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Why is everybody so obsessed with Spell Damage with this patch?
Kammakazi
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"Dude I have 2800 Spell Damage unbuffed, and 3600 buffed..."
"I have more Spell Damage than you!"
"You only have 2500 Spell Damage buffed?
"What's your Spell Damage?"
.... Yeah ok but your sustain is doodoo.. you may have burst but anybody else who has better sustain will win the fight.
This guy showed me his 3k+ Spell Damage build and I looked at his Magicka Recovery... 750. Wat.
Also Staff Weaving > Dual Wield Burst
"I have more Spell Damage than you!"
"You only have 2500 Spell Damage buffed?
"What's your Spell Damage?"
.... Yeah ok but your sustain is doodoo.. you may have burst but anybody else who has better sustain will win the fight.
This guy showed me his 3k+ Spell Damage build and I looked at his Magicka Recovery... 750. Wat.
Also Staff Weaving > Dual Wield Burst
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✭✭Whoa there, cowboy. Watch the language there are children on these forums.Member of the Psijic Order PTS Group0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭i too prefer sustain over burst, its just safer overall. unless I'm doing something specific in pvp. plus I have found simply increasing your resource is a more versatile damage increase.ESO player since beta.
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✭I have 4717 Spell Damage buffed with 1600 regen...how about sustain plus spell damage?:)Edited by hedna123b14_ESO on October 10, 2015 7:23AM7 -
Samphaa✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I have 4717 Spell Damage buffed with 1600 regen...how about sustain plus spell damage?:)
What's you setup if you don't mind me asking?0 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I have 4717 Spell Damage buffed with 1600 regen...how about sustain plus spell damage?:)
What's you setup if you don't mind me asking?
would like to know that too...
regarding the OPs question i believe its a "relict" of pve where you do not have to bother about magica reg as siphon spirit + ele drain cover 99% of your magica loss.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I have 4717 Spell Damage buffed with 1600 regen...how about sustain plus spell damage?:)
What's you setup if you don't mind me asking?
5 Scathing mage
2 Molag Kena
1 Destro staff
3 willpower1 -
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✭In the orsinium DLC the maximum amount of Spell damage anyone can obtain will be a sorc with a maximum of 5325 spell damage...while having 1600+ regen1 -
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✭✭✭✭Yeh, I made the spell power choice. 3k almost bang on and 940 regen.
I use tri drinks vet 15 in Cyrodiil so it puts my regen up quite a bit.
In one on ones regen isn't an issue, just burn them down quickly.
Pots, resto attacks and overload get me magic back when I need it too.0 -
kuscoe✭✭✭I have 750 recovery too but ya know what, I never run out of magick and I typically do 25-30k dps single target
L2PEdited by kuscoe on October 10, 2015 8:28AM2 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭I have 750 recovery too but ya know what, I never run out of magick and I typically do 25-30k dps single target
L2P
Ah here we go. I am sure that this is one of the Dps Builds the Kids Copy from the Forums, to post high Numbers. The first Thing that they do is to asking the Healer for Elemental Drain or Shards to run it, or they are oos/oom after the first Trash Group
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✭✭✭✭✭"Dude I have 2800 Spell Damage unbuffed, and 3600 buffed..."
"I have more Spell Damage than you!"
"You only have 2500 Spell Damage buffed?
"What's your Spell Damage?"
.... Yeah ok but your sustain is doodoo.. you may have burst but anybody else who has better sustain will win the fight.
This guy showed me his 3k+ Spell Damage build and I looked at his Magicka Recovery... 750. Wat.
Also Staff Weaving > Dual Wield Burst
PvP player chiming in here.
Burst always defeats sustain. Any player knows this. You could survive all day long but guaranteed you will never kill the other guy without a massive amount of burst damage. You could have 3000+ regen and low damage/resource pool and I promise youd never get any of my chars under 1/2 health, ever. Even if you flailed on me for an hour straight hoping for a lucky crit.
Whoever propagated this myth that sustain wins fights was clearly a defensive styled runaway 1v1 type player that took their ability to avoid dying as a hallmark of their ability to kill other players. PROTIP: Survival/sustain builds never kill anyone competent.
I assure you, burst is lethal. In fact burst is the current metagame for both 1v1 and group play. Or havent you seen the threads about it? Very few build for sustain over damage anymore, except for healers and some kinds of tanky crowdcontrol builds. The vast majority are spin to win high damage stam builds, and proxdet burst magicka builds. The 1v1/singles meta is basically stack as much damage as you can, then put some ability to get away or recover, repeat until the other guy dies. No sustain required any more. If the other guy is all regens, he isnt going to hurt you anyway.
Also, try staff weaving on me. Just try it. Last guy that tried that barely got my hardened ward to half before he took frag/meteor/frag to the face for 32k (post 1.7, mind) damage and exploded in a blue ball of ashes.
