Hey ZOS... Favoritism much?

Alphashado · September 2015

So I understand that there are roughly 17 "domestic" containers inside the EP IC Sewers Home Base.

AD has roughly 18

By "domestic" containers, I mean the type of lootable containers that drop recipes, motifs, etc.

All of my main characters are DC and I can assure you that this is a massive unbalance since DC has 3 such containers. So by default, EP and AD have more than 5X the chance at a V15 recipe in the safety of their own base.

Am I missing something here?

Considering that V15 recipes are in very high demand for personal upgrades plus selling for premium amounts right now, this should probably be addressed.

Perhaps it's just an oversight....

Zahne · September 2015

I checked it out on the PTS, made videos of all 3 bases and AD and EP do have a hell of a lot more containers than DC

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YDoDzTn5qcA

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q3qfiejQnt0

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fx5ak6KTG-c

Alucardo · September 2015

Yeah, I'm kind of used to having less anything than AD and EP

BuggeX · September 2015

If you leave the Base you are still in a safe Zone where also Containers are, did you checked this to?

Kammakazi · September 2015

Can confirm for DC.

When you enter the base, there's a backpack to the right. Run through the corridor and there's a nightstand to the left and wardrobe to the right.

And that's all folks.

Xendyn · September 2015

Hopefully they'll fix that soon for you.
Don't think it's favoritism tho, for the longest time, EP was able to buy oils for less than DC or AD.
I'd go with oversight...or sloppy.
Take your pick.

Shunravi · September 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

Hopefully they'll fix that soon for you.
Don't think it's favoritism tho, for the longest time, EP was able to buy oils for less than DC or AD.
I'd go with oversight...or sloppy.
Take your pick.

they test stuff.... not what they need to test, but stuff...

justinbarrett · September 2015

"Sloppysight", I'll take that...but tbh it does not surpise me the game lacks in a lot of standardization issues....but if it were 100% standardized it would be no fun at all.

Master_Kas · September 2015

DC got tons of dark ether/bone shard trophies tough, which drops like no other trophies

MornaBaine · September 2015

Sorry guys, I play exclusively in DC so clearly this is meant to punish me since clearly ZOS hates me. LOL Sorry you all have to be punished with me.

C'mon ZOS, seriously?

justinbarrett · September 2015

I have recently switched to exclusively DC and I have to say from playing all 3 DC is by far one of the forgotten children...it's like Orphaned by ZOS....at first I switched because I wanted the British landscapes look from Glenumbra...and now I am so deep into DC with my characters I almost feel trapped....don't get me wrong I prefer being the underdog...but this can be a bit extreme at times.

Casdha · September 2015

I pointed this out a while back also. I've even got a dwemer page out of one of the 3 dwemer pots in the EP base.
I've gotten 6 purple VR15 recipies here as well.

Edit: I forgot to mention the 100 or so Lorkhan's tears.

Zahne · September 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

If you leave the Base you are still in a safe Zone where also Containers are, did you checked this to?

There are no containers in our safe zone (last time I looked)

Septimus_Magna · September 2015

The Bone Shard and Dark Ether farm spot is close to the DC base so what are you complaining about?

Alphashado · September 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The Bone Shard and Dark Ether farm spot is close to the DC base so what are you complaining about?

That is a separate issue. Feel free to create a thread about it. The issue here is the majorly unbalanced access to safe containers.

BuggeX · September 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The Bone Shard and Dark Ether farm spot is close to the DC base so what are you complaining about?

well we have a better Shard spot on our site if you ask me, there are not dropping ether, but legions.

Zahne wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

If you leave the Base you are still in a safe Zone where also Containers are, did you checked this to?

There are no containers in our safe zone (last time I looked)

and if you check the safe zones in all Areas like arena etc?

Zahne · September 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The Bone Shard and Dark Ether farm spot is close to the DC base so what are you complaining about?

well we have a better Shard spot on our site if you ask me, there are not dropping ether, but legions.

Zahne wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

If you leave the Base you are still in a safe Zone where also Containers are, did you checked this to?

There are no containers in our safe zone (last time I looked)

and if you check the safe zones in all Areas like arena etc?

Ah, I see what you mean now, there are 2 backpacks in the safe zones in areas like arena

Tankqull · September 2015

well DC has alot more containers within their sewer part - sure its not as safe as the starting area but it´s easily overcompensating the total amount of containers.

Alphashado · September 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

well DC has alot more containers within their sewer part - sure its not as safe as the starting area but it´s easily overcompensating the total amount of containers.

Even if that is true, it's not even remotely comparable. There is a huge difference between a handful of extra backbacks you might come across in your travels throughout the sewers, and having 18 containers in your safe home base compared to 3.

18
18
3

There is no defense for this. There is no rational explanation that anyone from AD or EP can possibly toss out there. It's ridiculously unbalanced.

Leandor · September 2015

Just for ships & giggles: EP actually has 19 containers inside the base and one backpack on the raised ledge directly outside, which is still safe:

4 Backpacks in the dead end tunnel opposite the bank lady.
3 Backpacks in the room with the exit to Cyrodiil proper (one is quite well hidden behind some barrels).
1 Backpack, 2 Urns, 1 Dwemer Pot and 1 Dwemer Jug around the vendor in the craft room (yes, I have received Dwemer Scraps from those).
1 Nightstand, 3 Backpacks, 1 Dresser, 1 Cabinet and 1 Wardrobe in the Tel Var vendor room.
said 1 Backpack on the raised ledge directly outside the base.

