danno8 wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

That's brutal! My wrecking blow takes about 5 mins on the wind up. lol! This almost doesn't even look like the same game I'm playing. 'course I use BA not GS, but still its a world of difference speed-wise. He must also have the weapon speed trait. Block and dodge roll man! Get some distance there. Root him if you have to. Lets be honest, you weren't completely incapacitated for the whole fight, you did have critical moments where you chose healing over getting him under control or putting distance between you. Root (which would've stolen some of his stam) THEN heal would've been your best option imo. But you do have a point, everything else in this game has cooldowns, I just took it for granted that this had a cool down too and never tried it twice in a row. I know with one of the morphs you get a nice dmg bonus on next strike too, as long as its not WB otherwise the dmg would stack and be ridiculously high.

The thing with WB is that the first one has a wind up, but subsequent ones really do not, as the wind up nearly covers over the GCD the game has.

So once you have finished the first WB, subsequent ones are as fast as spamming any instant cast ability. Another reason why spamming it is so lucrative right now.

No kiddin? Like I said, never really tried it more than once as the wind up was so slow (apparently only on the initial). I only ever used it in pve for bosses that I wanted knockdown and dmg bonus on. Once I did it, I always moved on to other follow up abilities. Hmmm interesting....

Araxleon wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

All I can say is:

WB
WB
WB

Crystal frags
Crystal frags
Crystal frags

Focused aim
Focused aim
Focused aim

Biting jabs
Biting jabs
Biting Jabs

Surprise attack
Surprise attack
Surprise attack

My point?

All players mostly spam their best ability as you only have so many slots by the time you slot a heal, gap closer and CC.
Plus weapon swap doesn't work half the time.

all those other skills, frags, focused aim, jabs and surprise give CC immunity, WB will not activate CC immunity until you hit the ground, thus making you double CC break (bug) or get stunned twice in a row. (this isnt only a issue if they spam it)

It needs to give CC immunity after the stun like all other skills.

It is possible to double CC with frags if they don't break the first and you get a lucky proc timing. CC needs to be overhauled completely. I always break everything immediately so I dont really have any trouble aside from fear bugging out.

That's not excusing the CC bugs though.

Damage abilities with a healing component do not get double nerfed from battle spirit.

While I agree WB spam is absolutely skilless in both videos it seemed you didn't manage your stam at all so the complaint imo is invalid

I'm liking the alternative suggestions here.

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kuscoe wrote: »

While I agree WB spam is absolutely skilless in both videos it seemed you didn't manage your stam at all so the complaint imo is invalid

True but after that 2nd video I put most of my (small amount) of CPs into Tumbling (Break free/dodge roll reduced cost) instead of Mooncalf (Stam regen) which slightly helps.

In the heat of battle, everybody makes mistakes... anybody who doesn't admit that is just fooling themselves. I attempted to block a few WB's to get off Puncturing Sweep but of course that was a terrible idea due to Puncturing Sweep not being fast enough to get the knockback effect off before the WB brings the pain.

In my current gear state and choice of CPs, I can break out of a few WBs but that still leaves me vulnerable due to it being spammed, as I'm already saying.. now don't get me wrong, I can kill WB-spammers if I get a good burst off but in the 2nd video (which I cut) whenever I got that one guy down to under 20% health, he'd run at lightning speed and stealth in some random room so it just dragged on like that, even when I chased his retreat with my charge etc.

WrathOfRegicide wrote: »

Honestly what ZoS should've done a long time ago, was to make it so skills have diminishing returns. So if you use Wrecking Blow once you do 100% damage, use it twice in a row 80% damage if you use it a third time in a row 60% damage, etc. It's honestly ridiculous to see people just spam wrecking blow and think they've achieved something when they kill a person. You shouldn't be rewarded for spamming one skill over and over, it just makes a bad PvP experience for everyone.

Players would just weave in light and heavy attacks or animation cancel a different skill and then WB again. Again, the only solution is to fix the problem, not use a bandaid fix. Shorten the animation and fix CC immunity first, then you can tweak WB.

There used to be no CC immunity on Wrecking Blow, people would stun in mid wind up and negate the person using Wrecking Blow so they wouldn't be able to use the skill which is why ZoS added the CC immunity. Also one of main problems of ESO PvP is skill spamming its dumb and NEEDS diminishing returns.

Xeven wrote: »

The problem is NOT Wrecking Blow. Stamina builds need strong abilities to be competitive. The problem is CC immunity. It's whack.

Hmm that's not entirely true. Damage is still out of whack for certain abilities. 11k WB's, 16k heavy attacks (DK buffed ofc), 10k surprise attacks ...... there are other culprits but these I see a lot.

EnOeZ wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Hello. I made a Wrecking Blow topic ages ago and basically complained about how it is spammable and CC immunity sometimes doesn't free you from its constant knockdown, so I came back.. with a video. but first....