Oh and for the record, I have 4100 buffed spell damage, 37k magicka, 1500 regen, 396 champion points, and never run out of magicka in a prolonged fight because i have this thing on the offbar called a resto staff, it pretty much fills up my blue bar whenever i want to fill it, free of charge.
(5 kags, 2 torugs, 2 cyrolight, 3willpower all damage enchants, gg - build is still a WiP until i get kena and a couple willpower rings so I can replace my swords, THEN it will really be over the top)
Oh and my sustained DPS in pledges is over 12k single target WITHOUT WEAVING (all i do is just alternate frags and entropy and throw in a meteor when its up, proxdet if i can safely go melee on the boss), and I dont even PvE or build for it.
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Samphaa✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I have 4717 Spell Damage buffed with 1600 regen...how about sustain plus spell damage?:)
What's you setup if you don't mind me asking?
5 Scathing mage
2 Molag Kena
1 Destro staff
3 willpower
Cool, cheers dude, when I get V16 I was gunna run, 5 piece Julianos, 2 piece Nerien'eth, 2 piece Torugs and 3 piece Willpower, what ya reckon?1 -
Kahen40k✭✭Murmeltier wrote: »I have 750 recovery too but ya know what, I never run out of magick and I typically do 25-30k dps single target
L2P
Ah here we go. I am sure that this is one of the Dps Builds the Kids Copy from the Forums, to post high Numbers. The first Thing that they do is to asking the Healer for Elemental Drain or Shards to run it, or they are oos/oom after the first Trash Group .
L2Build
I don't want to be rude, but every good healer should put ele drain up, because if a DD do its a loss of dps. Regen isn't worth anything in pve, because it stay up, mana is fine for all the duration of the fight.
PvE and PVP are totally different things, stop mixing them.1 -
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✭I ran the spell damage set for a while, but I can´t play the style I am used to with it. Especially, in PvP I am running with a small group that faces multiple enemies. Can´t just stand in one place nuking them one by one but need mobility to survive in those fights. Running out of magicka is a death sentence. I changed to a mix of high burst and sustainability.Edited by Minnesinger on October 10, 2015 10:24AMA is for Atronach.
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✭Murmeltier wrote: »I have 750 recovery too but ya know what, I never run out of magick and I typically do 25-30k dps single target
L2P
Ah here we go. I am sure that this is one of the Dps Builds the Kids Copy from the Forums, to post high Numbers. The first Thing that they do is to asking the Healer for Elemental Drain or Shards to run it, or they are oos/oom after the first Trash Group .
L2Build
Shards is your highest AoE dps skill as a templar, if you aren't dropping them already then you are doing it wrong. You should also be dropping orbs every 10 seconds for your and their sakes.m1 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I have 4717 Spell Damage buffed with 1600 regen...how about sustain plus spell damage?:)
What's you setup if you don't mind me asking?
5 Scathing mage
2 Molag Kena
1 Destro staff
3 willpower
Cool, cheers dude, when I get V16 I was gunna run, 5 piece Julianos, 2 piece Nerien'eth, 2 piece Torugs and 3 piece Willpower, what ya reckon?
Hey which class are you? Also looking over your setup as you've posted it, I'm assuming you're running dual wield, it is actually superior to run greatsword now. Once Orsinium drops your Best in Slot as a templar for Arena and 4 mand should be 5 piece Spell power cure, 2 Kena, 1 Maelstrom Destro and one greatsword on back bar, with 3 willpower. You can weave light attacks with Puncturing sweep for the Kena proc using your destro and then switch to greatsword for the execute phase. If there i's another templar who is a healer in your group and is running spell power cure, then you can replace Spell Power cure with the Julianos set, since you'll be getting the buff anyways..0 -
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✭Murmeltier wrote: »I have 750 recovery too but ya know what, I never run out of magick and I typically do 25-30k dps single target
L2P
Ah here we go. I am sure that this is one of the Dps Builds the Kids Copy from the Forums, to post high Numbers. The first Thing that they do is to asking the Healer for Elemental Drain or Shards to run it, or they are oos/oom after the first Trash Group .
L2Build
I don't want to be rude, but every good healer should put ele drain up, because if a DD do its a loss of dps. Regen isn't worth anything in pve, because it stay up, mana is fine for all the duration of the fight.
PvE and PVP are totally different things, stop mixing them.
Yeah... to add to this, every good healer in PVE should also be running magicka orbs and ideally even siphon spirit. The healer is there to support the group. If you're just healing, you're useless.4 -
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✭Spell damage is overrated now with the cyrodiil debuff.
Sustain wins fights as anyone with large spell damage has close to nothing regens and are dry after 3 spells lol, you can't have both, there are no set combinations to achieve both over 3k+ spell damage and 2k+ regen and have 35k magicka at the same time, not even with large amount of CP's.