There's also quite a large number of possible Lorkhan's Tears sources. Haven't counted, but it's for sure around 30 possible spawns.

On the other hand, I get less than 10 Dark Ether per hour in the best spot for EP, and that spot is next to Barathrum Centrata and quite populated with enemy players...

There is a bit of justice there.

Alphashado · September 2015

Leandor wrote: »

Just for ships & giggles: EP actually has 19 containers inside the base and one backpack on the raised ledge directly outside, which is still safe:
4 Backpacks in the dead end tunnel opposite the bank lady.

3 Backpacks in the room with the exit to Cyrodiil proper (one is quite well hidden behind some barrels).

1 Backpack, 2 Urns, 1 Dwemer Pot and 1 Dwemer Jug around the vendor in the craft room (yes, I have received Dwemer Scraps from those).

1 Nightstand, 3 Backpacks, 1 Dresser, 1 Cabinet and 1 Wardrobe in the Tel Var vendor room.

said 1 Backpack on the raised ledge directly outside the base.

There's also quite a large number of possible Lorkhan's Tears sources. Haven't counted, but it's for sure around 30 possible spawns.

On the other hand, I get less than 10 Dark Ether per hour in the best spot for EP, and that spot is next to Barathrum Centrata and quite populated with enemy players...

There is a bit of justice there.

I can understand your point. But even if Bone Shards and Dark Ethers happen to drop more often on the DC side of center, that still involves risk. It involves risk from all 3 factions. You can and will be risking your Tel Var stones at any time while farming all types of trophy shards, regardless of their location and regardless of faction. Heck, I don't know about AD and AP, but the DC home base is regularly assaulted by both of the other two factions right at the base.

Containers inside the base have no risk at all. None. And it's not just a slight unbalance here, we are talking 18 containers vs 3.

LordSemaj · September 2015

Buff DC racials? Clearly people love the AD for their magicka and stealth while the EP is just all around superior to everyone else.

But Bretons are good at exploding, Orcs are good at running away, and Redguard are tanks... which no one plays...

Makkir · September 2015

So easy fix is to make them not safe, stealing in all cases

angelyn · September 2015

I was so happy to find those 3 containers (Although there are barrels/other provisioning things to loot). If I had 18 backpacks/dressers/wardrobes/dwemer containers to search that would be great

I've not found a purple recipe yet, despite looting containers every chance I get(including districts). I have got some v15 recipes though, which I was over the moon about!

EDIT : There are two trays in the DC base with drinks bottles in them. Mostly they will drop a basic potion, but sometimes they do drop Lorkhan's tears..I would say I've not gotten more than 5 ( at best) from these trays at any one time.

Sallington · September 2015

LordSemaj wrote: »

Buff DC racials? Clearly people love the AD for their magicka and stealth while the EP is just all around superior to everyone else.

But Bretons are good at exploding, Orcs are good at running away, and Redguard are tanks... which no one plays...

What's that about Bretons not being one of the best caster races?

Ezareth · September 2015

Does the AD and EP side have ~15 Lorkans Tears drops in their home base?

The recipes don't really sell for anything right now anyways. If you're farming recipes with 2+ minute load screens for gold then I have to tell you you're doing it wrong.

Alphashado · September 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Does the AD and EP side have ~15 Lorkans Tears drops in their home base?

30 - see below.

Leandor wrote: »

Just for ships & giggles: EP actually has 19 containers inside the base and one backpack on the raised ledge directly outside, which is still safe:
4 Backpacks in the dead end tunnel opposite the bank lady.

3 Backpacks in the room with the exit to Cyrodiil proper (one is quite well hidden behind some barrels).

1 Backpack, 2 Urns, 1 Dwemer Pot and 1 Dwemer Jug around the vendor in the craft room (yes, I have received Dwemer Scraps from those).

1 Nightstand, 3 Backpacks, 1 Dresser, 1 Cabinet and 1 Wardrobe in the Tel Var vendor room.

said 1 Backpack on the raised ledge directly outside the base.

There's also quite a large number of possible Lorkhan's Tears sources. Haven't counted, but it's for sure around 30 possible spawns.

Elijah_Crow · September 2015

DC is clearly the unwanted stepchild.

Leandor · September 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Does the AD and EP side have ~15 Lorkans Tears drops in their home base?

The recipes don't really sell for anything right now anyways. If you're farming recipes with 2+ minute load screens for gold then I have to tell you you're doing it wrong.

Just went and counted (EP):

1 entrance room
6 craft room + 5 alchemy room
16 Tel Var vendor room
2 dead end opposite bank lady
6 on the raised ledge outside the base.

That's at least 36, only counting kegs, alchemy bottles and drinks. Also, there may be more, this was just one round and not all may have spawned.

Violynne · September 2015

But.. but... who's in EP to even collect the loot?

*cymbal crash

Elder_III · September 2015

It's pretty bad..... Lorkhan's Tears are still 200 each and very highly desired. I could get a stack of them just going to EP base in the course of a few days, whereas I'm lucky to get 10 in that same amount of time in DC, counting the spots in non safe areas too for DC compared to 100% safe spots for AD and EP.

I'm .01% away from dropping this game. Nothing but trashy decisions with the IC DLC, and that's not even taking into account the anti-DC bias that's clearly shown in this thread.