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DK shields are a joke

  • Alucardo
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    Vanzen wrote: »
    Burning embers/Stone fist/Deep breath/Coagulating blood.
    In conjuction with Igneous shield + a nice chunk of cp in Healing.
    Have you any idea how much heal you can get from this all ?
    In IC sewer I can take like ten mobs at the same time on my own with my health barely moving while perma blocking in light armor.
    Now come tell me DK are in bad shape ...
    A lot of magicka just to keep a DK alive there.. maybe they should rephrase to Stamina DKs are in bad shape.
  • Flattedfifth
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    The only 2 shields a DK have got really are
    - Ingeus shield
    - Hardened armour
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    Now in pvp with both of them stacked the buff is laughable, I can post pictures to prove how bad they are, if anyone is that delusional to say they can compete with the other classes.

    When will DKs get fixed again zos ?

    Jesus, you also get major mending and minor brutality out of obsidian.
  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    Well my DK must so broke cause with Green Dragon's Blood my health regen hits 2.5k plus the heal
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  • AhPook_Is_Here
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    The cool thing about DK shields is you can share the joke. Go minimum health, drink mana regen booze and run around every large group in your alliance spaming it on them. Your shield breaker friends in the other factions will love you!
    Edited by AhPook_Is_Here on September 25, 2015 8:28PM
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  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    My Argonian had 2.5k health regen with 45k~ health my shields are pretty damn good
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    For the King of Argonia
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  • MudcrabsRus
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    I will post a pic when I'm in pvp to show you how big a DKs shield can stack, should be very soon....
  • tplink3r1
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    My Argonian had 2.5k health regen with 45k~ health my shields are pretty damn good
    And you can kill an afk player, good luck with that build.
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  • acw37162
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    Ask Templars with Blazing shield how awesomo it is

    Must be terrible to have the best purge and self heals in game, an ultimate to make them immortal for a few seconds and even a shield thrown in there. My heart goes out to Templars everywhere.
    How dare DKs complain about their weak shield and useless dragon blood.


    The best resource management In the game.
    The second best self heals outside of Templar.
    Survive ability for days
    Insta cast damage abilities
    One of he best group CC's in became with a synegy
    The only reflect skill in he game

    My heart goes out to all the Dagon knights out there
  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    tplink3r1 wrote: »
    My Argonian had 2.5k health regen with 45k~ health my shields are pretty damn good
    And you can kill an afk player, good luck with that build.

    I kill pretty well he's able to out heal most all damage. With hard hitting heavy attacks I can out last nearly anyone without drinking a pot I chip down and out last
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    Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
    Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
    Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
    Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
    Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
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    Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
    Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master

    For the King of Argonia
    May Sithis hold back his Void
  • xaraan
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    Igneous is awesome. Aside from a shield that scales off your health (good for a tank build) let's also give you a boost to your healing and stamina back and a buff plus an extra shield for your friends near you. Yes, all shields took a hit with the last patch, but if you build for the shield, it's still quite solid. There are still several tanky DKs running around cyro. And it's better than the shield of any other stamina class as well (hardened ward scales off magicka, NBs have no shield and Templar's blazing shield is much much shorter and doesn't offer the other buffs Igneous does).
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  • Funkopotamus
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    My Dk does fine in IC.

    Shields in general have been hit.

    Not just dk's

    Nah buddy have you seen a sorc shield stack in IC yet? Oh yeah it's still a thing, instead now they just bolt escape after laying daedric mines then shield stack to try and win.

    Wait wut?.... Sorc players are actually using timing and player skill to win now instead of just shield stacking and Tank-N-Spank like they were last month?

    And you are complaining about it?

    If you are stupid enough to go charging after a retreating Sorc then you deserve to eat mines and then TeaBagged!
    Edited by Funkopotamus on September 26, 2015 1:43AM
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington
  • Malmai
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    A DK can stack obsidian shield, healing ward, harness magica.

    Sorcs can stack hardened ward, healing ward and harness magica.

    You have bone shield from undaunted that's open to both.

    Sorcs don't have any more class ones that Dk.

