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Help to build a Stamina Sorcerer

nduque92
nduque92
Guys i feel like im dragging my teammates in dungeons with my sorcerer so i am a VR1 emperial sorceree so i would like to know how to make a good stamina sorcerer class
Hope you can help me thanka!
  • Nestor
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    I thought you wanted to help your team mates out in Dungeons? Make them a Magic Sorcerer and you will do just that.

    A Stamina Sorcerer is an Oxymoron in this game. Whether it is an oxymoron in any game is another discussion for another thread.

    An Imperial can make a great caster. I have an Imperial Magic based Dragon Knight who runs Heavy Armor no less and does just fine. Sure you don't get the Nth degree of Magic Damage since your racials are not helping you, but the other way to look at it is, your better off in Health and Stamina than most Casters because of the boost in the Racials. You would make a great Tank even in Light Armor using Hardened Ward and another complimentary shield, so you could even sport Light Armor for those magic benefits.
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  • nduque92
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    Honestly i have tried it but i suck in making combos, how is your character doing in veterans dungeona cause my died really fast and dont do the much the much so with the new update i thought i had a chance in building a good sorcerer
  • Waffennacht
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    Vet dungeons are the hardest to solo. If you are Vet 1 then you not only the hardest dungeon but also with the weakest possible level. Even if you wanna try vet dungeons, don't get discouraged, i would wait to do comparisons until a higher vet level.

    Edit:
    Also don't worry, my guildy is vet 16 and kept getting his butt handed to him in a vet lvl 2 dungeon. Try other content or PvP to get a better feel for it :)
    Edited by Waffennacht on September 23, 2015 10:14PM
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  • nduque92
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    Hahahaha naaah i like to help the team! I feel really suck when i cant do that and tjey are always healing me and reviving me so thats why i need a better build
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    Stam sorc does exist. The jury is still out as to whether they are viable endgame.

    They are if you have a ton of champion points but everything is viable with tons of champ points since the champ system is slowly unbalancing the game.
    Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on September 24, 2015 1:38AM
  • nduque92
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    Mmmm
    Yeah but i need a build for it
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    Edited by Sord on September 24, 2015 5:53AM
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  • Stannum
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    nduque92 wrote: »
    Guys i feel like im dragging my teammates in dungeons with my sorcerer so i am a VR1 emperial sorceree so i would like to know how to make a good stamina sorcerer class
    Hope you can help me thanka!
    Try this.

  • Stannum
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    Nestor wrote: »
    A Stamina Sorcerer is an Oxymoron in this game. Whether it is an oxymoron in any game is another discussion for another thread.
    Not really since Bound armaments gives stamina pool buf, thundering presence scales of stamina/weapon dmg and costs stamina, and exper mage passive gives not only spell dmg but weapon too. Now stam sorc are competive with stam NB with DPS and has better survival.

  • xaraan
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    Stam sorc is plenty viable.

    Personally I like running 2H/DW (swapping for bow if needed). You can make a strong build using just crafted sets as well - Hunding's Rage 5pc and Night's Mother's Gaze for the rest. (Make one of your DW weapons hunding's and the 2H hunding's and the other DW weapon NMG, that way when you weapon swap you'll still have the Hunding's 5pc). Use Shadowwalker jewelry or the new Agility jewelry.

    Remember if you keep things like Evil Hunter on your bar (it gives you a passive crit bonus) and Flawless Dawnbreaker as well (it gives you a weapon damage bonus). Trying to keep a sorc power or two on your bar will give you a weapon power bonus as well with the change they made to sorc passives. I like using both Rally and Crit Surge, but if you have a solid healer, you can probably just stick with Crit surge. When fighting, keep crit surge and lightning form up, use Wrecking Blow for single target damage if you can get in melee range safely and use whirlwind for AoEing down mobs. (If you can open up caltrops from Alliance War line, that will help your DPS a lot as well - just be careful as you will aggro everything with them).

    That's some quick and easy basics, but there is much more fine tuning you can do, especially to fit your playstyle. Out of all my stam builds (1 for each class) stam sorc is my favorite and probably almost as strong as a stam DK. Just remember most stam builds do the same thing - use weapon skills and then use class skills to flesh that out (except stam templars - they can get away with using jabs as a main attack). So you are looking at how your class skills can help your weapon skills do damage - snaring enemies will help your DW attacks do more damage for example and sorcs have a few ways to CC/snare. Lightning form and crit surge both protect and add to damage, etc.
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  • Daymond
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    Not sure if this will help but I play a dark elf stam sorc this kinda the build that I havebeen using.

