Most of what you have to say has been previously responded to. So I'm not going to bother with those parts.Blackhorne wrote: »Blackhorne wrote: »...and the creatures created or summoned there may plague Tamriel for eons.
So they are summoned on the 13th of Frostfall, and you just happen to run into them later. Problem solved.
As I said previously in the thread... if they make these creatures killable NPCs on the 13th the problem is solved, I agree.
Otherwise, no... it is not. I am only willing to go so far with flimsy justifications for this sort of thing.
If they are summoned on the 13th of frost fall... why do I go 8 days without seeing them? Why do they suddenly pop up 8 days later in great quantity?
I really don't think I'm being unreasonable in asking that ZOS respect the lore. I'll go as far as accepting these creatures existence as summoned creatures.
I was trying to avoid the patently obvious assumption you're making, but here it is:
It is not possible to line up the calendars in the way you're attempting. They're defined differently, time flows differently, the ESO:TU calendar is not fully defined, no correlation point has been identified.
Your obsession with October 13, 2015 has absolutely no bearing on the flexibility of the ESO:TU calendar. Any diurnal period in-game could be 13th Frostfall. Why not the first such period which happens to correlate with October 22, 2015?
And here's the final kicker: the choice is not yours to make. Nor is it mine. The only entity in a position to define when 13th Frostfall is is ZOS. Based on the evidence, they've chosen to make it correlate with October 22, 2015. There's no reason why that could not be the case, so your argument that it should be October 13 has no merit.
You further undermine your argument by allowing them to show up before your arbitrary cut-off date, on October 8th. If 13th Frostfall has not happened, how is it that you suddenly start seeing them on what you define as 8th Frostfall?
Going 8 days without seeing something which exists (even something very common) is not unheard of. I have an oak tree outside my house in which squirrels live. Yet I sometimes go for a week or more without seeing those squirrels.
Seeing something 5 days before it can exist is much more unreasonable.
Riko_Futatabi wrote: »So much for in-game events. More crown store nonsense(I know, I know, development needs funding). /yawn
One would HOPE that a bunch of monsters spawn on Frostfall the 13th all across Tamriel for us to fight. That would be fitting the lore.
Makes me wonder with which "festival" they'll come up with in... uhm... 2 months or so to sell their new red-nosed reindeer mount...
@Forestd16b14_ESO
Except they're not. Just because they're calling it Witches Festival, it doesn't mean they're following the lore. Witches Festival has nothing to do with pumpkin monsters, and it's celebrated on Frost Fall 13th, not Frost Fall 22nd to Sun's Dusk 2nd. They're obviously trying to pass a RL holiday off as a Tamrielic one.
lordrichter wrote: »@Gidorick ... lol
Nice try. We all know that the entire purpose of these things is to capitalize on Halloween. The link to the Tamrielic holiday is just to give people some lore to go on due to complaints already posted in the forum. The real reason, the only reason, that ZOS is doing this is Halloween, and you cannot (absolutely CANNOT) end your exclusive Halloween sale before Halloween. Most of the masses would never understand why the Tamrielic holiday is not at the same time as Halloween.
lordrichter wrote: »Makes me wonder with which "festival" they'll come up with in... uhm... 2 months or so to sell their new red-nosed reindeer mount...
The New Life festival. They do not even have to change the date. In the 2nd Era, it was popular to dress up in red outfits with red fur caps and ride around in sleighs pulled by deer while delivering gifts. They used trees decorated by lights and other finery to tell people where to put the gifts. By the 3rd Era, this tradition had changed quite a bit.
Y'all have fun with that. I will not be participating.
Dear ZOS Creative Team (so... @ZOS_RichLambert ):
According to your Crown Store Showcase The Pumpkin Specter and Scarecrow polymorphs are summons for WItches' Festival. Firstly, I applaud you for finding a way to kind of justify this using lore. The description of the Witches' Festival is as follows:
"Today is the 13th of Frostfall, known throughout Tamriel as the Witches' Festival when the forces of sorcery and religion clash. The Mages Guild gets most of the business since weapons and items are evaluated for their mystic potential free of charge and magic spells are one half their usual price. Demonologists, conjurors, lamias, warlocks, and thaumaturgists meet in the wilderness outside (the city), and the creatures created or summoned there may plague Tamriel for eons. Most wise men choose not to wander this night. In Daggerfall, this is the Summoning Day for Mephala."
Only the most stubborn among us could scoff at the idea that these two polymorphs could never be summoned in the wilderness to frighten others. Well done.
Now for the issue... These polymorphs will be available October 22nd. Frostfall is the Tamrielic month of October. As stated above the Witches Festival is on the 13th. These polymorphs will COMPLETELY MISS the Witches' Festival. Are you actively trying to dismiss, ignore, and shrug off lore? The other items in the showcase are being released on October 8th... which is in time for the Witches' Festival.
Either the timing was blatantly and knowingly ignored, or just overlooked... I'm not sure which is worse. Way to go out of your way to prove to your playerbase that these are HALLOWEEN releases... and not for The Witches Festival... which they completely miss.
There is a really easy fix here. Release them on October 8th with the other items... Release them on October 8th and you are guaranteed to sell at least one more of each polymorph.
Another fix would be if there were Mobs of these two polymorphs that we could battle from like October 12th to Halloween.... that would make an in-game event AND it would satisfy these items being in game during the witches festival. Of course, I doubt that work has been done... and if it hasn't, there isn't enough time to make this happen at this point.
