Blazing Shield

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

Cyrdemaceb17_ESO wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

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The numbers above are also with 100 points into bastion. ....

Reading the previous answers, I guess some ppl did forget about the Lord champion tree skill to boost the shield.

Just to point out, this shield is made with 32 points into Bastion (i don't have more CP to put into it atm).
I did know it, and did add the points into it. 0 or 100 points don't really matter if the base shield is crap anyway.

Getting those numbers of HP (for a decent shield) is already pushing it.
There are very FEW things that can be done to increase it further.

Isbilen · September 2015

Not emperor

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

I'm skeptic about this picture (no offense).
My first thought would be that that is a pre-IC death recap.

With my 50K HP build i already have trouble critting mobs for 6K (inside IC), let alone a player.
There are only a few things i can think off that would cause such a high damage rating:

- That guy had at least a 12K shield inside IC (6K damage, with a 50% bonus for a critical hit).
- You had no defense at all/ he had a decent enough spell penetration.

A 12K shield would mean at least 72K HP without CP.
A 10K shield with 100 points in Elfborn (+25% crit damage) what would require 60K HP.
A 9.6K shield with 100 points in Bastion , what would still require 57K HP needed.
A 8K shield with 100 points in Bastion and 100 points in Elfborn (48K HP needed).

So, only thing i can think of is: either that guy walks around with the same build as i posted above with a nice amount of CP invested in it (which means he has nothing else to offer besides Blazing Shield) or you ran into a guy with over 2K CP, meaning he had all damage option types for spell damage, as well as a huge HP bonus because of the amount of points he had into his Warrior Tree.

Third option would be you posted an outdated photo.

Isbilen · September 2015

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

I'm skeptic about this picture (no offense).
My first thought would be that that is a pre-IC death recap.

With my 50K HP build i already have trouble critting mobs for 6K (inside IC), let alone a player.
There are only a few things i can think off that would cause such a high damage rating:

- That guy had at least a 12K shield inside IC (6K damage, with a 50% bonus for a critical hit).
- You had no defense at all/ he had a decent enough spell penetration.

A 12K shield would mean at least 72K HP without CP.
A 10K shield with 100 points in Elfborn (+25% crit damage) what would require 60K HP.
A 9.6K shield with 100 points in Bastion , what would still require 57K HP needed.
A 8K shield with 100 points in Bastion and 100 points in Elfborn (48K HP needed).

So, only thing i can think of is: either that guy walks around with the same build as i posted above with a nice amount of CP invested in it (which means he has nothing else to offer besides Blazing Shield) or you ran into a guy with over 2K CP, meaning he had all damage option types for spell damage, as well as a huge HP bonus because of the amount of points he had into his Warrior Tree.

Third option would be you posted an outdated photo.

I have video if you're interested. It was yesterday and I'm using 5 heavy armor pieces

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

Isbilen wrote: »

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

I'm skeptic about this picture (no offense).
My first thought would be that that is a pre-IC death recap.

With my 50K HP build i already have trouble critting mobs for 6K (inside IC), let alone a player.
There are only a few things i can think off that would cause such a high damage rating:

- That guy had at least a 12K shield inside IC (6K damage, with a 50% bonus for a critical hit).
- You had no defense at all/ he had a decent enough spell penetration.

A 12K shield would mean at least 72K HP without CP.
A 10K shield with 100 points in Elfborn (+25% crit damage) what would require 60K HP.
A 9.6K shield with 100 points in Bastion , what would still require 57K HP needed.
A 8K shield with 100 points in Bastion and 100 points in Elfborn (48K HP needed).

So, only thing i can think of is: either that guy walks around with the same build as i posted above with a nice amount of CP invested in it (which means he has nothing else to offer besides Blazing Shield) or you ran into a guy with over 2K CP, meaning he had all damage option types for spell damage, as well as a huge HP bonus because of the amount of points he had into his Warrior Tree.

Third option would be you posted an outdated photo.

I have video if you're interested. It was yesterday and I'm using 5 heavy armor pieces

Always interesting.
I'm very curious about his HP, as that could tell me a lot more about his potential build, CP and skill points.

AbraXuSeXile · September 2015

Bigger shield if you run into a lot of enemies.

Isbilen · September 2015

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

I'm skeptic about this picture (no offense).
My first thought would be that that is a pre-IC death recap.

With my 50K HP build i already have trouble critting mobs for 6K (inside IC), let alone a player.
There are only a few things i can think off that would cause such a high damage rating:

- That guy had at least a 12K shield inside IC (6K damage, with a 50% bonus for a critical hit).
- You had no defense at all/ he had a decent enough spell penetration.

A 12K shield would mean at least 72K HP without CP.
A 10K shield with 100 points in Elfborn (+25% crit damage) what would require 60K HP.
A 9.6K shield with 100 points in Bastion , what would still require 57K HP needed.
A 8K shield with 100 points in Bastion and 100 points in Elfborn (48K HP needed).

