Bow needs love..

jelliedsoup · October 2015

Even animation cancelling doesn't help.

It's dps is minimal, snipe will top out at 8k on a really good day from stealth, once seen the animation time + lag doesn't make it an effective weapon choice.
Being 2 handed it only counts as 1 item too.

If I'm missing anything, let me know.

DannyLV702 · October 2015

Shieldbreaker.

Kobaal · October 2015

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Shieldbreaker.

Shieldbreaker is for PvP (I have the set) and even then its a niche set, only viable if your opponent actually uses shields. For PvE DPS bow's can definatley use some love.

kuscoe · October 2015

snipe will top out at 8k

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Get a real build

ItsRejectz · October 2015

Are you joking? With enough cp, snipe can still crit for over 17k from stealth

Baconlad · October 2015

Absolutely! Thing that really bugs me is that 80% of stamina builds use two handed for the weapon damage and heal "rally". Not to mention the only stamina execute templar has. I'm gimping myself trying to do a dual bow or bow/ 1hs. They need to balance stamina weapon BAD. I think the damage is ok though with two handed buffs. No change needed there, it should be lower damage. But bow doesn't need two damn AOE skills, two single target skills, and a gap extender. Snipe should be replaced, (we have heavy attack, why the hell do we need snipe? Just buff heavy attack damage) and give us a copy of two handed rally...thats all the love we need. Maybe get rid of fire arrows for a heal, and snipe for a damage buff. Or instead of a heal how about just a five second speed buff ability? My ideas

RatedChaotic · October 2015

Baconlad wrote: »

Absolutely! Thing that really bugs me is that 80% of stamina builds use two handed for the weapon damage and heal "rally". Not to mention the only stamina execute templar has. I'm gimping myself trying to do a dual bow or bow/ 1hs. They need to balance stamina weapon BAD. I think the damage is ok though with two handed buffs. No change needed there, it should be lower damage. But bow doesn't need two damn AOE skills, two single target skills, and a gap extender. Snipe should be replaced, (we have heavy attack, why the hell do we need snipe? Just buff heavy attack damage) and give us a copy of two handed rally...thats all the love we need. Maybe get rid of fire arrows for a heal, and snipe for a damage buff. Or instead of a heal how about just a five second speed buff ability? My ideas

Snipe and mark work well together. Major and minor fracture mmmmmm yea. L2P

jelliedsoup · October 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

snipe will top out at 8k

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Get a real build

While my build is not fantastic I have agility pendant rings and hundings. 200 cp. 32k stam.
If you have some suggestions fire away,

I'm talking pvp here. Sniping 28k in pve don't count.

I have never sniped, or been sniped for anything beyond 8k in pvp.

Shield breaker is terrible. Tried it, stopped

jelliedsoup · October 2015

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Absolutely! Thing that really bugs me is that 80% of stamina builds use two handed for the weapon damage and heal "rally". Not to mention the only stamina execute templar has. I'm gimping myself trying to do a dual bow or bow/ 1hs. They need to balance stamina weapon BAD. I think the damage is ok though with two handed buffs. No change needed there, it should be lower damage. But bow doesn't need two damn AOE skills, two single target skills, and a gap extender. Snipe should be replaced, (we have heavy attack, why the hell do we need snipe? Just buff heavy attack damage) and give us a copy of two handed rally...thats all the love we need. Maybe get rid of fire arrows for a heal, and snipe for a damage buff. Or instead of a heal how about just a five second speed buff ability? My ideas

Snipe and mark work well together. Major and minor fracture mmmmmm yea.

I have not seen anyone remain in bow when fighting. It's a starting point, you then move into the serious mode after the initial Bow debuff,

DrunkenGryffinInn · October 2015

Put a prismatic rune on that bow and watch the health meters of all the vampire players drop when you hit em.

RatedChaotic · October 2015

jelliedsoup wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Absolutely! Thing that really bugs me is that 80% of stamina builds use two handed for the weapon damage and heal "rally". Not to mention the only stamina execute templar has. I'm gimping myself trying to do a dual bow or bow/ 1hs. They need to balance stamina weapon BAD. I think the damage is ok though with two handed buffs. No change needed there, it should be lower damage. But bow doesn't need two damn AOE skills, two single target skills, and a gap extender. Snipe should be replaced, (we have heavy attack, why the hell do we need snipe? Just buff heavy attack damage) and give us a copy of two handed rally...thats all the love we need. Maybe get rid of fire arrows for a heal, and snipe for a damage buff. Or instead of a heal how about just a five second speed buff ability? My ideas

Snipe and mark work well together. Major and minor fracture mmmmmm yea.

