If ESO Console Dies

Funkopotamus · October 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I have said it before but I still just do not understand how consoles could ever sustain an mmo for very long. Granted I know there are a few that have lasted a while but it just seems like the wrong demographic for mmo gaming in general. I'm sure there are some hardcore mmo'ers on console but overall, it seems like consoles are more suited to buy it, beat it, move on. Personally that's how I console game, and out of a large group of friends and acquaintances who game, I don't know of any who mmo on console. Maybe the demographic is changing though and I just haven't witnessed it yet in my circle.

Well EQOA for the PS2 lasted for over 12 years.. Even after the PS3 came out people were still playing it..

If the right company is behind a console MMO it will last for years.

That's true. Like I said, perhaps the demographic is slowly changing. Just seems to be easier to make one last on pc. Perhaps it's just a matter of sheer volume of titles that release there vs console, and not so much dependent on the platform.

I can agree that the demographic is changing. I was here sitting in front of my towering pc playing the very first MMO's. Beta testing the big ones that paved the way. Asherons Call and Everquest being the largest I have enjoyed beta testing. I will say that I am older now and I enjoy playing MMO's on my console..

TBH I am actually jelly over where MMO players are right now. They are in a great time in gaming. MMO's developers now have consoles that have basically caught up to PC's in power. MMO players are now going to be able to chose if they want to play on a PC or console.

If I had the option to play an MMO on console or PC it would be Console. I know there are PC purest out there. I just think the PC master race is a dying thing.

Rejoice console players!

zornyan · October 2015

@Funkopotamus I disagree, I think pc gaming is bigger than ever, hence the Alienware alpha, long gone are the days that you need an office to put a pc in, and a monitor and keyboard and setups, you can get a pc, plug it into the TV in the living room and use a controller.

And I don't think anyone could ever argue a console is anywhere near as powerful as a built pc. I recently purchased bf 4 on my pc that I used to have on console, and the graphics are on a whole new level, not to mention frame rates, mods to keep old games updated etc etc

nimander99 · October 2015

Why are you concerned about this?

Funkopotamus · October 2015

zornyan wrote: »

@Funkopotamus I disagree, I think pc gaming is bigger than ever, hence the Alienware alpha, long gone are the days that you need an office to put a pc in, and a monitor and keyboard and setups, you can get a pc, plug it into the TV in the living room and use a controller.

And I don't think anyone could ever argue a console is anywhere near as powerful as a built pc. I recently purchased bf 4 on my pc that I used to have on console, and the graphics are on a whole new level, not to mention frame rates, mods to keep old games updated etc etc

I understand that there are people that want the best graphics and the best textures money can buy "I recently bought a
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1141174&gclid=CODsnKGotsgCFQ8lgQod5mIGUg&is=REG&m=Y&Q=&A=details

Just for my PC gaming."

Now with having said that I believe the days of PC only titles are dying out. I spent the $194.00 for early access to ArcheAge last year and that was one of the reasons along with ESO that I dropped the $2k+ on that Asus!

All I am saying is that the days of having to own a PC that you could use to run a space expedition to mars with are long gone. Consoles today are able to run most MMO's. In fact I look for games like GW2 and a few others to port over to consoles in the next year or two.

Back to the topic: If ESO dies it will NOT have anything to do with the console community not embracing it.. It will be because the developers failed the console MMO community!!

People need to stop thinking that all console players are all children or that console people are as a whole just mindless casuals! I happen to know a number of folks around my age that all have been playing MMO's together from game to game for YEARS and we all enjoy playing on our console.!

Xendyn · October 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

Why are you concerned about this?

Yeh that's kind of what I was wondering lol

Nothing's shutting down anytime soon. Relax, go play.

zornyan · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

@Funkopotamus I disagree, I think pc gaming is bigger than ever, hence the Alienware alpha, long gone are the days that you need an office to put a pc in, and a monitor and keyboard and setups, you can get a pc, plug it into the TV in the living room and use a controller.

And I don't think anyone could ever argue a console is anywhere near as powerful as a built pc. I recently purchased bf 4 on my pc that I used to have on console, and the graphics are on a whole new level, not to mention frame rates, mods to keep old games updated etc etc

I understand that there are people that want the best graphics and the best textures money can buy "I recently bought a
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1141174&gclid=CODsnKGotsgCFQ8lgQod5mIGUg&is=REG&m=Y&Q=&A=details

Just for my PC gaming."

