@hardcore_gmr : Oh my lord.... There u go again wasting ur time writing a whole composition on why deltias 1.6 build won't work now. That build is outdated like I've already mentioned TWICE now and we all KNOW following an outdated build skill for skill is a bad idea. The POINT of me posting that video with a tag for u was to show u that u DONT need skills like dragon scales or cinder Storm in a stamina build pve to be resilient and not get one shot. Again I've already mentioned this quite a few times.

Clearly you arent reading my posts or u seem to not be getting my point even though you are reading and have watched the video. The point I'm trying to make is going whooosh over your head. Id include a Meeme here but I'm at work now and on my phone so my apologies.

Since you've already acknowledged that your build is a suggestion and not the best out there you should stop quoting other people and calling them bad players since this is how the feud started in the first place. I didn't quote your nonsense build ( my opinion only) first and call you bad. I only responded to yours. If I can spam Wb + searing strike + executioner and pull over 12k dps and solo content just fine, clearly my build works. So this is where I stop wasting time trying to convince u to see my point.

@WyldfireWyrm : quick question, are u making a build for solo content or are you keen on running trials and vet 16 pledged in speed runs etc? Because this will affect the build considerably.

Also to answer your questions, if not dual wield and caltrops then yes the bow skill line volley and arrow spray are excellent alternatives for Aoe. They don't hit nearly as hard as DW but u do maintain range and have better survivabily if that's what ur going for.

I can't comment on magicka builds as I don't have a dk with magicka build. As for the stamina build, I prefer the option u have listed with the bow. The first one. The only issue I see is the lack of a main dps output skill in case ur werewolf transformation falls off. Let me try to explain with a scenario,

2 mil hp boss shows up. U crit Rush in and throw burning breath + searing strike. + scorched earth with rally buff up. Now all ur dots are on the boss and ur dk is primed and ready to wreck face. Suddenly u notice that ur ww ultimate is at 0-10 or it falls off halfway through the fight. Now u have nothing to spam in between reapplying dots and buffs except silver shards which imo is a very ineffective skill for its cost unless ur fighting undead/Daedra. You would need to resort to alternating between magnum shot and crit Rush I think if this happens. Magnum shot knocks u back and puts u in a lot of danger ie: getting pushed into red bad stuff in trials or pledges. I would replace one of the skills on either ur bow bar or 2h for a reliable consistent dps output. I hope this helps!

Also I would like to point out the passive buffs from evil hunter, ww transformation and Flawless dawnbreaker only apply to the bars they are on. So your 2h bar will not benefit from evil hunters passive (active it will if u turn it on and swap but passive no), and ur flawless dawnbreakers passive of 8% Wp damage won't apply to the 2h bar as well.

Vangy wrote: »

@WyldfireWyrm : quick question, are u making a build for solo content or are you keen on running trials and vet 16 pledged in speed runs etc? Because this will affect the build considerably.

Also to answer your questions, if not dual wield and caltrops then yes the bow skill line volley and arrow spray are excellent alternatives for Aoe. They don't hit nearly as hard as DW but u do maintain range and have better survivabily if that's what ur going for.

I can't comment on magicka builds as I don't have a dk with magicka build. As for the stamina build, I prefer the option u have listed with the bow. The first one. The only issue I see is the lack of a main dps output skill in case ur werewolf transformation falls off. Let me try to explain with a scenario,

2 mil hp boss shows up. U crit Rush in and throw burning breath + searing strike. + scorched earth with rally buff up. Now all ur dots are on the boss and ur dk is primed and ready to wreck face. Suddenly u notice that ur ww ultimate is at 0-10 or it falls off halfway through the fight. Now u have nothing to spam in between reapplying dots and buffs except silver shards which imo is a very ineffective skill for its cost unless ur fighting undead/Daedra. You would need to resort to alternating between magnum shot and crit Rush I think if this happens. Magnum shot knocks u back and puts u in a lot of danger ie: getting pushed into red bad stuff in trials or pledges. I would replace one of the skills on either ur bow bar or 2h for a reliable consistent dps output. I hope this helps!

Thanks for the advice.