I have not seen anyone remain in bow when fighting. It's a starting point, you then move into the serious mode after the initial Bow debuff,

I do mostly. Its not just a starter weapon. If you know how to do it. L2P

jelliedsoup · October 2015

RatedChaotic wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Absolutely! Thing that really bugs me is that 80% of stamina builds use two handed for the weapon damage and heal "rally". Not to mention the only stamina execute templar has. I'm gimping myself trying to do a dual bow or bow/ 1hs. They need to balance stamina weapon BAD. I think the damage is ok though with two handed buffs. No change needed there, it should be lower damage. But bow doesn't need two damn AOE skills, two single target skills, and a gap extender. Snipe should be replaced, (we have heavy attack, why the hell do we need snipe? Just buff heavy attack damage) and give us a copy of two handed rally...thats all the love we need. Maybe get rid of fire arrows for a heal, and snipe for a damage buff. Or instead of a heal how about just a five second speed buff ability? My ideas

Snipe and mark work well together. Major and minor fracture mmmmmm yea.

I have not seen anyone remain in bow when fighting. It's a starting point, you then move into the serious mode after the initial Bow debuff,

I do mostly. Its not just a starter weapon. If you know how to do it. L2P

In pvp?

I have seen no-one do this for months so call me sceptical.

Danny231 · October 2015

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Even animation cancelling doesn't help.

It's dps is minimal, snipe will top out at 8k on a really good day from stealth, once seen the animation time + lag doesn't make it an effective weapon choice.
Being 2 handed it only counts as 1 item too.

If I'm missing anything, let me know.

I agree it does need some love

. Lol

GreenSoup2HoT · October 2015

Bow is a support weapon. You cannot keep distance with a bow with everyone using gap closer's these day's.

It's meant to be a group focused weapon in my opinion.

I've seen some killer 4 man team's where there's 1 tank, 1 templar and sorc, then a nightblade sniping from far away. So essentially free dps from the nightblade. The tank and Sorc never Die, the Sorc protect's the temp with mine's etc. Tank is just a damage sponge. Teamwork like this is not seen often because people only play 1vX build's.

jelliedsoup · October 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Bow is a support weapon. You cannot keep distance with a bow with everyone using gap closer's these day's.

It's meant to be a group focused weapon in my opinion.

I've seen some killer 4 man team's where there's 1 tank, 1 templar and sorc, then a nightblade sniping from far away. So essentially free dps from the nightblade. The tank and Sorc never Die, the Sorc protect's the temp with mine's etc. Tank is just a damage sponge. Teamwork like this is not seen often because people only play 1vX build's.

Yeah I'm not sold on it being a support weapon just because it's been designed that way.

Lenikus · October 2015

I used to go Snipy, then teh venon arrow, then (if he is close) magnum shot , and then i swap weaponz, then i go ambush, fear, surprise attack, then i spam some surprise attack some more... if he runs i ambush again.. i dunno it kinda works.

Oh right, i do have mass hysteria in there if i feel i nid it.

So i guess the thing is how Non-Nightblades make do with bows; and even so, yea, they are either assassination weapons, or mere first hitters. It's far more useful to make use of their debuffs and swap back if he runs and/or is ranged than to have the bow as the main... Even as a templar, you can snipe and go toppling charge just before the snipe hits from stealth with the stun, that works well. if you're a dk, same thing, only you pull the guy with ur chains as well. that sounds fun. and sorcs can snipe, streak, uppercut, lel

jelliedsoup · October 2015

I'd like to have the option to use bow it's pretty much *** people off option, then you Sprint away.

Laguz · October 2015

Bow is really good, but then ofcourse not for melee combat.

MikeB · October 2015

The bow is in no way a viable weapon in PvP. At best its a nuisance and at worse its completly use less. Obviously those saying snipe is viable either have a ton of CP's, are playing noobs or have their gear and build set just for snipe, which would be fun to get the OHK but very situational and hardly viable.

jelliedsoup · October 2015

So ZoS any ideas about bow?

I used since beta and have now abandoned it.

It has nothing for a solo player.