jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade isn't the problem. Stamina nb damage is the problem.

Wrecking blow still hits for upwards of 15k plus its free heavy attack, Steel Tornado is unavoidable in the tight areas of IC, and it still shreds, and snare immunity from Shuffle in a meta where snares are powerful.

Wrecking blow and Steel Tornado aren't nb skills. Most of the stam nbs doesn't even use wrecking blow.

point is:

we dont have seal heals like a templar
we are not as tanky as a DK
we are not as mobile/tanky/bursty as a sorc

if they nerf cloak we need something new/buffed considering all of the current counters to cloak. either that or remove the counters.

Devotion wrote: »

point is:

we dont have seal heals like a templar
we are not as tanky as a DK
we are not as mobile/tanky/bursty as a sorc

if they nerf cloak we need something new/buffed considering all of the current counters to cloak. either that or remove the counters.

Because stamina sorcs were the ones shield stacking bolt spamming that got the nerfs called on the class. If sorc's have taken so many nerfs and are still complained about i'm sure NB's will be fine, and if you seriously think cloak is the only thing the class offers, take cloak off both of your bars and try to improvise. NB's already have a lot, they are the best off class in my opinion atm and sitting everything you have on this skill makes it look more and more like a crutch.

Devotion wrote: »

point is:

we dont have seal heals like a templar
we are not as tanky as a DK
we are not as mobile/tanky/bursty as a sorc

if they nerf cloak we need something new/buffed considering all of the current counters to cloak. either that or remove the counters.

How DK is tankier than NB? NB has armor buff too. 5% more mitigation when you block is nothing. And blocking is nerfed because of the no stamina regen.

eliisra wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

It is very simple, NB was gimped for a year so while everyone (except maybe the temps) were enjoying easy mode we learned to adapt and play. Now ZOS have fixed a broken skill and suddenly with our full toolset all that learning is paying off, we know about mobility and LoS, but other classes now need to learn that too - but it is much easier to call for nerfs and ZOS have already said they will change their nappies... no... sorry... 'balance' cloak... but we will still kill the bad ones. The good ones won't care 'cos they already adapted to a nearly working cloak and are still doing fine.

That's *** and you know it. You seem to think the first few months if this game's existence lasted an entire year

Mele stamina builds where gimped for almost a year, not NB's. They became competitive magicka users from 1.3 patch and onward. Same with templars.

I personally played magicka NB almost exclusively in 1.5 because of how awesome she was. NB stamina instagibber with bow was also one of the most annoying and overtuned thing about 1.5.

If you want to compare story of the gimps, templar will beat you with a huge margin. Because they became completely rubbish again in patch 1.6, while NB's been THE PvP class(with sorcs) for half a year now. Yet, you keep telling yourself you're still the underdog somehow, even when this game is 80% fotm Nightblade Online in PvP. I just dont get it.

Topic: I dont think there's anything wrong with Cloak itself, issue is magicka builds lacking effective counters like Steel Tornado + Caltrops. You have little chance v.s Cloak with only short range, travelling timed and short duration class- or destro staff AoE, especially in IC. Why you rarely see stamina builds whine about Cloak, they have great PBAoE and GTAoE counters that also works phenomenally well in a normal PvP build.

I am a DW melee stamina NB and always have been - believe me I know gimped & I know the pain and pleasure of overcoming it.

We'll enjoy our brief time of cloak being functional and then simply go back to finding other ways to win.

Devotion wrote: »

point is:

we dont have seal heals like a templar
we are not as tanky as a DK
we are not as mobile/tanky/bursty as a sorc

if they nerf cloak we need something new/buffed considering all of the current counters to cloak. either that or remove the counters.

Sorcs are NOT "mobile/tanky" anymore, allthough we can still be bursty. Playing IC with HALF strength Wards and uselessly gimped Balls of Lightning is a miserable experience, especially when NBs can just dart in and out and not even take any damage!

Really? There are people who are saying he is whining? What do you call all the threads you people make? Constructive critic? No. It's whining. Stop being hypocrites.

"Common sense" is the mantra of poor thinking. The world is complex. Common sense leads to crap decision making.

usmcjdking wrote: »

How to tell if a skill is OP or not:

Eclipse nerf:

Confusion. Lots of "lol wut".

Cloak nerf:

Doom & gloom. Game quitting. Mass forum rage.

Yep, just like the ninja nerf to talons.

Stop nerfing classes, this is dumb. Cloak is not why that NB kicked your ass. NB is kickin your ass cause it is a well designed class with functioning passives and good burst dmg and the PERSON playing it is better than you. Other classes need small buffs, that's all. Please stop asking for nerfs, ZOS never gets the nerfs right.

