v17 and v18 achievement OUT OF DATE, confirmed not happening.

Gilliamtherogue · October 2015

Edited after green posted in seperate forum, the achievements for v17+v18 are confirmed to be out dated. Here's the green post before more of you start losing your minds.

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

Hey all,

We are not raising the Veteran Rank level cap. The text is a relic of the past that we missed in our clean up pass, and won't be included when the patch goes to the live megaservers. Hope this helps to clarify!

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · October 2015

Surprising

LordSemaj · October 2015

Your concept of "confirmed" could use some redefining.

Get a quote from ZOS that those aren't simply placeholders for the future, just as every CP achievement now is.

Cillion3117 · October 2015

The thing that should not be.....

Gilliamtherogue · October 2015

LordSemaj wrote: »

Your concept of "confirmed" could use some redefining.

Get a quote from ZOS that those aren't simply placeholders for the future, just as every CP achievement now is.

If it was a placeholder it wouldn't specify v17-v18, it'd simply say discover the new runes and list them in a fold down.

Yakidafi · October 2015

Oh Akatosh!

By Sheogoraths pants!

Mehrunes come take us all!

MisterJimothy · October 2015

Before we all freak out, lets remember a few things

1. They had Vet ranks planned out for months/years originally. This could just be old code slipping through
2. Whatever new system they use to replace VR ranks will still need to reference back to the VR system. VRs are tied into everything, and allowed a simple increase in rank to scale up everything from monsters to food to gear. This just might be that progression leaking through, but may never come to light.
3. VR18 might happen anyways. As has been said, removing VRs is going to take a long time and they aren't just a switch. Depending on their progress, it might be a trade off of removing vet ranks while holding up finished content.

Pheefs · October 2015

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

So what's up ZoS? Are you finally admitting that Veteran ranks aren't all that bad, or is this just another step that needs to be taken before you can remove them?

I think 'removed' is the wrong word really, we need to start calling it 'converting' the V levels
All the crafting tiers are tied to level, its a core mechanic of the game.

& given the clue you found, they will have to tell us what is going on when & if they do raise the level cap again, right?
RIGHT?

Ourorboros · October 2015

MisterJimothy wrote: »

Before we all freak out, lets remember a few things

1. They had Vet ranks planned out for months/years originally. This could just be old code slipping through
2. Whatever new system they use to replace VR ranks will still need to reference back to the VR system. VRs are tied into everything, and allowed a simple increase in rank to scale up everything from monsters to food to gear. This just might be that progression leaking through, but may never come to light.
3. VR18 might happen anyways. As has been said, removing VRs is going to take a long time and they aren't just a switch. Depending on their progress, it might be a trade off of removing vet ranks while holding up finished content.

Or they are trying to figure how to sell non-removal of VR ranks? Every other time we've seen things like this show up in achievements on PTS, they made it to the game.

Addihul · October 2015

My life is over.. I shall lie down in green pastures..

MisterJimothy · October 2015

I think the larger issue is using the word "removed." The concept of progressing through some sort of "level" past 50 isn't going away. The entire game is based around it. Now, whether it's the CP system or something else, we'll see. But it's perfectly logical to think they planned VR ranks to, say, VR20 or more even. Like I said, it isn't a switch, and the system is still in place. This may convert from VR17-18 to CP Level 41-45 or whatever else replaces it.

b92303008rwb17_ESO · October 2015

MisterJimothy wrote: »

Before we all freak out, lets remember a few things

1. They had Vet ranks planned out for months/years originally. This could just be old code slipping through
2. Whatever new system they use to replace VR ranks will still need to reference back to the VR system. VRs are tied into everything, and allowed a simple increase in rank to scale up everything from monsters to food to gear. This just might be that progression leaking through, but may never come to light.
3. VR18 might happen anyways. As has been said, removing VRs is going to take a long time and they aren't just a switch. Depending on their progress, it might be a trade off of removing vet ranks while holding up finished content.

What freaks me out is that they keep saying they are going to remove veteran ranks while they keep doing the opposite. I am fine with level cap being raised every one or two years in most MMORPG. But if they promise the removal of veteran ranks, at least show us some good will and reveal some of the details or schedule.

I gotta say it all really feels like a huge lie.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

MisterJimothy wrote: »

I think the larger issue is using the word "removed." The concept of progressing through some sort of "level" past 50 isn't going away. The entire game is based around it. Now, whether it's the CP system or something else, we'll see. But it's perfectly logical to think they planned VR ranks to, say, VR20 or more even. Like I said, it isn't a switch, and the system is still in place. This may convert from VR17-18 to CP Level 41-45 or whatever else replaces it.

check this out and let me know how you would interpret the term after this?

Teiji wrote: »

Timestamp 52:50

https://youtu.be/5Rtw2wfJaLU?t=52m50s

Matt Firor said they're being removed after Orsinium. He said this @ Quakecon 2015. As has been stated many, many times already and several times in this thread.