So, only thing i can think of is: either that guy walks around with the same build as i posted above with a nice amount of CP invested in it (which means he has nothing else to offer besides Blazing Shield) or you ran into a guy with over 2K CP, meaning he had all damage option types for spell damage, as well as a huge HP bonus because of the amount of points he had into his Warrior Tree.

Third option would be you posted an outdated photo.

I have video if you're interested. It was yesterday and I'm using 5 heavy armor pieces

Always interesting.
I'm very curious about his HP, as that could tell me a lot more about his potential build, CP and skill points.

Here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9UY645bURM

And by the way, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I don't mind Blazing Shield even at this level.

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

Wasn't much use... but interesting to see anyway.
Such a shame that you can't see health bar (numbers) on a console.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · September 2015

Save the 2 Skillpoints they are more useful in crafting just like with healing ritual healer ult and radiant sweep

Leandor · September 2015

Soris wrote: »

Seriously don't even bother stacking health for blazing shield. It doesn't worth the effort.
Sorcs get 14k hardened ward with 38k magicka and due to the high magicka, their damage is also going over top.

Just watch Mage's latest build video in alliance war subforum. I deleted my templar after watching it lol.

75 points bastion, 39k magicka, my hardened is 11k.

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

Leandor wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Seriously don't even bother stacking health for blazing shield. It doesn't worth the effort.
Sorcs get 14k hardened ward with 38k magicka and due to the high magicka, their damage is also going over top.

Just watch Mage's latest build video in alliance war subforum. I deleted my templar after watching it lol.

75 points bastion, 39k magicka, my hardened is 11k.

Regardless of your stats, most people have trouble telling the different shields Sorcs use apart.
A few days ago i was with 3 sorcs in a dungeon. One of the walked around with a shield surpassing 30K (without the Barrier Ulti).
I think that we can all agree what shields aren't really the problem. It's the fact that those shields can be gained through the same means as a Sorc gets his damage. It has no drawback (unlike my 8K shield on my Templar).

Master_Kas · September 2015

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

Hahaha I see you've ran into mekos with his 50k+ hp xD This guy is not emperor (incase somebody is wondering) just stacked health, max health gear, and bastion I think.

But was this damage from 1.7 ? :O

@DeanTheCat The reason I stayed away from him when all EP's starting to nuke him.

Wollust · September 2015

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Wasn't much use... but interesting to see anyway.
Such a shame that you can't see health bar (numbers) on a console.

This is on the EU PC server.
And Mekos is quite known for his high hp shield playstyle

I'm not sure but he has something like 45k health nowadays? Could be more though.

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

Wollust wrote: »

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Wasn't much use... but interesting to see anyway.
Such a shame that you can't see health bar (numbers) on a console.

This is on the EU PC server.
And Mekos is quite known for his high hp shield playstyle
I'm not sure but he has something like 45k health nowadays? Could be more though.

I'm also on the EU server. I just assumed it was console because of the (lack) of visible add-on.
Most PC players use quite a lot of add-ons.

Master_Kas wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

Hahaha I see you've ran into mekos with his 50k+ hp xD This guy is not emperor (incase somebody is wondering) just stacked health, max health gear, and bastion I think.

But was this damage from 1.7 ? :O

@DeanTheCat The reason I stayed away from him when all EP's starting to nuke him.

Could be possible, if the hit was a crit and if he had quite a lot of points into Elfborn, to increase its spell crit damage.

Isbilen · September 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

Hahaha I see you've ran into mekos with his 50k+ hp xD This guy is not emperor (incase somebody is wondering) just stacked health, max health gear, and bastion I think.

But was this damage from 1.7 ? :O

Yeah, that's 1.7. Mekos is a real badass.

VoiDGhOs7 · September 2015

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

LOL Mekos is the AD forward tank saw him in 1.7 running 53k health no emp and Ep dpsing him so hard that when the shield exploded they lost more then half of hp.Lot of funny moments but as many as when Blazing Shield was broken back 1.3/1.4 and hit for over 9k and more...

On Ep side saw CPT CAPSLOCK running the blazing shield build but not many times.

Alcast · September 2015

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

He has approx 53k HP. That is totally fine, tho he cant do anything beside spamming Blazing Shield because low resources

Tho if you get hit by that shizzle then RIP.

On my V12 toon i run around with 40k HP and the shield does up to 7k dmg already. Thank you battle spirit buff.

Thaumaturge
Elfborn
HP
Gimmi a few mins or hours lol, I will upload a vid

Docmandu · September 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Make Temlpars and dks shields scale of max magicka = Profit.

A sad sight seing how low these shields has become.