Now with having said that I believe the days of PC only titles are dying out. I spent the $194.00 for early access to ArcheAge last year and that was one of the reasons along with ESO that I dropped the $2k+ on that Asus!

All I am saying is that the days of having to own a PC that you could use to run a space expedition to mars with are long gone. Consoles today are able to run most MMO's. In fact I look for games like GW2 and a few others to port over to consoles in the next year or two.

Back to the topic: If ESO dies it will NOT have anything to do with the console community not embracing it.. It will be because the developers failed the console MMO community!!

People need to stop thinking that all console players are all children or that console people are as a whole just mindless casuals! I happen to know a number of folks around my age that all have been playing MMO's together from game to game for YEARS and we all enjoy playing on our console.!

Hole Jesus Christ laptop prices are insane.

I bought my rig, for less than 700 pounds, it'd capable of supporting even games like crysis 3 on a 4k screen. Hell it should be able to play any game at 4k for the next 5 years

How the hell do laptops cost that much more!?!

ItsRejectz · October 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

I have said it before but I still just do not understand how consoles could ever sustain an mmo for very long. Granted I know there are a few that have lasted a while but it just seems like the wrong demographic for mmo gaming in general. I'm sure there are some hardcore mmo'ers on console but overall, it seems like consoles are more suited to buy it, beat it, move on. Personally that's how I console game, and out of a large group of friends and acquaintances who game, I don't know of any who mmo on console. Maybe the demographic is changing though and I just haven't witnessed it yet in my circle.

EQOA lasted over 10 years on console, DCUO has so far lasted over 5 years on console plus, it still has a bigger player base on console than on PC. FFXIV has also been going a few years and is still very popular on the ps4 (ported from ps3)
You may not have not have many friends who play MMO's on console, but there is no denying the fact they do extremely well on consoles.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

It won't die on PS4.

CapnPhoton · October 2015

I would think that they would offer a transfer option since it is essentially the same game.

Console MMOs have been around since the 90s and they are hit and miss when it comes to whether they have been successful. Some ran for a long time, others not. Probably most notably, EQOA on PS2 ran for 9 years. There are quite a few in the currently generation. I think they realize that PC sales have been declining for years and consoles are also a viable market.

Elsonso · October 2015

I recently removed the PS4 megaserver from my signature, as I am pretty much only PC/Mac now. That said, I doubt the PS4, or any platform, is going away any time soon.

There has been a rapid decline in the observable PS4 game population, especially when compared to the PC/Mac megaserver. Primary cities in primary zones are lightly populated while the corresponding places on the PC/Mac server are bustling.

I would attribute some of this decline to the normal block of lookie loos that poke around and then move on. Still, ESO is not an easy game to love, from an operational perspective. You have to be able to tolerate quirky servers, bugs that are never going to be fixed, exploits that are allowed to run for months, long waits between patches that don't fix all the problems, a less than optimal handshake between the console "first party" and ZOS, and other issues that are best not mentioned directly.

I also think that the Imperial City faux pas with the surprise resetting of the skill points caused a lot more problems for console than it did for PC/Mac. The console UI and lack of add-ons does not lend itself well to that sort of behavior. Hopefully, there is a new plaque in the main entrance of the ZOS HQ that states a new corporate mission to never do that again.

I am sure that they want to turn this battleship around, and eventually those two guys out there rowing will do it. I guess they are depending on people returning in a couple years when they finally fix the game.

Orsinium should help, as I think it suits the player base better than Imperial City.

Funkopotamus · October 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

@Funkopotamus I disagree, I think pc gaming is bigger than ever, hence the Alienware alpha, long gone are the days that you need an office to put a pc in, and a monitor and keyboard and setups, you can get a pc, plug it into the TV in the living room and use a controller.