    Spiked armour and thundering presence are sort of equal, but they're not strictly shields.

    Hardened ward is better maybe.

    But Dk self heal is probably better than sorcs conversion, plus Dk has reflective scale which is ridiculously good on pvp.

    DK self heal is non existent now u can only heal with vigor+rally or shield but dont say GDB is self heal cuz its not anymore and yes conversion is better than GDB now... Sorc has way better defense now, DK used to have. DK is a melee class so it should have some sort of defense but you know people started farting on forums and stuff and then they quit the game anyways just to spam and troll but ZoS had to do it, you know bring the Nerf Hammer like they always do its the best solution if you don't know what to do... DK is now only decent for wrecking blow spam (like every class) or permablock baiter but since last patch completely removed stamina regen ->facepalm you have to farm engine guardian or run around with armor master and spamming immovable xD so u dont have to block xD.


  • Lylith
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    You people fail to realize that along with heals and shields damage done was also cut in half. Everything is pretty much the same as it was before the IC patch but it's now toned down to prolong battles. Overall, there was no crippling nerf to DKs. If you're still getting outdamaged then obviously someone broke the game itself.

    mob damage wasn't cut in half.

    it wasn't cut at all.


  • Firerock2
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    Shield stacking should be removed from the game and ZOS should buff the DK and Temp shield so that they scale back to 30% while in Cyro. This would fix a lot.
  • leepalmer95
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    acw37162 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    Ask Templars with Blazing shield how awesomo it is

    Must be terrible to have the best purge and self heals in game, an ultimate to make them immortal for a few seconds and even a shield thrown in there. My heart goes out to Templars everywhere.
    How dare DKs complain about their weak shield and useless dragon blood.


    The best resource management In the game.
    The second best self heals outside of Templar.
    Survive ability for days
    Insta cast damage abilities
    One of he best group CC's in became with a synegy
    The only reflect skill in he game

    My heart goes out to all the Dagon knights out there

    Please stop saying dragon blood is a viable heal>

    Dk's have no gap closer/no mobility
    Dk's have no decent self heal anymore
    Dk's have no good shield abilities
    Dk's have no class execution (unlike every other class)
    Dk's have no big dmg skill (like every other class)

    Brrrofski wrote: »
    My Dk does fine in IC.

    Shields in general have been hit.

    Not just dk's

    Nah buddy have you seen a sorc shield stack in IC yet? Oh yeah it's still a thing, instead now they just bolt escape after laying daedric mines then shield stack to try and win.

    Wait wut?.... Sorc players are actually using timing and player skill to win now instead of just shield stacking and Tank-N-Spank like they were last month?

    And you are complaining about it?

    If you are stupid enough to go charging after a retreating Sorc then you deserve to eat mines and then TeaBagged!

    Of course you just gap close a sorc, why would you pressure them to the point they run and just leave them?
    xaraan wrote: »
    Igneous is awesome. Aside from a shield that scales off your health (good for a tank build) let's also give you a boost to your healing and stamina back and a buff plus an extra shield for your friends near you. Yes, all shields took a hit with the last patch, but if you build for the shield, it's still quite solid. There are still several tanky DKs running around cyro. And it's better than the shield of any other stamina class as well (hardened ward scales off magicka, NBs have no shield and Templar's blazing shield is much much shorter and doesn't offer the other buffs Igneous does).

    Igneous shield should be called igneous pre heal, no one uses it for the shield, the shield part of actually a bad thing for me and the faction members around me, it's pretty easy to simply see a dk cast igneous and light weave attack them 2-3 times and pretty much stop any healing they attempted to do while wasting their resources + regen ult
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  • dudenamedchris
    I'm a lvl 14 dragon knight and I killed a lvl 46 Templar by myself just the two of us fighting each other. I can safely say that in pvp, dragon Knights will almost always come out on top...except for sorcerers which are OP
  • Firerock2
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    I'm a lvl 14 dragon knight and I killed a lvl 46 Templar by myself just the two of us fighting each other. I can safely say that in pvp, dragon Knights will almost always come out on top...except for sorcerers which are OP

