Jitterbug wrote: »

Amphibious
Increases swimming speed by x% and Poison and Disease Resistance by x
(removed the potion thing)

Argonian Aptitude
Increases Max Health, Stamina and Magicka by 1/2/3%
(added stamina and magicka but halved the percentage)

Quick to Mend
Increases healing received by 3/6/9% and increases healing done by 2/4/6%
(effectively making self-heals 15% stronger, and maybe even make healers choose the race)

What do you guys think?

I love it just one thing keep the potion passive take the swimming as it really serves no purpose PvP or PvE swimming a little faster is just a complete waste. Buff the poison and disease resistance, nearly everything in the Marsh poisonous not laughing at poison damage as an Argonian is saddening.

Honestly I would rather the health we have now vs 3% more magic or stamina, 6% health and one of them would be great but a little of all three would be too weak.

Quick to mend would be awesome if it worked like that.

#2 is OP as hell.
all three stats increased.
argonian master race.

Levo18 wrote: »

#2 is OP as hell.
all three stats increased.
argonian master race.

even when it's only 1/2/3?

bigereard wrote: »

I think argonian passive is very defensive, and recovery focus.

How about give all regeneration +10%/15% when under the effect of potion.

Instead of damage resistance, how about give argonian immunity/decreased chance/time to certain type of debuff like bleed, disease, poison, or defile.
It'll quite appealing for PvP and self healing build (especially when combine with your concept on quick to mend).

Or
We also can make argonian health-magicka race, since there's no race with that combination. So the bonus is 6% health 6% magicka.

I like that idea... Minor regen on top of the major regen that comes off a tri-stat potion.

As to the other comments, and thanks for those, I'll adjust the OP with your ideas.

Levo18 wrote: »

#2 is OP as hell.
all three stats increased.
argonian master race.

Dunmer get 9% magicka and 6% stamina, but you don't see people calling them OP.

13igTyme wrote: »

bigereard wrote: »

I think argonian passive is very defensive, and recovery focus.

How about give all regeneration +10%/15% when under the effect of potion.

Instead of damage resistance, how about give argonian immunity/decreased chance/time to certain type of debuff like bleed, disease, poison, or defile.
It'll quite appealing for PvP and self healing build (especially when combine with your concept on quick to mend).

Or
We also can make argonian health-magicka race, since there's no race with that combination. So the bonus is 6% health 6% magicka.

That's what I've always wanted. It also fits the lore.

Ive put it is an alternative to #2 in the OP

bigereard wrote: »

Potion's duration is more lore friendly than potion's CD. I would like to see that too.
However it's gonna be OP at some point, if some people invest heavily on potion duration they can have like 30+ sec immovable duration every 45 sec.

About the regeneration, I think it's better if it's not minor buffs, just like any other regen racial.
Since in your concept the argonian will has good healer trait, many people will likely to go templar, and templar already have a skill that give all minor regen.

Wow, I really hope argonian will have more attractive trait in the next patch.

I agree, it would be more fitting to grant major regens, but they will not stack with the effect from a tripot. So I made it minor not to make it redundant.

I know the Templar is archetype healer but I think a lot of people are open minded to things like sorcs or NBs healing, and since it also effect selfhealing it would be beneficial for any build. Maybe not so people would pick Argonian, but if one did it would not be so vastly behind the other racials.

bigereard wrote: »

Ah, apologize if what I am saying is confusing, not a native speaker myself.

What I mean in regen bonus is: neither major or minor buff, but stack with both.
It just like wood elf's Y'ffre endurance or khajit's robust constitution and other racial regen passive.

It's also consistent since there's no major or minor buff in racial skill. (khajit's carnage stack with major/minor savagery, nord's rugged stack with major/minor protection, breton's spell resistance stack with major/minor ward, etc.)

And for the class you're right, it's not always templar.
But there's also NB's relentless focus, and sorc's restoring twilight. Both give minor regen, I think it will be better if these three skill stack with any racial regen.

Anyway, thank for creating this thread, it's nice to see that the little lizard still get some love.

I think I get it now

It's a solid argument, no doubt. Do you have any thoughts on numerical values?

The swim speed was kinda fun while levelling, although I agree it's almost completely useless for tactical purposes. How about we leave the swim speed but give all the other races an almost useless passive to match? That way we could all have fun thinking up useless passives for each race

REMOVE SWIM SPEED!!!! WHAT!?!?! I don't think argonians can handle a nerf like that

How about we remap EVERYONE... argonians included. seeing AD filled with min maxers because they're the only faction with so many OP racials... I mean bretons get some spell resist that is equal to : if an attack does 20k, it will do 18.5k instead. mean while the high elves get the MASTER race caster because staves are elemental damage which they get a boost too.. as are 66% of the skills sorcs can use o.o.... And 21% stamina regen with wood elves, and the gods of crits the khajit?

What do we get as EP and DC? more hit points? more resistances? faster swim? better potion usage? running a little tiny bit faster? what is "THIS" garbage? the bonuses we get arn't even "that" ground breaking. mean while their bonuses are the equivalent to 80 Champion points or so x.x ... and they get to stack that ontop of whatever cp they actually do earn x.x

NativeJoe wrote: »

How about we remap EVERYONE... argonians included. seeing AD filled with min maxers because they're the only faction with so many OP racials... I mean bretons get some spell resist that is equal to : if an attack does 20k, it will do 18.5k instead. mean while the high elves get the MASTER race caster because staves are elemental damage which they get a boost too.. as are 66% of the skills sorcs can use o.o.... And 21% stamina regen with wood elves, and the gods of crits the khajit?

What do we get as EP and DC? more hit points? more resistances? faster swim? better potion usage? running a little tiny bit faster? what is "THIS" garbage? the bonuses we get arn't even "that" ground breaking. mean while their bonuses are the equivalent to 80 Champion points or so x.x ... and they get to stack that ontop of whatever cp they actually do earn x.x

I agree, but I will kindly remind everyone to keep this thread oriented towards tweaking the Argonian passives so we might inspire the devs to make solid passives for this race, because let's face it: ain't nobody cool like argonians

13igTyme wrote: »

Levo18 wrote: »

#2 is OP as hell.
all three stats increased.
argonian master race.

Dunmer get 9% magicka and 6% stamina, but you don't see people calling them OP.

If its a Magicka Build what is 600 Extra Stamina going to do for your build? I'd say Dunmer are the most flexible racial passives but not close to OP or even the best passives.

Nevermind, they fixed everything

@ZoS_GinaBruno wrote:

Racial
Argonian
Amphibious: The swim speed bonus from this ability will now properly apply if you purchase the passive while swimming.

:P

Just thought os something crazy.

What if Argonians got the Bosmer treatment and the first passive actually flat out boosted magicka regen by 7/14/21% .... too much?

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

Just thought os something crazy.

What if Argonians got the Bosmer treatment and the first passive actually flat out boosted magicka regen by 7/14/21% .... too much?

Its cool, although thematically I think the 'Robust' trait actually belongs to the Argonians more than any other race. In actuality I think it should be HIGHER than an Orc or Nord. Argonians are not as tough as an orc or nord, but they bounce back better... that's always been their thing.

I think that's what the healing received is supposed to represent. And honestly health regen would be kind of a lackluster buff :P