And I don't think anyone could ever argue a console is anywhere near as powerful as a built pc. I recently purchased bf 4 on my pc that I used to have on console, and the graphics are on a whole new level, not to mention frame rates, mods to keep old games updated etc etc

I understand that there are people that want the best graphics and the best textures money can buy "I recently bought a
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1141174&gclid=CODsnKGotsgCFQ8lgQod5mIGUg&is=REG&m=Y&Q=&A=details

Just for my PC gaming."

Now with having said that I believe the days of PC only titles are dying out. I spent the $194.00 for early access to ArcheAge last year and that was one of the reasons along with ESO that I dropped the $2k+ on that Asus!

All I am saying is that the days of having to own a PC that you could use to run a space expedition to mars with are long gone. Consoles today are able to run most MMO's. In fact I look for games like GW2 and a few others to port over to consoles in the next year or two.

Back to the topic: If ESO dies it will NOT have anything to do with the console community not embracing it.. It will be because the developers failed the console MMO community!!

People need to stop thinking that all console players are all children or that console people are as a whole just mindless casuals! I happen to know a number of folks around my age that all have been playing MMO's together from game to game for YEARS and we all enjoy playing on our console.!

Hole Jesus Christ laptop prices are insane.

I bought my rig, for less than 700 pounds, it'd capable of supporting even games like crysis 3 on a 4k screen. Hell it should be able to play any game at 4k for the next 5 years

How the hell do laptops cost that much more!?!

I dunno I guess because it is portable? lol

I only paid for that laptop so I could take it with me when I travel for work. I can do everything I need to for work....... Oh I can also run ANY game that comes out for the next 5 years on it if I am traveling for work and stuck in a hotel room.

But at the end of the day I would much rather be gaming on a console. I just wish more MMO's were available. Right now all we have as far as MMO's go on Xbox one are ESO and Neverwinter.. Sadly Neverwinters population is A LOT higher than ESO's..

I just wish ZOS would get things ironed out and make this game more than just stunning graphics.. The skeleton of a history making MMO is here... But there is just so many things ZO$ could Should do a better job with!

Keepercraft · October 2015

Better option is to make one server for all.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · October 2015

Those charts do not include digital downloads directly from Bethesda. Im sure a LOT of people bought it directly from them.

icontested · October 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why are you concerned about this?

Yeh that's kind of what I was wondering lol

Nothing's shutting down anytime soon. Relax, go play.

Until its announced how many subscribers there are, these concerns are real. 1 subscriber = 1 paying account. Not 1 account with 8 alts making a fake 8 subscribers.

The reason the group finder sucks is not because it doesn't work.. There's no one playing this game. Opening it up to all factions will be nice, but co-ordinated PvP cheating will reach an all time high. With no gamemasters on console it wont matter regardless.

It doesn't take a genius to see what's going on here. Real numbers or these people are raising a legitimate concern.

Scyantific · October 2015

If console ESO dies it'll be a good thing. More time to focus on quality content for the PC ver-pfffthahahahahahahaha can't even finish that sentence. If it dies ZOS will pull the plug on the PC fanbase as well.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

icontested wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why are you concerned about this?

Yeh that's kind of what I was wondering lol

Nothing's shutting down anytime soon. Relax, go play.

Until its announced how many subscribers there are, these concerns are real. 1 subscriber = 1 paying account. Not 1 account with 8 alts making a fake 8 subscribers.

The reason the group finder sucks is not because it doesn't work.. There's no one playing this game. Opening it up to all factions will be nice, but co-ordinated PvP cheating will reach an all time high. With no gamemasters on console it wont matter regardless.

It doesn't take a genius to see what's going on here. Real numbers or these people are raising a legitimate concern.

Someone is uninformed. The real truth is people are either sitting in a crowded market area or are in Cyrodiil.

icontested · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why are you concerned about this?

Yeh that's kind of what I was wondering lol

Nothing's shutting down anytime soon. Relax, go play.

Until its announced how many subscribers there are, these concerns are real. 1 subscriber = 1 paying account. Not 1 account with 8 alts making a fake 8 subscribers.

The reason the group finder sucks is not because it doesn't work.. There's no one playing this game. Opening it up to all factions will be nice, but co-ordinated PvP cheating will reach an all time high. With no gamemasters on console it wont matter regardless.

It doesn't take a genius to see what's going on here. Real numbers or these people are raising a legitimate concern.