    Your one time anecdotal account of how you killed a Templar while you were battle leveled has completely convinced me that DK > everything else. I do find it strange though that the majority of the population rolls around as one of the more underpowered classes (NB). Maybe they are just being kind so its easier for the DK's to kill them. Less of a struggle that way
    Edited by Firerock2 on September 26, 2015 10:25PM
  • MudcrabsRus
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    I'm a lvl 14 dragon knight and I killed a lvl 46 Templar by myself just the two of us fighting each other. I can safely say that in pvp, dragon Knights will almost always come out on top...except for sorcerers which are OP

    Lmaoooo
  • MudcrabsRus
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    Firerock2 wrote: »
    I'm a lvl 14 dragon knight and I killed a lvl 46 Templar by myself just the two of us fighting each other. I can safely say that in pvp, dragon Knights will almost always come out on top...except for sorcerers which are OP

    Your one time anecdotal account of how you killed a Templar while you were battle leveled has completely convinced me that DK > everything else. I do find it strange though that the majority of the population rolls around as one of the more underpowered classes (NB). Maybe they are just being kind so its easier for the DK's to kill them. Less of a struggle that way

    What are you talking about lol
  • MudcrabsRus
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    are you honestly saying NBs are underpowered ? Reality check for you.
  • Fizzlewizzle
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    Robbmrp wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    Ask Templars with Blazing shield how awesomo it is

    LMAO, this shield is all about damage. The 4k shield buff I get from it is complete crap....
    I've managed to get a 8.5K blazing shield in PvP. 17K if i add Boneshield.
    It only cost me all my damage, healing, sustain and about 20K cash to reset my skills to return to a useful build.
    (60K if you count the jewels i bought to bump up my HP a bit more)
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    Ain't no other way to get a decent shield on Templars.
    I even need to use my healing ulti twice to get back to full health.
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    Not saying DK's have no right to complain, but at least you still have magma Armor.
    My guess would be (as i don't play a DK) that that skill is one of the few skills (and the only ultimate) that isn't affected by that buff in PvP. Its not a shield, nor is it damage (not the main function at least) nor is it a heal. Meaning it dodges all 3 pvp nerfs. (but, as i said, its my guess, as i don't play a DK, or anything else besides a Templar.)

    Both DK's and Templars are screwed because Sorcs have an OP mechanic. Sorc is OP > They nerf all classes by means of a special buff > Sorc is affected, but because everyone else is also affected it is as if nothing has happend to begin with (Besides that every class now has "double" its old HP bar.)
    Mending-The-Wounded, Aldmeri Dominion, Templar.
  • Firerock2
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    Firerock2 wrote: »
    I'm a lvl 14 dragon knight and I killed a lvl 46 Templar by myself just the two of us fighting each other. I can safely say that in pvp, dragon Knights will almost always come out on top...except for sorcerers which are OP

    Your one time anecdotal account of how you killed a Templar while you were battle leveled has completely convinced me that DK > everything else. I do find it strange though that the majority of the population rolls around as one of the more underpowered classes (NB). Maybe they are just being kind so its easier for the DK's to kill them. Less of a struggle that way

    What are you talking about lol

    I'm just expressing my frustration with the current game design, lack of balance, and gutting of classes in a forum post directed at an individual who made a poor claim that DK's are in a good state.

    EDIT: fyi I was being sarcastic


    LONG LIVE 1.5
    Edited by Firerock2 on September 26, 2015 10:46PM
  • Frawr
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    they've just done a '1-size-fits-all' flat nerf to a few things. Once they go back and balance individual skills then it'll be fine.

    I am sure that they will do this.

