Power extraction vs Steel tornado (Post IC)

jebuspowers · October 2015

During my brief time as a stamina Nightblade dps I noticed that power extraction was not only cheaper than steel tornado, but also did more damage. For me the difference was huge. For a friend of mine the difference was not as much. For him the comparison was the same but the gaps were smaller. Of course, extraction has a slightly smaller radius. Obviously power extraction is nice because of major brutality, but tornado comes with a nice passive. How do you guys think these measure up to each other in comparison?

SHADOW2KK · October 2015

Um tbh you should use Sap Essence, or in your case Power Extraction which will increase wpn dmg and have Steel Tornadoe on same bar as the combination of the 2 shreds hostiles.

For group play most stam nb builds will have these 2 skills on their bar.

GreenSoup2HoT · October 2015

Steel Tornado
-20% more damage when target is under 25% hp
-15% more damage when target is CC'd
-100% more damage when target is wounded. (not sure if this is 50 or 25%)

Power Extraction
-Does maybe 10% more damage.
-Hit's 9 target's instead of 6 (the only AoE that passes the Cap/ Sap essence is still 6)
-Give's you 8% max magicka slotted
-Grant's 2 ultimate when used every 2 second's.
-Grant's Major Brutality

So what it come's down to, if you use DW/2H, you don't need Power Extraction. Power Extraction is pretty good until you get your target at low hp. That's where Steel Tornado win's.

I really think power extraction need's some kind of buff (in the healing department) , in IC it got a 15% damage buff but it's not to great in my opinion. The only real good thing about it is you can block cast with 1H'S with this skill. So pop bolstering darkness/veil of blade's and try to out last your enemy/'s.

The only case where you would slot both is if you do not use a 2H for Momentum.

Even as a stamina nb tank, i would use Sap Essence to heal. If im blocking, there is no point wasting your stamina on a little bit of AoE damage.

Power extraction is just a sad excuse for a stamina morph in the siphoning class line. They really need to add in that life leech mechanic like Sap Essence.

jebuspowers · October 2015

I use sap since I tank. As a tank i use neither power extraction nor steel tornado. I was just curious from a dps pov. Any dps out there test them out and compare?

nothing2591 · October 2015

steel tornado because power extraction does magic dmg which means it wont scale with your physical cp.

jebuspowers · October 2015

Is the tool tip wrong then because it says it scales with weapon damage, crit, and stamina.?

GreenSoup2HoT · October 2015

jebuspowers wrote: »

Is the tool tip wrong then because it says it scales with weapon damage, crit, and stamina.?

No. It does scale but just deal's magic damage, like killer's blade. So in the end the skill's are not must have's for player's who use cp on physical damage.

Darkonflare15 · October 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Steel Tornado
-20% more damage when target is under 25% hp
-15% more damage when target is CC'd
-100% more damage when target is wounded. (not sure if this is 50 or 25%)

Power Extraction
-Does maybe 10% more damage.
-Hit's 9 target's instead of 6 (the only AoE that passes the Cap/ Sap essence is still 6)
-Give's you 8% max magicka slotted
-Grant's 2 ultimate when used every 2 second's.
-Grant's Major Brutality

So what it come's down to, if you use DW/2H, you don't need Power Extraction. Power Extraction is pretty good until you get your target at low hp. That's where Steel Tornado win's.

I really think power extraction need's some kind of buff (in the healing department) , in IC it got a 15% damage buff but it's not to great in my opinion. The only real good thing about it is you can block cast with 1H'S with this skill. So pop bolstering darkness/veil of blade's and try to out last your enemy/'s.

The only case where you would slot both is if you do not use a 2H for Momentum.

Even as a stamina nb tank, i would use Sap Essence to heal. If im blocking, there is no point wasting your stamina on a little bit of AoE damage.

Power extraction is just a sad excuse for a stamina morph in the siphoning class line. They really need to add in that life leech mechanic like Sap Essence.

Power extraction does not need a leech life mechanic like Sap essence. Siphoning line is all about siphoning in general and we already have three moves that heals the character.What it needs to do is debuff the enemies hence power extraction would make more sense. Siphoning away attack power and buff yourself.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2015

jebuspowers wrote: »

During my brief time as a stamina Nightblade dps I noticed that power extraction was not only cheaper than steel tornado, but also did more damage. For me the difference was huge. For a friend of mine the difference was not as much. For him the comparison was the same but the gaps were smaller. Of course, extraction has a slightly smaller radius. Obviously power extraction is nice because of major brutality, but tornado comes with a nice passive. How do you guys think these measure up to each other in comparison?

Steel Tornado does more damage if you have points in Mighty and piercing both need Physical damage to work. More Steel Tornado does 300 more points then power extraction. The more cp you have with physical damage buffs the better Steel Tornado is.

You can get that buff from other places as long as Power Extrction does magic damage it will stay off my bar.

GreenSoup2HoT · October 2015

Power extraction does not need a leech life mechanic like Sap essence. Siphoning line is all about siphoning in general and we already have three moves that heals the character.What it needs to do is debuff the enemies hence power extraction would make more sense. Siphoning away attack power and buff yourself.

Nb's already have damage debuff's (mass hysteria / shade's) so the debuff that i feel would fix the best would be Mangle. Lower the maximum hp. However if this happened people would just use this once then spam steel Tornado.

Power extraction need's something that make's it better then steel tornado and not just a pre steel tornado buff.

This is where having that healing like sap essence is so crucial. Being able to receive healing while spamming this would be better then steel tornado. You would not need to block cast the ability since it cost stamina, you could just heal through the damage and use stamina.

It need's a rework or something.