Someone is uninformed. The real truth is people are either sitting in a crowded market area or are in Cyrodiil.

Nope. 1 paying subscriber counts towards the total. The total sub count are the people who pay the bills. Total count of paying customers or the rest is flake talk.

I've seen your responses. You are better than average, but my logic is at its core the real truth. You are dismissed

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

This game has been going for years already on PC and so far the playerbase has not diminished enough to cut into their profit margin nor do I expect it will anytime soon. It's been about 4 months now since ESO released to consoles so stop expecting doomsday so soon already and just play the damn game. Personally, I would still play the game if I wanted to even if the servers were ghost towns.

Ugh What?!?

PC is working on its third year. As of Console Launch it was entering its second year. And the playerbase dipped quite a lot after the first summer.

ESO is no more special than any other MMO out there. If they make too many decisions that chase off too many players at any given time. They run the risk of the title tanking. And Console has definitely saw an exodus. Unlike PC Players Console players have the ability to sell their game if it does not please them. So theyre less likely to stick with it through hard times if the game takes a turn for the worst. Since they arent completely out their investment like PC Players.

icontested · October 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

This game has been going for years already on PC and so far the playerbase has not diminished enough to cut into their profit margin nor do I expect it will anytime soon. It's been about 4 months now since ESO released to consoles so stop expecting doomsday so soon already and just play the damn game. Personally, I would still play the game if I wanted to even if the servers were ghost towns.

Ugh What?!?

PC is working on its third year. As of Console Launch it was entering its second year. And the playerbase dipped quite a lot after the first summer.

ESO is no more special than any other MMO out there. If they make too many decisions that chase off too many players at any given time. They run the risk of the title tanking. And Console has definitely saw an exodus. Unlike PC Players Console players have the ability to sell their game if it does not please them. So theyre less likely to stick with it through hard times if the game takes a turn for the worst. Since they arent completely out their investment like PC Players.

Destiny has another guaranteed 9 years and they just announced the next two DLCs will be free.. Your thoughts on that?

acw37162 · October 2015

What on earth would make you think console is dying?

Console accounts in all likelihood out number PC accounts at the moment.

Scyantific · October 2015

acw37162 wrote: »

What on earth would make you think console is dying?

Console accounts in all likelihood out number PC accounts at the moment.

Maybe overall, but definitely not active console accounts.

Also you're taking two platforms that are still in the "honeymoon" phase versus one platform that's past that phase and into the "why the f*** did I get involved in this" phase.

LameoveR · October 2015

"If ESO console dies..." like a start of some song.

Nova Sky · October 2015

Yep. ESO is dying, just like it has been since the day it launched on the PC/Mac. I mean, it's totally dying. Or, as Dr. McCoy wouldn't say, "She's a goner, Jim. She's a goner!"

*sigh*

zornyan · October 2015

@Funkopotamus

It seems like a nice bit of kit, your only limiting factors will be the cp and gpu, as even atm the 980m will struggle to do much more than 35fps on a demanding game.

I know portable tech costs more money, but take for instance 700 got me this

2tb HD
250gb SSD
36mb ram
2 x radeaon r9 390s 16gb
I7 4790k 4.5ghz overclocked

And a nice water cooling system to keep it dead silent. I don't have a 4k TV yet (that's a Christmas thing) but I plugged it into a friends, and I can honestly say I've never Seen such a crisp clear image before.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

Keepercraft wrote: »

Better option is to make one server for all.

No thanks...it's better separated
I recall the days when server maintenance was two - times every week.
I can only imagine server maintenance chaos and then the PC folks being upset cause DLC is always delayed until both Xbox and Sony pass it via cert.

Trust me...it's better seperated.

ScruffyWhiskers · October 2015

LameoveR wrote: »

"If ESO console dies..." like a start of some song.