So you want the only viable spec for a Templar to be magicka based?! (they already perform better as magicka as-is imho)

Alcast · September 2015

Its not in the range of Mekos, but it works too, and also only v12 char and purple gear lol.
And you see my shield is 7k big and it can actually crit up to almost 7k. Means those 9k are more than "normal"

Sry for the bad music lol

https://youtu.be/_0d2UwnWHkI

Docmandu · September 2015

Love the double door action... glad I'm not the only one to die from that :-)

Master_Kas · September 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Make Temlpars and dks shields scale of max magicka = Profit.

A sad sight seing how low these shields has become.

So you want the only viable spec for a Templar to be magicka based?! (they already perform better as magicka as-is imho)

Well if you're stamina you dont rely as much on shields as a magicka build does :< Keep rolling baby

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Make Temlpars and dks shields scale of max magicka = Profit.

A sad sight seing how low these shields has become.

So you want the only viable spec for a Templar to be magicka based?! (they already perform better as magicka as-is imho)

Well if you're stamina you dont rely as much on shields as a magicka build does :< Keep rolling baby

Even stamina builds have shields (2h)

Master_Kas · September 2015

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Make Temlpars and dks shields scale of max magicka = Profit.

A sad sight seing how low these shields has become.

So you want the only viable spec for a Templar to be magicka based?! (they already perform better as magicka as-is imho)

Well if you're stamina you dont rely as much on shields as a magicka build does :< Keep rolling baby

Even stamina builds have shields (2h)

And that shield is viable in PVP you think? I rarley see anyone using the 2h shield except beginners, atleast that's mostly the case in EU. Anything is better than now imo. Without tons of CP into bastion or stacking alot of health the dk and templar shields are so tiny. I want them improved, what I wrote was just an example, there are ofcourse better ways to "fix" them probably.

That's my opinion, you don't have to agree

Edit: Ofcourse I don't want the only viable spec for a templar to be magicka based @Docmandu . I'm leveling a templar atm, while the shield is decent thanks to battleleveling i'm fearing what's to come.

Have two V16 DK's (stam and magicka), honestly on my magicka DK the shield feels like a waste of a slot. While on my stamina build it's good since it increases my vigor and rally heal.

Alcast · September 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

Love the double door action... glad I'm not the only one to die from that :-)

haha yep def xD I was like: "Oh shi..." > dead

Mumyo · September 2015

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Make Temlpars and dks shields scale of max magicka = Profit.

A sad sight seing how low these shields has become.

So you want the only viable spec for a Templar to be magicka based?! (they already perform better as magicka as-is imho)

Well if you're stamina you dont rely as much on shields as a magicka build does :< Keep rolling baby

Even stamina builds have shields (2h)

GET OUT!

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

Mumyo wrote: »

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Make Temlpars and dks shields scale of max magicka = Profit.

A sad sight seing how low these shields has become.

So you want the only viable spec for a Templar to be magicka based?! (they already perform better as magicka as-is imho)

Well if you're stamina you dont rely as much on shields as a magicka build does :< Keep rolling baby

Even stamina builds have shields (2h)

GET OUT!

What?
Just wanted to point out that even Stamina builds have a shield which they can use.
Depending on the situation it is a pretty decent one. Although it is true that you won't see much Stamina users with a shield, they do have an option.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Isbilen wrote: »

Not emperor

Holy moly ..

contact.opiumb16_ESO · September 2015

anyone can explain how to build a shield based templar please ?

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

anyone can explain how to build a shield based templar please ?

Stack health = Done.

You can always go for a more balanced build, with a bit of magicka regen... but overall you just want to have a shitlaod of health.

Francescolg · September 2015

Stop the sensationalism guys! It is clear that, when being surrounded by xx enemies, blazing shield does "grow" so much
and that the damage can get soo high, if than xx enemies do all their attacks at once, INSTEAD of just waiting for the shield to expire or for the templar to be cc'd.. Everybody knows this and blazing shield builds are nothing new, even me, or Abraxus used them excessively over a year go, combined with Immovable, etc. etc., for nasty builds. If Blazing Shield makes "boom", the culprit is not the templar but the guys sticking all together and not waiting for CC..
Otherwise, the bombplar will not hurt anybody.
Please stop acting, as if it's a new phenomena, that doesn't help our target!

In reality, such encounters that enable such a boombastic blazing shield are rare or very rare in pvp, as the zerg fights became less after ic. Also the probability to run into dumb enemies, who do not know how it works, isn't high.
Instead, most PvP encounters are smaller fights 1x vs 1x and enemies do not stick together and every f.... nuub has enough CC and even experience to combat Blazing Shield.

What about "normal" (rounded up) templar builds and their right to have a 'functioning' blazing shield for small/medium scale encounters? (that make up 90% of the fights in a "new pvp era")

F_c_ Jesus Beam! F_c_ Puncturing Sweep!
Give templars a magicka based shield morph! Give templars blinding flashes back!