    1st bar 2h Crit rush, dizzing swing,executioner,streak,bound armaments ult flawless dawnbreaker

    2nd bar 2h Rally,Vigour,crit surge, thundering presence,bound armaments ult suppression field


    5 piece willows path 3 piece song of lame 3 agility accessories

    This is what my stam sorc will be just missing the agility accessories, and so far has been great fun. Only have 2 magic skills rest are stam. It is alot of fun to zoom around the battlefield. Really different from my 2h dk orc
  • nduque92
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    Thanks you guys I will give it a try your ideas cause I feel like I'm sucking right now! I'm going to work right now so I will do IG when I get back
  • Jitterbug
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    isn't dungeons "just" activating the weapon buff and clipping rapid strikes/wrecking blow/steel tornado and not standing in the stupid. Not trying to be rude, but seems a simple task to build for dungeon dps, even as stam sorc.
    I have mained a stam sorc for the better part of a year but I almost only PvP.
  • Nestor
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    Not really since Bound armaments gives stamina pool buf, thundering presence scales of stamina/weapon dmg and costs stamina, and exper mage passive gives not only spell dmg but weapon too. Now stam sorc are competive with stam NB with DPS and has better survival.

    So you basically have 3 skills you can use as a Stamina Sorcerer? That does not sound like a Sorcerer to me. I mean maybe you can make the build work, but it would be so much better to run a Sorcerer Magic based. As they should be.

    The issue I have with a Stamina Sorcerer in this game is, if you go all in on Stamina, then the spells that scale from Magic do reduced damage. Coupled with using up your moving around resources for combat leaves a depleted pool. It has been a while since I looked at all the morphs in the Sorcerer line but I recall that most of the good morphs are magic based, if there is even a choice.

    However since it sounds like your not really using many of the Sorcerer skills, then maybe none of this matters.



    Edited by Nestor on September 24, 2015 1:34PM
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  • Stannum
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    Nestor wrote: »

    Not really since Bound armaments gives stamina pool buf, thundering presence scales of stamina/weapon dmg and costs stamina, and exper mage passive gives not only spell dmg but weapon too. Now stam sorc are competive with stam NB with DPS and has better survival.
    So you basically have 3 skills you can use as a Stamina Sorcerer? That does not sound like a Sorcerer to me. I mean maybe you can make the build work, but it would be so much better to run a Sorcerer Magic based. As they should be.

    The issue I have with a Stamina Sorcerer in this game is, if you go all in on Stamina, then the spells that scale from Magic do reduced damage. Coupled with using up your moving around resources for combat leaves a depleted pool. It has been a while since I looked at all the morphs in the Sorcerer line but I recall that most of the good morphs are magic based, if there is even a choice.

    However since it sounds like your not really using many of the Sorcerer skills, then maybe none of this matters.
    These 3 skills makes sence for sorc stamina builds.
    The point is that stamina sorcs do not use magika skills for dmg, so they do not do reduced damage. They are using weapon stamina skills + thundering presence (that also scales of stamina). They can use some magika skills for buffs or CC but it's not spam skill and do not deplete mana pool. BTW critical surge has more effective healing, and encase or streak has good synergy with DW ruffian passive. So it can appear that steel tornado spam is more effective then elemental ring or liquid lightning.

    Edited by Stannum on September 24, 2015 2:30PM
  • Jar_Ek
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    @Nestor are you seriously suggesting that stamina sorcerer builds should not exist? How about magicka Nightblades or Dragonknights? Should they exist? I mean they are going against stereotype as well. So with that out the way, I agree that stamina sorcerers still lack good active skills - but the passives aren't too bad now.

    As for how to build? Well personally I have to build with more defensive skills than if I were a different dps class because the passives don't provide any defence, some offense, regeneration and cost reduction but no defence. That means I always run some defences (Thundering Presence, Evasion, or Bone shield), normally some healing (Rally, or Surge), and then it depends on what I want to do ... Brawler for multimobs, Wb for single. Maybe Bombard, maybe Tornado. Generally I use 2 sorcerer skills and the rest non class.
    Good luck.
  • nduque92
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    I see everyone used good combos! I have tried to do couple combos in my own and it is good so far but Is not great either! I feel like is missing something, when im in dungeons turn put really hard for me! But i have read all your coments and came with the idea of doing a Socerer tank because I like being the bait so why not a sorcerer tank with my pets and its good spells! I am already using a Imperial so i think it can help me best to build this! I really liked the idea of the Daedric Master! Sound pretty good also helpful to friends in dungeons
    Before i reset my attributs i will give it a try yours combos and try them out and see if it really helps me!

    Also is there anyone who would help me with my gear? I would really appreciate it
    I suck at smithing, honestly i thought that i wasnt going to need it in the game but now i really think i do cause i cant make nothing
  • Nestor
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    Jar_Ek wrote: »
    @Nestor are you seriously suggesting that stamina sorcerer builds should not exist? .