DW and Flame Staff

Dunmer DK can do a lot of DPS.

FeaR Turbo wrote: »

Here is a Stamina video i made awhile back, Using DW and 2h.
Right now DW BOW is pretty big cause of the infused Master bow plus arrow barrage is really good.
but since there are no weaving DK class skills for stamina.
2h - bow would be less AOE.
DW Bow might be best bet.
DW 2h would be okay but if you used 2h for execute would have to set your sets up for it specifically.

5 Hunding 4 Night mother 3 agility
5 Hunding 4 VO 3 agility
5 Hunding 3 Nightmother 1 Kena
if you went DW 2h and wanted to use 2h for execute phase, maybe do 4 hunding armor 1 weapon on both bars and only have 4 night mother 1h sword and 3 armor.


https://youtu.be/ZBwEoj14_68


Just some thoughts!

FeaR Turbo

pretty awesome guide for 1.6. I like it. How does it fare in the current live servers? With the change to molten armaments and the buff to DW getting the major brutality buff? U could just swap around these skills and still make it viable imo. Also I prefer 2h/DW or 2h/bow depending on the fight I'm going to do. Ie engine guardian requires a bow while most fights you can just melee away. Also I love that eruption spam to get back some stamina lol. I was doing that until I got my stam regen to 2.1k. Now I can just mash attacks and never run out with gdb lol.

@hardcore_gmr : think it's eruption. Does more upfront dps and the Extra snare from cinderstorm is overkill I think.

@hardcore_gmr : yeah the damage difference from eruption is not that significant your right. But I tend to just take whatever I can get when it comes to dmg cos my build style is wreck face before I get rekt lol. And yes this build doesn't seem to work now even with some modifications I've tried. Sadly 2h Wb is still the most efficient skill for a stamina dk.... Hopefully they rework 1 or 2 skills in the DW skill tree so that it becomes competitive. I don't particularly enjoy spamming Wb but honestly in all my testing in pve it's hands down the only skill that does any decent damage. Flurry is nice but it takes way too long, costs too much stamina and doesn't hit very hard. + u lose out on a lot of the light weave. By the time I can cast light weave + flurry finish, I can cast light weave, wb+animation cancel+heavy attack, followed by light weave+executioner or wb. Just the light weaving alone puts the 2h ahead. Zzzz

Vangy wrote: »

@hardcore_gmr : yeah the damage difference from eruption is not that significant your right. But I tend to just take whatever I can get when it comes to dmg cos my build style is wreck face before I get rekt lol. And yes this build doesn't seem to work now even with some modifications I've tried. Sadly 2h Wb is still the most efficient skill for a stamina dk.... Hopefully they rework 1 or 2 skills in the DW skill tree so that it becomes competitive. I don't particularly enjoy spamming Wb but honestly in all my testing in pve it's hands down the only skill that does any decent damage. Flurry is nice but it takes way too long, costs too much stamina and doesn't hit very hard. + u lose out on a lot of the light weave. By the time I can cast light weave + flurry finish, I can cast light weave, wb+animation cancel+heavy attack, followed by light weave+executioner or wb. Just the light weaving alone puts the 2h ahead. Zzzz

@ Vangy I tried dual wield because I love the AOE on steel tornado especially for groups and trials but single target it feels lackluster compared to a solid 2H build for exactly the same reason you mentioned. That's what's so intriguing about @FeaR Turbo build, he is effectively using a setup that I run on my nightblade, using high crit damage to achieve some monster DPS single target. He's got some weave in there, but you are right, not nearly as much as you can get from light attack+wrecking blow+heavy attack. As a main damage spender wrecking blow is amazing and it does make you want to spam it because it gets the job done. But that got boring real fast for me so that's what made me start to incorporate some of my PVP strategy to my build, and that's why I went Bow for my second weapon. My rotation is usually: Crit rush, light attack+wrecking blow, unstable flame, magnum shot....I used this simply for the same reason you use it in PVP, which is that it bounces you back from the target and knocks them away, giving you some distance to crit rush again. With the amount of CP I have into crit damage this combo usually kills most things before I have to run through it again. Honestly I get higher damage output from the magnum shot+crit rush combo then wrecking blow+heavy attack. Its likely because since you are using two skills instead of one there is so much opportunity there to light weave, plus no cast times on either skill that it just works for me. Plus since I still have wrecking blow, I can use it without spamming it. I like DW for my nightblade and templar though because they both have such great single target stamina skills in their class lines that DW can give me the AoE damage and I can always use a 2h on the other bar for rally and single target DPS.