I have 2.5 spell damage unbuffed and 2.9k buffed. 2k Magicka regen and 35k magicka and I win almost any encounter when there is no lag. 1v2 is also not a problem.
Those stacking spell damage are the easiest targets of all as their defenses and sustain are laughable at best, even my V10 nightblade kills them with 2-3 skills.Sometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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✭Murmeltier wrote: »I have 750 recovery too but ya know what, I never run out of magick and I typically do 25-30k dps single target
L2P
Ah here we go. I am sure that this is one of the Dps Builds the Kids Copy from the Forums, to post high Numbers. The first Thing that they do is to asking the Healer for Elemental Drain or Shards to run it, or they are oos/oom after the first Trash Group .
L2Build
I don't want to be rude, but every good healer should put ele drain up, because if a DD do its a loss of dps. Regen isn't worth anything in pve, because it stay up, mana is fine for all the duration of the fight.
PvE and PVP are totally different things, stop mixing them.
Yeah... to add to this, every good healer in PVE should also be running magicka orbs and ideally even siphon spirit. The healer is there to support the group. If you're just healing, you're useless.
Agree, this game has no healers outside of Trials and PvP zergs, just DPS who off heal...0 -
hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I have 4717 Spell Damage buffed with 1600 regen...how about sustain plus spell damage?:)
What's you setup if you don't mind me asking?
5 Scathing mage
2 Molag Kena
1 Destro staff
3 willpower
Cool, cheers dude, when I get V16 I was gunna run, 5 piece Julianos, 2 piece Nerien'eth, 2 piece Torugs and 3 piece Willpower, what ya reckon?
I'm gonna do the same but use my valkyn skoria that I have should put me around 3k plus skoria procs
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"Dude I have 2800 Spell Damage unbuffed, and 3600 buffed..."
"I have more Spell Damage than you!"
"You only have 2500 Spell Damage buffed?
"What's your Spell Damage?"
.... Yeah ok but your sustain is doodoo.. you may have burst but anybody else who has better sustain will win the fight.
This guy showed me his 3k+ Spell Damage build and I looked at his Magicka Recovery... 750. Wat.
Also Staff Weaving > Dual Wield Burst
If your a magicka dps with anything under 2k spell damage your doodoo.0 -
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✭✭stonerskate109 wrote: »"Dude I have 2800 Spell Damage unbuffed, and 3600 buffed..."
"I have more Spell Damage than you!"
"You only have 2500 Spell Damage buffed?
"What's your Spell Damage?"
.... Yeah ok but your sustain is doodoo.. you may have burst but anybody else who has better sustain will win the fight.
This guy showed me his 3k+ Spell Damage build and I looked at his Magicka Recovery... 750. Wat.
Also Staff Weaving > Dual Wield Burst
If your a magicka dps with anything under 2k spell damage your doodoo.
I assume you're referring to me, but I'm about 2800 buffed with a Staff.0 -
Levo18✭✭✭✭Random question, how much magicka regen is acceptable as a minimun? 1500? Or is that too low?0 -
Kammakazi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Random question, how much magicka regen is acceptable as a minimun? 1500? Or is that too low?
If you're a Magicka NB, you can get away with around 1,300 - 1,400 because of the Siphoning Strikes ability, which returns Magicka/Stamina per Light Attack.
If you're a Magicka Sorcerer, typically around 1,600 - 1,900 would be fine (unbuffed) (2k+ if using dual-stat or mono-stat drinks).
If you're a Magicka Templar, I really wanna say around 2k+ (If healer) or 1,800 (If damage dealer).
If you're a Magicka DK, have no idea.1 -
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✭Yep I don't understand it.
That's also why some people still use dual wield because they think it gives the most damage. It gives more spell damage, but 2H gives overall damage. They take a glance at their spell damage and OH IT'S HIGHER NOW!Fire Cloak - VR12 DK - Nord - EP
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✭Random question, how much magicka regen is acceptable as a minimun? 1500? Or is that too low?
If you're a Magicka NB, you can get away with around 1,300 - 1,400 because of the Siphoning Strikes ability, which returns Magicka/Stamina per Light Attack.
If you're a Magicka Sorcerer, typically around 1,600 - 1,900 would be fine (unbuffed) (2k+ if using dual-stat or mono-stat drinks).
If you're a Magicka Templar, I really wanna say around 2k+ (If healer) or 1,800 (If damage dealer).
If you're a Magicka DK, have no idea.
ahem.... waht?
1300 regen as magicka nb?
im running with 700 regen in PVE. thats more than enough for everything i do. WITHOUT siphoning strikes.
i only use that if i should die and/or in aoe situations.
and in PVP im using drinks so that i outregen my cloak. you dont really need more regen. (thats about 1150 regen in PVP)
what do i want more regen for? if i get burst down, no regen in the world will let me cast regen and any shield more often.
i still can cloak away most of the time, and do a hellof damage.
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