players from stealth that was ruining PvP.
- This was absolutely necessary to test ... so they put it on the PTS where players are not PvPing
Or something like that.
I think you summarised it perfectly!
Perfect! But one point is still missing.
5. The Trainee reminded them that there's a PvE part of the Game. Fired.
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EgoRush✭✭✭✭Agreed that it's the time to res causing issues, not that it can be done by stealth. Anyway, you seen the channel from the soul gem to the corpse when people res...it's already pretty obvious if you know what to look for. Plus, caltraps and other AoEs over corpses was an interesting countermeasure. They are just dumbing the game down.Server: EU Pact
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✭✭✭✭✭lol all this time and I didn't even realise you could stealth res. Oh well, won't have time for that now anyway it seems
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✭✭✭✭What was wrong with stealth resing?
You could still see someone was being resed...
Just aoe or walk over and they'd show up.0