Please Note: I do not intend on naming and shaming the player, as it is not exactly the fault of the player if they're allowed to continuously spam the same hard-hitting, CC-ing ability. I also know that I got wrecked by a lower level (who is scaled up to v10 in PvP, but still) and before the "L2P" replies, I am a Magicka Templar, I didn't have enough Stamina to keep breaking out/dodge roll away, I'm in 5 light 2 heavy (epics) and this is before the IC patch.

Also: I do not know if this has been addressed/fixed in the Imperial City update, as I'm on PS4 and ours isn't until the 16th.

So basically, I'm wondering why Wrecking Blow's knockback doesn't have much diminishing returns and continuously knocks one down, and why CC immunity isn't protecting me at the right time, as you can see in this short video. The player is able to do a total of 16 Wrecking Blows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU9PH0YLpmU

I don't get it.
This is PVP, where is your instant CC ability ?
Where is your root ?

You have to slot those kinds of abilities for PVP otherwise, of course one will spam its most damaging ability if he has the opportunity to.

Wrecking Blow is a one sec cast during the time of which you should :

• CC
• Root and Move
• Roll dodge (ok you have low stamina)

However completely sacrificing stamina, stamina related Champion Points, items and/or stamina-giving abilities and/or passive your class has comes with a price. It also seams to me you take a lot of damage either your opponent runs a glass canon style, either you are low on defenses: how many impenetrable traits, how many defensive CPs, what armor ?

Perhaps you have a more PVE oriented background, just use Soft and Hard CCs to avoid this situation and pimp your passive and active defenses.

Hope it helps.

I don't think templars have one.

Just battled an old friend just returning in an arranged duel, he spammed WB a lot. I cloaked and backstabbed or healed every time he did it

Well, I know this may be slightly irrelevant since it's about NPCs but while I've been soloing a resources in Cyrodiil today, I've noticed that when guards bash (stun) me, especially 2 guards doing it together, I'll get double-stunned. Like, what I mean by that is that I'll break out of the first stun instantly and then the next stun after it will stun me again and it seems to be repeating over and over, I doubt it's NPC-related only as it happens whenever I'm fighting 3 or more players who CC.

The only changes I can see relating to NPCs in Cyrodiil, were;

Melee guards will no longer stun themselves when bashing with their shields.
Archer guards will no longer stun themselves when performing power shots.

So I don't know. I definitely think CC immunity is bugged, seriously. If I knew a few cooperative enemies, I'd arrange a meet up somewhere and ask them to spam stuns/knockbacks on me just so I can record it and prove what I meant ....

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Simple fix really. Fix cc immunity and nerf wrecking blow to a cast time of 3 seconds you know like the NPCs wrecking blows. Simple but know zos there gonna take the way to complicated road that causes more harm than fixes like 0 stamina regen.

Good suggestion because the weapon speed increase trait is there for a reason, so one can't argue about it being -too- slow to cast if they have the wrong trait on their weapon.

The weapon speed trait doesn't do anything to speed up ability cast times. All it does is allow you to make light attacks slightly faster.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Simple fix really. Fix cc immunity and nerf wrecking blow to a cast time of 3 seconds you know like the NPCs wrecking blows. Simple but know zos there gonna take the way to complicated road that causes more harm than fixes like 0 stamina regen.

Good suggestion because the weapon speed increase trait is there for a reason, so one can't argue about it being -too- slow to cast if they have the wrong trait on their weapon.

The weapon speed trait doesn't do anything to speed up ability cast times. All it does is allow you to make light attacks slightly faster.

Oh yeah, didn't think about that

Sharee wrote: »

Trashy Boy wrote: »

I agree WB CC- break free immunity is not working correctly

It is not CC-break immunity(the 8 second long one) that is not working correctly, but the auto-immunity you get when a CC on you expires naturally(the 5 second long one).

If you CC break, you get the immunity instantly, and it works everytime. But if you let the CC run it's course, you are supposed to automatically get 5 seconds of CC immunity, and it is this auto-immunity that is not working correctly, in that it is applied a split second too late.

CC on you expires -> slight delay -> CC imunity is gained. If you get hit by CC during that slight delay, you effectively get double-CCed.

And i believe this is not a wrecking blow issue, but rather an issue with any CC (frags, fear) if you let it run the full duration.

Whoa, Sharee.. you're like the ESO detective, always digging to the core of an in-game issue and explaining why this/that is broken etc. Thank you yet again. I didn't know that the break free Immunity is 8 seconds, interesting... the auto CC Immunity though? yeah, it is definitely that. When I'm soloing a resource and killing the Menders around the flag, an Honor Guard's bash-stun can stun me through CC immunity but the problem is, (which has been confirmed to me by other people I talk to) that even break free doesn't work sometimes for us on consoles, not sure about PC.

Like earlier I got feared (mass hysteria) and could not break free until it ended... it's a joke.