Let me try a different angle. If a guild decides to celebrate the Witches' Festival and send monsters out into the world, they cannot do so. The polymorphs aren't available on day of the festival. All they can do is gather on Halloween and do what they planned - but that's not what they're RPing.
Would it kill ZOS to make these two available a week earlier?
Dear ZOS Creative Team (so... @ZOS_RichLambert ):
According to your Crown Store Showcase The Pumpkin Specter and Scarecrow polymorphs are summons for WItches' Festival. Firstly, I applaud you for finding a way to kind of justify this using lore. The description of the Witches' Festival is as follows:
"Today is the 13th of Frostfall, known throughout Tamriel as the Witches' Festival when the forces of sorcery and religion clash. The Mages Guild gets most of the business since weapons and items are evaluated for their mystic potential free of charge and magic spells are one half their usual price. Demonologists, conjurors, lamias, warlocks, and thaumaturgists meet in the wilderness outside (the city), and the creatures created or summoned there may plague Tamriel for eons. Most wise men choose not to wander this night. In Daggerfall, this is the Summoning Day for Mephala."
Only the most stubborn among us could scoff at the idea that these two polymorphs could never be summoned in the wilderness to frighten others. Well done.
Now for the issue... These polymorphs will be available October 22nd. Frostfall is the Tamrielic month of October. As stated above the Witches Festival is on the 13th. These polymorphs will COMPLETELY MISS the Witches' Festival. Are you actively trying to dismiss, ignore, and shrug off lore? The other items in the showcase are being released on October 8th... which is in time for the Witches' Festival.
Either the timing was blatantly and knowingly ignored, or just overlooked... I'm not sure which is worse. Way to go out of your way to prove to your playerbase that these are HALLOWEEN releases... and not for The Witches Festival... which they completely miss.
There is a really easy fix here. Release them on October 8th with the other items... Release them on October 8th and you are guaranteed to sell at least one more of each polymorph.
Another fix would be if there were Mobs of these two polymorphs that we could battle from like October 12th to Halloween.... that would make an in-game event AND it would satisfy these items being in game during the witches festival. Of course, I doubt that work has been done... and if it hasn't, there isn't enough time to make this happen at this point.
lordrichter wrote: »@Gidorick ... lol
Nice try. We all know that the entire purpose of these things is to capitalize on Halloween. The link to the Tamrielic holiday is just to give people some lore to go on due to complaints already posted in the forum. The real reason, the only reason, that ZOS is doing this is Halloween, and you cannot (absolutely CANNOT) end your exclusive Halloween sale before Halloween. Most of the masses would never understand why the Tamrielic holiday is not at the same time as Halloween.
Where did I suggest that they end the sale prior to Halloween @lordrichter? October 8th-November 2nd would be fine.
lordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »@Gidorick ... lol
Nice try. We all know that the entire purpose of these things is to capitalize on Halloween. The link to the Tamrielic holiday is just to give people some lore to go on due to complaints already posted in the forum. The real reason, the only reason, that ZOS is doing this is Halloween, and you cannot (absolutely CANNOT) end your exclusive Halloween sale before Halloween. Most of the masses would never understand why the Tamrielic holiday is not at the same time as Halloween.
Where did I suggest that they end the sale prior to Halloween @lordrichter? October 8th-November 2nd would be fine.
You didn't... the ... uh... people at ZOS did.
Like I said... nice try. Meaning, you wasted your time even posting this because it will not do any good.
lordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »@Gidorick ... lol
Nice try. We all know that the entire purpose of these things is to capitalize on Halloween. The link to the Tamrielic holiday is just to give people some lore to go on due to complaints already posted in the forum. The real reason, the only reason, that ZOS is doing this is Halloween, and you cannot (absolutely CANNOT) end your exclusive Halloween sale before Halloween. Most of the masses would never understand why the Tamrielic holiday is not at the same time as Halloween.
Where did I suggest that they end the sale prior to Halloween @lordrichter? October 8th-November 2nd would be fine.
You didn't... the ... uh... people at ZOS did.
Like I said... nice try. Meaning, you wasted your time even posting this because it will not do any good.
Lol the same can be said for about 99% of my posts. The only post that actually make a difference are probably the bug reports. At this point its almost comical when considering how many posts I've had and how many threads I've started.
Besides, time enjoyed isn't time wasted, so in the end if was at least fun to create them, there's always that.
wtf did I just read
To be fair, I don't understand that either. Saturalia is on the 25th of Evening Star, the New Life Festival is on 1st Morning Star. There's no denying that those Tamrielic holidays were created to line up with real-world ones, so why does the Witches' Festival not line up with Halloween?lordrichter wrote: »Most of the masses would never understand why the Tamrielic holiday is not at the same time as Halloween.
To be fair, I don't understand that either. Saturalia is on the 25th of Evening Star, the New Life Festival is on 1st Morning Star. There's no denying that those Tamrielic holidays were created to line up with real-world ones, so why does the Witches' Festival not line up with Halloween?lordrichter wrote: »Most of the masses would never understand why the Tamrielic holiday is not at the same time as Halloween.
To be fair, I don't understand that either. Saturalia is on the 25th of Evening Star, the New Life Festival is on 1st Morning Star. There's no denying that those Tamrielic holidays were created to line up with real-world ones, so why does the Witches' Festival not line up with Halloween?lordrichter wrote: »Most of the masses would never understand why the Tamrielic holiday is not at the same time as Halloween.
hmm... You have a point. It is interesting that the original writer of the Witches' festival didn't just make it Frostfall the 31st...