MisterJimothy · October 2015

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

MisterJimothy wrote: »

Before we all freak out, lets remember a few things

1. They had Vet ranks planned out for months/years originally. This could just be old code slipping through
2. Whatever new system they use to replace VR ranks will still need to reference back to the VR system. VRs are tied into everything, and allowed a simple increase in rank to scale up everything from monsters to food to gear. This just might be that progression leaking through, but may never come to light.
3. VR18 might happen anyways. As has been said, removing VRs is going to take a long time and they aren't just a switch. Depending on their progress, it might be a trade off of removing vet ranks while holding up finished content.

What freaks me out is that they keep saying they are going to remove veteran ranks while they keep doing the opposite. I am fine with level cap being raised every one or two years in most MMORPG. But if they promise the removal of veteran ranks, at least show us some good will and reveal some of the details or schedule.

I gotta say it all really feels like a huge lie.

Another thing I thought of: they may have originally planned to make Orsinium VR17-18 (it's been in Dev since the game launched, and well before the VR removal stuff). Wasn't there datamined mats a while back that don't match up with what we have now? This just might be that leaking, and they never removed the achievement after deciding not to increase the level cap.

Asherons_Call · October 2015

Who cares? This is an MMO. Level cap increases in MMOs are like peanut butter and chocolate. The sooner everyone comes to terms with this fact the better. This is the reason I never scramble for the newest most leet gear. There is no point. Just wait until a level cap increase then get it. It's not the end of the world if you have gear that is .50% less efficient.

Skaeth · October 2015

Can anybody tell me why all the VR hate exists? From my understanding VR is essentially just a level cap increase.

Are people just mad that the level cap is increasing quicker than they want it to?

What am I missing here?

Xendyn · October 2015

First, take the word "confirmed" out of your title. Nothing is confirmed unless an official statement is made. I see no Z post in here. Plus they have already stated no Vet rank increase in this DLC and since this is IN the DLC, I would call it an oversight at best.

It's not like this content is new. Orsinium has been in the works for over a year. Vet rank stuff is going to be everywhere, which is why it's not as easy as flipping a switch to convert away from them. It's tied into everything, as they have said.
The only thing you are confirming is the complexity of removing them.

Acrolas · October 2015

PTS is a Dragon Break of the Dragon Break, where you chase achievements that don't exist in a realm that also doesn't exist.

themdogesbite · October 2015

Well zenimax you better have a really really good explanation for this.

manny254 · October 2015

Well "Decay" and "Depress" seems to be what they are trying to do to the player base.

MisterJimothy · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

MisterJimothy wrote: »

I think the larger issue is using the word "removed." The concept of progressing through some sort of "level" past 50 isn't going away. The entire game is based around it. Now, whether it's the CP system or something else, we'll see. But it's perfectly logical to think they planned VR ranks to, say, VR20 or more even. Like I said, it isn't a switch, and the system is still in place. This may convert from VR17-18 to CP Level 41-45 or whatever else replaces it.

check this out and let me know how you would interpret the term after this?

Teiji wrote: »

Timestamp 52:50

https://youtu.be/5Rtw2wfJaLU?t=52m50s

Matt Firor said they're being removed after Orsinium. He said this @ Quakecon 2015. As has been stated many, many times already and several times in this thread.

I suppose I never caught on that he specifically said the CP was the replacement (thought I think I kinda knew that already). My point was more to say that the progression, be it VR or CP isn't getting removed.

Cazzy · October 2015

They overlooked it. They aren't raising the cap ^_^

Gilliamtherogue · October 2015

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

Hey all,

We are not raising the Veteran Rank level cap. The text is a relic of the past that we missed in our clean up pass, and won't be included when the patch goes to the live megaservers. Hope this helps to clarify!

From the other forum post. Will fix title. You win this round Zeni... For now.

Ourorboros · October 2015

Raise level caps, don't raise level caps, remove VR, don't remove VR.

I think most players don't really care as long as they keep new things coming, make it fun, and fix the GD BUGS.

b92303008rwb17_ESO · October 2015

Your title should be corrected again as confirmed not happening this time.

nimander99 · October 2015

To bad, would be cool if we got some more vet ranks. I fear we won't see anymore due to the community crying about every form of progression in rpg's...

angelyn · October 2015

They confirmed it won't happen in this patch. They didn't explicitly state that VR17 V18 or increasing the level cap would never happen. They just said not in this DLC.

Many people are saying this, and if ZOS don't clarify it will be telling. If V18/increased level cap is not on the cards at ALL (not just in this DLC), then it will be an easy and quick thing for ZOS to tell us that, now that people are asking for clarification on their original response.

Thread title should probably say "confirmed not happening in this DLC"

I'm still wary.