    They just need to implement some soft caps such as 2k regen, 2k weapon damage etc. this will encourage players to spread their builds more.
  • Firerock2
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    Robbmrp wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    Ask Templars with Blazing shield how awesomo it is

    LMAO, this shield is all about damage. The 4k shield buff I get from it is complete crap....
    I've managed to get a 8.5K blazing shield in PvP. 17K if i add Boneshield.
    It only cost me all my damage, healing, sustain and about 20K cash to reset my skills to return to a useful build.
    (60K if you count the jewels i bought to bump up my HP a bit more)
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    Ain't no other way to get a decent shield on Templars.
    I even need to use my healing ulti twice to get back to full health.
    8wmlh5.png
    vqtua0.png

    Not saying DK's have no right to complain, but at least you still have magma Armor.
    My guess would be (as i don't play a DK) that that skill is one of the few skills (and the only ultimate) that isn't affected by that buff in PvP. Its not a shield, nor is it damage (not the main function at least) nor is it a heal. Meaning it dodges all 3 pvp nerfs. (but, as i said, its my guess, as i don't play a DK, or anything else besides a Templar.)

    Both DK's and Templars are screwed because Sorcs have an OP mechanic. Sorc is OP > They nerf all classes by means of a special buff > Sorc is affected, but because everyone else is also affected it is as if nothing has happend to begin with (Besides that every class now has "double" its old HP bar.)

    All shields that scale off of health are laughable right now in pvp. The only practical way to use them is to shield stack and that's hilariously bad because it nullifies the entire point of some of those shields which is to be offensive shields and return damage. Shield stacking only provides a larger defensive shield. They need to buff health shields and they need to remove shield stacking. Sorcs wouldn't have OP shields then and the Tank classes would be in a better place.
    Edited by Firerock2 on September 27, 2015 1:07AM
  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    No joke was grinding my level 14 Dragon Knight in Cyrodiil and fought an VR 6 Dragon Knight that fight was 25 minutes (a whole episode of The Bang Theory) it took another player from EP to help me kill him I stayed above 80% the whole fight and he stayed just above execute range.
    Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
    Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
    Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
    Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
    Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
    Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
    Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
    Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
    Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
    Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
    Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
    Chaos of Black Marsh: Master of The Burning Sword
    Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
    Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master

    For the King of Argonia
    May Sithis hold back his Void
  • MudcrabsRus
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    Let's be serious here guys ... Was their really any need for the IC nerf ?
  • Firerock2
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    Let's be serious here guys ... Was their really any need for the IC nerf ?

    1.6 TTK was utter rubbish. The IC nerf is better than 1.6 in my opinion but I really think ZOS should have just rolled back to 1.5. I'm not a fan of insta kill Nightblades or any type of build which gives me 0.3 seconds to react or die.
    Edited by Firerock2 on September 26, 2015 11:01PM
  • Fizzlewizzle
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    Let's be serious here guys ... Was their really any need for the IC nerf ?
    Yes. The TTK was to short to counter most PvP attacks.
    Was this the Solution: Sort of...
    Was it executed decently: Nope. Problems stayed, but people ended up with a "higher" HP pool.
    Mending-The-Wounded, Aldmeri Dominion, Templar.
  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    Making armor matter more would have been better then this 50% less damage a nerf that's 100% countered. 30% in from Might under the Mage and Rally and right back to 1.6 numbers we will be right back here in the next update was hard hitting fast kill builds have came back fast.
    Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
    Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
    Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
    Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
    Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
    Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
    Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
    Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
    Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
    Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
    Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
    Chaos of Black Marsh: Master of The Burning Sword
    Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
    Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master

    For the King of Argonia
    May Sithis hold back his Void
  • Emma_Overload
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    Malmai wrote: »
    Brrrofski wrote: »
    My Dk does fine in IC.

    Shields in general have been hit.

    Not just dk's

    Nah buddy have you seen a sorc shield stack in IC yet? Oh yeah it's still a thing, instead now they just bolt escape after laying daedric mines then shield stack to try and win.

    Magicka Sorc is history now...

    Don't know about that being the case as I still see them around IC spamming mines, shield stacking, and bolt escaping 3 to 4 times to get away.

    That's because people keep trying to KILL us. Sorc sucks now more than you will ever know unless you play one at max level. Don't you understand? The Hardened Ward IS our Health pool... and it just got cut in HALF. Yeah, healing got cut in half for everyone else, but at least the total size of their health pool didn't get cut.

    If you think you have problems now, just try playing PVP with only 10K max Health, then you will know what it's like to play a Sorc in the IC.
    #CAREBEARMASTERRACE
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