In the year 2525
If ESO is still alive
If sales can survive
They may find-

In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to bubble no shields
Proc no Shards
Every time you bolt away
Is corrected in the nerf they did today

In the year 4545
Ain't gonna need those flappy wings
Won't need no dragon's blood
You won't find a skill to use
Nobody really cares about you

In the year 5555
Your mouse is worn out and died
Your hands got nothing to do
Some gold farmer is doing it for you

In the year 6565
Ain't going to need no cloak
Won't really need to hide
You'll Ambush them all, surprise attack them too
Then post it all on Youtube

Whoa-oh-oh

In the year 7510
If Balance is coming
It ought to be by then
Maybe the devs will look around and say
"Guess it's time to nerf away"

In the year 8510
Wheeler is gonna shake his mighty head
He'll either say, "I'm pleased where PvP has been"

Or tear it down and start again
Whoa-oh-oh

In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering
If Cyrodiil is gonna be alive;
EP has taken everything this old Tamriel can give
And they ain't put back nothing
Whoa-oh-oh

Now it's been ten thousand years
Care bears have cried a billion tears
For what they never knew
Now gated access is through

But through the eternal night
The twinkling of starlight
So very far away
Maybe it's only yesterday...

danew6 · October 2015

It is sad that it's this new (on consol) and people already worried about it dying and losing all their characters. Way to reassure your customers you know what you're doing.

kalimar44 · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I have said it before but I still just do not understand how consoles could ever sustain an mmo for very long. Granted I know there are a few that have lasted a while but it just seems like the wrong demographic for mmo gaming in general. I'm sure there are some hardcore mmo'ers on console but overall, it seems like consoles are more suited to buy it, beat it, move on. Personally that's how I console game, and out of a large group of friends and acquaintances who game, I don't know of any who mmo on console. Maybe the demographic is changing though and I just haven't witnessed it yet in my circle.

Well EQOA for the PS2 lasted for over 12 years.. Even after the PS3 came out people were still playing it.. AND IT EVEN CHARGED A MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION FEE!

If the right company is behind a console MMO it will last for years.

I played that game for years. It was a really fun MMO to play on the ps2.

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

icontested wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Why are you concerned about this?

Yeh that's kind of what I was wondering lol

Nothing's shutting down anytime soon. Relax, go play.

Until its announced how many subscribers there are, these concerns are real. 1 subscriber = 1 paying account. Not 1 account with 8 alts making a fake 8 subscribers.

The reason the group finder sucks is not because it doesn't work.. There's no one playing this game. Opening it up to all factions will be nice, but co-ordinated PvP cheating will reach an all time high. With no gamemasters on console it wont matter regardless.

It doesn't take a genius to see what's going on here. Real numbers or these people are raising a legitimate concern.

Someone is uninformed. The real truth is people are either sitting in a crowded market area or are in Cyrodiil.

Nope. 1 paying subscriber counts towards the total. The total sub count are the people who pay the bills. Total count of paying customers or the rest is flake talk.

I've seen your responses. You are better than average, but my logic is at its core the real truth. You are dismissed

You do realize that subscribers alone do not determine the playerbase population right? That fact alone flaws your logic. Might want to check your facts before you try to act high and mighty.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

This game has been going for years already on PC and so far the playerbase has not diminished enough to cut into their profit margin nor do I expect it will anytime soon. It's been about 4 months now since ESO released to consoles so stop expecting doomsday so soon already and just play the damn game. Personally, I would still play the game if I wanted to even if the servers were ghost towns.

Ugh What?!?

PC is working on its third year. As of Console Launch it was entering its second year. And the playerbase dipped quite a lot after the first summer.

ESO is no more special than any other MMO out there. If they make too many decisions that chase off too many players at any given time. They run the risk of the title tanking. And Console has definitely saw an exodus. Unlike PC Players Console players have the ability to sell their game if it does not please them. So theyre less likely to stick with it through hard times if the game takes a turn for the worst. Since they arent completely out their investment like PC Players.

Not if they buy it digitally.

dday3six · October 2015

I don't think it's going to die on console any time particularly soon, it's just thinning out. ESO has an identity crisis, and not everyone is going to put up with that, thus some players are leaving.

Player population is going to be in a state of flux until ZOS decides between immersive single player and mmorpg. Right now they are burning the candle at both ends. Console suffers more from this because they lack the addons of PC to pull more toward a fully flushed MMO. Anyone wanting a more traditional MMO on console is left out, as telling them "just play PC"', isn't a vaild answer. In the same vain communication methods on console are lacking, so it's hard to find players who are interested in the same content, and this affects both parties adversely.