Every NB I know fears the big magelight. I dont wanna hear that I have to give up a skill for one class BS. I have an entire bar dedicated to escaping and counters with a grand total of 2 damage skills equiped.

In all honesty thought a NB without cloak is a deadblade. ZoS does not do anything subtle and any nerf would more than likely make them the worst class in the game by a long shot.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable

It also sucks giving up Inner Light's extra 2% damage and 4% Ward strength just to counter ONE cheesy mechanic.

Just like it sucks having to rely on Vigor for any chance of self healing.


What you people are not understanding is that NB's only defense is its cloak. You take that away or nerf it in the way you people are wanting, then Nightblades will die out.

It won't be balancing the game. It won't be fair combat. It will be ZoS catering to and caving in for a bunch of players who are not utilizing their own skills effectively. It is a widely accessible knowledge that Cloak is EASILY counterable. You all would know that if you actually spent your time testing skills and adapting versus spending your time complaining about a class mechanic in hopes it will be nerfed. Then you'll just move onto another class you can't beat and complain, complain, complain until ZoS caves in again. If reading this and you can relate to this approach, then you're probably just bad at the game.

Where everyone is saying how they can't be Nightblades, you never hear from those who actually gank NBs all day and never have a problem. You only see that a few people can't beat them, when there are probably thousands of players that have no problem against the class. I suggest getting with those people and find out what they are doing and start outkilling NBs.

The_Outsider wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Go play Nightblade.

In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.

It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.

And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.

What Stamina users gain in damage, they lose in the inability to spam Cloak.

Also, most people wrongly assume that Cloak is just an insta-win. An avoid all damage and pressure at the push of a button. This is not the case. Cloak must be combined with positioning, situational awareness, Line-of-Sight, and a few earnest prayers that your enemies don't slot counters, to even be effective.

Also most of the NBs posting here are doing so in response to either the forum-wide non-NB QQ, or the reply given by ZOS that they are considering nerfs. That is the definition of feedback.

...And players have realized that through the use of positioning, line of sight, situational awareness, and movement speed buffs, they can effectively remain cloaked and avoid damage indefinitely which is the real problem.

Also I have heard players in TS bragging about how good cloak spam with maneuvers is.

Also you are still plugging magelight as a counter? Now you can really smell the BS.

Cathexis wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Go play Nightblade.

In combat, Cloak is extremely unreliable as a tool of evasion because AoEs and potions are extremely easy to obtain.

It's useless as a tool of escape against anyone with these counters.

And outside of combat, it doesn't matter what it does. All this complaint about Cloaking around is completely beside the point. A Cloaked Nightblade is not dealing damage, and what damage they do deal is either inhibited by Magelight (for magicka uses) or completely outclassed by your own damage (for stamina users) thanks to the CP system and weapon damage weapon glyphs.

What Stamina users gain in damage, they lose in the inability to spam Cloak.

Also, most people wrongly assume that Cloak is just an insta-win. An avoid all damage and pressure at the push of a button. This is not the case. Cloak must be combined with positioning, situational awareness, Line-of-Sight, and a few earnest prayers that your enemies don't slot counters, to even be effective.

Also most of the NBs posting here are doing so in response to either the forum-wide non-NB QQ, or the reply given by ZOS that they are considering nerfs. That is the definition of feedback.

...And players have realized that through the use of positioning, line of sight, situational awareness, and movement speed buffs, they can effectively remain cloaked and avoid damage indefinitely which is the real problem.

Also I have heard players in TS bragging about how good cloak spam with maneuvers is.

Also you are still plugging magelight as a counter? Now you can really smell the BS.

Magelight give you a fighting chance against disappearing nightblades. Combine that with SOME form of AOE and you should be able to survive the initial attack and the in and out tactics. Hit them with a DoT and that makes it worse. If you have none of these on your bar, what in the world are you using?

Also, that buff from might of the guild you get when reactivating your magelight actually might help you. It's one of the ways nightblades burst you down.

Now, someone explain to me night blade survivability without dark cloak.

Cloak doesn't need a nerf, but neither did bolt escape (at least not the latest one), reflective scales, or blazing shield. Block didn't need a nerf, or dodge roll. The only thing that needed to happen in this game was a cap on champion points, soft caps put back in the game (they could adjust the cap when they adjusted champion points if need be), Some form of dynamic ult gen to aid when fighting outnumbered, armor pen and nirn fixes, and health going back to the 1.5 ratio it was at prior to 1.6. However it is much easier to apply blanket nerfs and nerf every skill into the ground until there is nothing left to whine about.