    The whole thing about being able to do more Jumping Jacks meaning you can cast more powerful spells is kind of ironic to me.

    However, I have never said that something like this should not exist in a game, even if I would not play the character type, others would*. I don't care what role or playstyle others do. As long as you have success and or fun, cool. But, in this game, a Stamina Sorcerer is an oxymoron as most Sorcerer class skills are based on or scale from magic. It has been a issue in this game for a long time. That is what I am talking about here. You are much better off being magic based if you are a Sorcerer in this game. Can a Stamina Sorcerer be made to work in this game, sure, but your not really being a Sorcerer, more a Battle Mage where the magic is a support mechanism. However the DK can be more of a Battle Mage or Spellsword archetype than a Sorcerer can be in this game.



    *That being said, I play my Imperial DK more like a Stamina Character, even though he is all in on Magic and wears heavy armor. , playing an ironic or iconclast character is not something I have a philosophical issue against.

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  • Nestor
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    nduque92 wrote: »
    Also is there anyone who would help me with my gear? I would really appreciate it
    I suck at smithing, honestly i thought that i wasnt going to need it in the game but now i really think i do cause i cant make nothing

    Crafted Sets like Ashen Grip and Torugs Pact and Hundings Rage can help with melee based character. There are others. The trick to determining the gear set to go after or have made for you is to strip your character naked and note their base stats. Then find a set that buffs what you feel you need more of. Remember, with with crafted sets you can have 5 pieces in one set and 3/4 pieces in another (you get 4 if DW or using a Shield). Then there is Jewelry you can find or as part of a dropped set you can mix in. After you have selected your armor, then put Glyphs on them to increase the Attribute pools you base your character on.

    If you can't make it yourself, join a crafting guild and be generous with tipping the crafter and or supplying materials and have them make something for you. In the meantime, level your crafting by deconstructing armor and weapons you loot. High level stuff like your looting will ramp the skill up pretty quickly. And, research your traits, learn two on each piece you use, then learn the third etc. Once you know two traits, you can make Ashen Grip, as set people run even at VR Ranks.

    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

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  • Stannum
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    Nestor wrote: »
    But, in this game, a Stamina Sorcerer is an oxymoron as most Sorcerer class skills are based on or scale from magic.
    LOL. Don't you know that most of ANY class skills are based on and scale from magic?

    PS: btw one of the most effective DK DPS build is magika build but not stamina.
    Edited by Stannum on September 25, 2015 2:59PM
  • Nestor
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    PS: btw one of the most effective DK DPS build is magika build but not stamina.

    Fully aware that a number of skills scale from magic. However Templars, DKs and NBs at least have a good selection of Stamina Skills/Morphs to choose from, where as a Sorcerer does not. Of course I am refering to Class Skills here, not weapon skills.

    I tried a Stamina DK back with 1.6 and soon went back to Magic. The whole idea of using up your resource pool for combat by moving around does not work for me. I have yet to put my NB back into Magic, but the Stamina Experiment with him has failed. He has been parked in Craglorn for a couple of months now.

    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • nduque92
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    All this is pretty interesting you guys have a good way to express your opinions but either a character work or not is except to the guy who is building it! Right now, i did make my stamina sorcerer and the mother f hit hard and the critical I do is 49% so most of the time im healing myself! Actually is pretty good so far i just needed some good armor and weapons

    :)@dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO @Nestor
  • Nestor
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    nduque92 wrote: »
    All this is pretty interesting you guys have a good way to express your opinions but either a character work or not is except to the guy who is building it!

    That is really the key right there, the build needs to match or work with the playstyle of the player running it. Builds that can work great for some will not work well for others. How you like to play and approach combat has a lot to do with the success of one build as compared to another one.

    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • Stannum
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    Nestor wrote: »
    I tried a Stamina DK back with 1.6 and soon went back to Magic. The whole idea of using up your resource pool for combat by moving around does not work for me. I have yet to put my NB back into Magic, but the Stamina Experiment with him has failed. He has been parked in Craglorn for a couple of months now.
    That only tells that stamina playstyle isn't yours. As NB has great stamina builds even after patch (and still better for DPS then magika). So if you've failed stamina experiment with NB how can you judge stamina build on sorcs?
  • nduque92
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    It is not like that! It is just that he might no use the build like the other guys use it, thats a problem when you copy a build! They can say it is perfect but it gpnna take you spme time to get at full

    Am i wrong?

    @dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO
  • Stannum
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    I don't know, I've never copied builds. But I experiment a lot with differen classes/builds. It's boring to me to use one character all the time.
  • nduque92
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    I see and it is understandable @dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO
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