You are right about eruption/cinderstorm, it has a place in PVP for that amazing snare, but in PVE it was holding my DPS back because I had a few too many defensive skills. I went back and added Bombard for AoE damage and snare and my DPS has increased. I get the same effect as Cinderstorm (snare) but with significantly higher damage output for multiple targets and it allows me to keep my single target focus damage high. I still like flappy wings for my build, because it keeps range targets off me and allows me to focus on damage dealing, plus since I removed cinderstorm which was a major magic drain, I have the magic to keep it up like on my magic DK. It and Igneous shield have basically allowed me to focus less on blocking damage and more on dealing it. My setup is now:

2h bar
1.crit rush
2.unstable flame
3. wrecking blow
4. executioner
5. Rally
U. Corrosive armor

Bow
1.Magnum shot
2. Fiery Breath
3. Bombard
4. Reflective Scale
5. Igneous Shield
U. Meteor

@hardcore_gmr : This new set up of urs is solid and I like it. Imo it is much better than the previous PVP intensive one u had. Ur setup is almost same as mine when I feel like using a bow except that i use GDB over reflective scale. tbh crit rush and flames of oblivion can be swapped but i prefer the 10% extra crit haha. The only reason i dont like comboing magnum+crit rush is that this has killed me way too many times by putting me in fire or sometimes ill be in the process of getting knocked back during some phase change in trials/pledges that ends up getting me killed lol. Ur using fiery breath over acid spray which is completely fine. Whats ur stamina regen btw? without GDB up we run out of stamina pretty fast. I have ard 2k at the moment and its very comfortable with GDB. Never need to worry about blocking and doge rolling. Also igneous + gdb+ rally is an INSANE heal. Try it out instead of reflective. With the above healing combo u can just eat the ranged attacks and once ur at 40% u cast the combo and u will be right back to 100% lol

I don't use GB because it is an expensive magic dump and it does not stack with the immovable tripod I am using. In fact it doesn't stack with any tripots. Tripots give you the named major regen buff for health and stamina ( and magic). This is the same buff you get from GDB. So they will cancel each other out. If I were using a weapon pot maybe, or crit pot. But any tripot or dual pot with the major health and stamina regen buff is a waste, so I run reflective scales with the free spot.The only time GDB is a better heal or stamina restore is when you are right before execute range. With my immovable pot up, my stamina regen is a little over 2100, but I am a wood elf and running 7 medium.

My magnum shot+crit rush will hit for a range because the extra damage is based on distance traveled. I also medium weave in a shot with bow before I switch weapons. Sometimes I heavy weave depending if I'm just starting the fight.

Vangy wrote: »

@harcore_gmr ah yes tripots don't stack with gdb. I tend to only bring tripots for really hard content. Too much gold wasted on gearing all my toons in IC T.T down to barely 350k lol. Also I chug tripots like mad in pvp. Can't afford to use it in pve as well. If ur using tripots then yes gdb doesn't make sense. The other Morph might be useful in a group setting tho. Coagulating blood does increase healing received but the major fortitude still won't stack with tripots so I guess it still doesn't make sense to run it. And yes it costs quite a bit of magicka to cast. Now if only zeni max can give me a stamina morph for whip I would so totally run it with this free slot. For now I guess dragon scales or flames of oblivion or evil hunter is gona eat this slot.

@ Vangy the second Stamina whip is a real thing, it goes into this free spot for me as well (take the hint ZoS, you spend all your time listening to people complain about OP skills, players have been asking for this forever now). I use Tripots in PvE and PvP but I don't go crazy in PvE. normally for trials or VDSA, and only because a dead DPS is no DPS.