Does anyone else think Dark Talons needs a CC immunity?

Infinite12 · September 2015

The number of times i've had to sit there and roll dodge out of 5 dark talons in a row and drain ALL my stamina is insane. This needs a CC immunity in a big way. Or else take away the cc immunity from ambush or mass hysteria.

tplink3r1 · September 2015

No, this would kill DKs.
No escape? Check.
No mobility? Check.
No ranged abilities? Check.
No heal or shields(GDB and obsidian shield are trash now)? Check.
Now you want to limit their AOE CC?

dodgehopper_ESO · September 2015

tplink3r1 wrote: »

No, this would kill DKs.
No escape? Check.
No mobility? Check.
No ranged abilities? Check.
No heal or shields(GDB and obsidian shield are trash now)? Check.
Now you want to limit their AOE CC?

I'm not sure I agree with this assessment, particularly when compared to Templars. The only thing you get right here is that they don't get an escape (neither do Templars) and they have no ranged abilities. They do however have fantastic Pbaoe damage and effects and Taoe damage and effects. They also have dragon scale, which is an awesome counter to any ranged attack apart from aoes. I do however believe if they nerf the root of DK they should also be on the same cc cd's as Encase, a sorcerer ability.

Alucardo · September 2015

Is this really a nerf DK thread? Am I reading this right? Please, someone tell me I'm not going crazy

Infinite12 · September 2015

Yes it is and it's coming from a V16 dragonknight.

Darlgon · September 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Is this really a nerf DK thread? Am I reading this right? Please, someone tell me I'm not going crazy

Well.. yes. However, if it means that DKs get CC immunity from fears, roots and other CCs also, maybe not that bad of an idea....

Go ahead NB.. fear me.. fear me again.. HAH.

Infinite12 · September 2015

lol, fears have cc immunity. The only other cc that doesn't have a cc immunity is Encase, if I'm not mistaken.

Darlgon · September 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

lol, fears have cc immunity

Must not last long or they are broke. Tonight, more than once in Cyro, I broke free of one, to get hit with another, broke free again and was hit with another.

Orchish · September 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yes it is and it's coming from a V16 dragonknight.

You're a DK yet you want to nerf the DK or buff the Nightblade?... Are we playing the same game here?

Infinite12 · September 2015

Yes, because I get hit with talons too

Personofsecrets · September 2015

talons is a good ability that doesn't need to be ruined.

Steel_Brightblade · September 2015

Great idea Nerf pve tanks even further than they just have been..please think whole picture first, this isn't solely a pvp game. And pvp nerfs are already making pve frustrating.

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Before they do ANYTHING to Dark Talons, they need to take a look at the Aspect of Terror skill of Nightblades. I'm just saying. Dark Talons are fine. Fear on the other hand? Not so much.

baddabumb16_ESO · September 2015

give all ccs imu or give all ccs no imu !

Junglejim82 · September 2015

All ccs should grant immunity when you break out . All ccs should be able to be broken out of too . You can't have ccs that can be spammed without granting immunity otherwise people get turned into training dummy's with no defense. It's not even close to balanced anyone that's pvpd knows this . Stun locking is b.s . Dodge rolling out of it isn't viable now with dodge fatigue. Especially when the cc can be instantly re applied . It's not about dragon knights it's unfortunate they think it's fine but talons and any other ccs that don't grant immunity need looked at . ROFL at saying fear needs looked at first and talons is fine . Fear can be broken out of and grants 6 second immunity. If it needs looked at its for a different reason to talons . Stunlocking can't be defended in a balanced pvp game it's like getting juggled to death

hardcore_gmr · September 2015

I gotta agree with the idea here but dislike that it specifically names DK skills. In truth, all cc skills need immunity, no one likes to be stun locked. But in an effort to finally create a fix that doesn't hurt pve, I think cc immunity needs to apply to players, not npc's. There are so many npc's that are immune to CC, like talons, that I doesn't make sense to further reduce the effectiveness of this skill by allowing those enemies that it does work against to have immunity after the first cast

Ender1310 · September 2015

There are a number of abilities that offer snare immunity.....I know we all want the perfect build but should some have drawbacks? After all if it were perfect everyone would use it. If it's a problem run a build that uses elusive

Infinite12 · September 2015

@Ch4mpTW are you serious? When I break free of Aspect of Terror/Mass Hysteria, I can't affected by that again for 6 seconds. That's a CC Immunity. I have no problem with Mass Hysteria. That works exactly how a CC should work. You're confused.

dodgehopper_ESO · September 2015

Junglejim82 wrote: »

All ccs should grant immunity when you break out . All ccs should be able to be broken out of too . You can't have ccs that can be spammed without granting immunity otherwise people get turned into training dummy's with no defense. It's not even close to balanced anyone that's pvpd knows this . Stun locking is b.s . Dodge rolling out of it isn't viable now with dodge fatigue. Especially when the cc can be instantly re applied . It's not about dragon knights it's unfortunate they think it's fine but talons and any other ccs that don't grant immunity need looked at . ROFL at saying fear needs looked at first and talons is fine . Fear can be broken out of and grants 6 second immunity. If it needs looked at its for a different reason to talons . Stunlocking can't be defended in a balanced pvp game it's like getting juggled to death

This guy states exactly why I think all cc should grant immunity including encase/talons. Roll dodge is the counter to talons/encase, but the cost of dodging goes up. The cost of taloning/encasing does not. Additionally, this is even worse on a stamina dps for obvious reasons. The changes in rules are too far in favor of crowd control here.

MrGrimey · September 2015

Fighting a dk drains my stamina like crazy with the dodge roll nerfs... I was very surprised that there is not any immunity or limit to how a dk can root. It needs to have immunity or not trigger the dodge roll cost increase when you roll out of a dk root or any root that does not trigger cc immunity

BEZDNA · September 2015

Talons is the only reason i stil play magica dk in pvp. If then nerf talons i gess it's time to go for WB spaming

iseko · September 2015

I cast shuffle. Removes the talons. DK recasts and... nothing. I imagine those DK eyes going

Joy_Division · September 2015

I'm sure there are people out there that have not tried to play a competitive magicka DK in 2.1 who would agree with you. Maybe even a lot of people.

The question you should be asking is if doing so, on its own, would be healthy for competitive balance.

GreenSoup2HoT · September 2015

Now that dodge roll is nerfed, it would be fine for talons to have cc immunity. You have to cast shuffle to become immune to it.

MudcrabsRus · September 2015

Infinite12 wrote: »

Yes it is and it's coming from a V16 dragonknight.

Liessss .....
You are a NB we can't be fooled !

Teargrants · September 2015

@Jules I summon thee.