So being a Templar healer on console sucks.

Justice31st · September 2015

1. Need 8 traits researched for the Kagreanc's Hope set.
2. Almost impossible to find a Vet. 16 group using the group finder que. No text chat, to let everyone know in area chat that I am a healer.
3. Cannot solo IC mobs for crap as a healer build due to Radiant Destruction nerf.
4. Healers always targeted first and usually die first in IC due not being able to burst heal through dps because of the Breath of Life healing nerf.
5. Cannot switch to a DPS or tank role in end game, due to everyone believing Templars are only good as healers.
6. No DPS meters on consoles or gear checks, so healers almost always get the blame or get yelled at for the group dying.
7. No good healer Imperial City Telvar Stone sets.
8. Being out healed by PC transfers due to champion points, 8 traits researched for the Kagreanc's Hope set, and a one year head start.

I honestly cannot find one positive reason to be a Templar Healer atm? Atleast on World of Warcraft being a priest healer I was able to get LFG que's really easily which helped motivate me to stay a healer. I have spent hours in the LFG tool and have been unsuccessful at starting one group.

ZioGio · September 2015

I don't play on console, but if the LFG tool is anything like the one for PC, being a Templar healer has nothing to do with how long it takes to get a PUG going.

Spottswoode · September 2015

1. Can't help you there, but there are other sets that healers frequently use.
2. Group finder sucks. We've complained about it for the better part of a year now.
3. If you're optimized for healing, you're not going to have elite DPS to SOLO GROUP CONTENT.
4. If you're trying to burst heal through everything, you're doing it wrong. But your groups are almost always doing it wrong as well. You can't be expected to simply heal through every attack. They're going to have to learn positioning and you're going to have to have HoT's running pretty constantly.
5. That doesn't really prevent you from being able to switch, and you are already magicka stacked if you are a healer. You really just need to get DPS gear and reoptimize your CP distribution.
6. Can't help you there. Everyone always blames the healer.
7. Redistribution (one of the IC crafted set) is now my go to set for healing. Combat physician is even better, but it's a drop farm.

Justice31st · September 2015

Spottswoode wrote: »

1. Can't help you there, but there are other sets that healer's frequently use.
2. Group finder sucks. We've complained about it for the better part of a year now.
3. If you're optimized for healing, you're not going to have elite DPS to SOLO GROUP CONTENT.
4. If you're trying to burst heal through everything, you're doing it wrong. But your groups are almost always doing it wrong as well. You can't be expected to simply heal through every attack. They're going to have to learn positioning and you're going to have to have HoT's running pretty constantly.
5. That doesn't really prevent you from being able to switch, and you are already magicka stacked if you are a healer. You really just need to get DPS gear and reoptimize your CP distribution.
6. Can't help you there. Everyone always blames the healer.
7. Redistribution (one of the IC crafted set) is now my go to set for healing. Combat mage is even better, but it's a drop farm.

Thank you for the positive feedback. I will look into the Redistribution set.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Maaaan it's not that bad at all. I'm doing fine here, though I had to change my build and play style to fit Imperial City and yet I still heal groups and the odd dungeon.

s7732425ub17_ESO · September 2015

You are a templar healer, meaning you are stacking magicka and spell power. Equip one skill, puncturing sweep, and you will have no issues soloing IC mobs.

Also, Templar Magicka DPS is very good. You should easily be able to maintain 10k ranged DPS just spamming Reflective Light, rotating in Purifying Light, and executing with Radiant Oppression. Templar magicka DPS actually beats Sorc DPS if you take away Sorc's Overload ultimate.

Templar healing is actuallly really strong in PVP now due to the damage reduction increase. If you have a healer that can just spam Breath of Life in PVP, it's very, very hard to kill. There are many players on PC that can go from 20% HP all the way back up to 80% in a second (crit heal), and not many players have the burst DPS to take this down.

Templar healers are still the go-to healing class. You still have the best heals and utility over everyone else.

NovaShadow · September 2015

To help when you're soloing place a rune on the ground and use puncturing sweep. Stay in your rune's circle. (last skill from your healing tree) will help with your mana/etc if you read the tooltip.

As for healing in PVP it's totally possible, work on your set combo, distribute your CP into Blessed (the heal one in the blue section) and Quick Recovery (the heal one in the red section) if your intention is solely to heal. They'll do wonders for you in IC. Temps in IC are still kick ass, test yourself against NPC's until you feel confident enough to find some players and see what needs tweaking. Expect to die until you've got it down.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · September 2015

You don't need to heal with both bars. Never understood this.

Sithisvoid · September 2015

I'm gonna roll one

Rottley · September 2015

This is funny because in PC at least in IC u can see templars everywhere.. They are the only ones who can easy solo IC mobs. Is more funny think heal got nerf when the damage got nerf too, but is hilarious that u think u had to overheal a group of enemys just for being healer xD.. the logic thing is that u can overheal 1 or 2 guys.

Just try 5 heavy and 2 light ---> + Resistance - damage

or 5 light and 2 heavys ---> +Damage - Resist (but more than 7 lights).

And try 1 handed + shield.

Mr_Nobody · September 2015

There are templar QQ and bug threads, many of those are right and correct. But but but

If you are having problems with a magicka templar while PvE'ing, you must be doing something very, very... VERY WRONG.

Lutallo · September 2015

1. Need 8 traits researched for the Kagreanc's Hope:
Annoying, have to join a guild or find a friend.

2. Almost impossible to find a Vet. 16 group using the group finder que. No text chat, to let everyone know in area chat that I am a healer.
Healers are usually in massive demand. Group finder is ***. Join an active PvE guild or wait by the undaunted camp asking for a group

3. Cannot solo IC mobs for crap as a healer build due to Radiant Destruction nerf.
You shouldn't be using Radiant Destruction to kill monsters in the first place. Puncturing Sweeps is enough to completely sustain yourself with healing whilst doing good damage.

4. Healers always targeted first and usually die first in IC due not being able to burst heal through dps because of the Breath of Life healing nerf.
Blazing Spear. Use channeled focus, it gives resistance AND increases healing inside of it by 30% or whatever.

5. Cannot switch to a DPS or tank role in end game, due to everyone believing Templars are only good as healers.
Magicka Templars have amazing DPS and Stamina Templars are definitely the best DPS in the whole game. Look up a build.

6. No DPS meters on consoles or gear checks, so healers almost always get the blame or get yelled at for the group dying.
If people are dying and they're not standing in the red, it's probably your fault. If they are in the red, it's probably theirs.

7. No good healer Imperial City Telvar Stone sets.
There are a few good sets, but you have to farm them from new dungeons

8. Being out healed by PC transfers due to champion points, 8 traits researched for the Kagreanc's Hope set, and a one year head start.
I've never come across a PC transfer healer. When you're looking for a group, you can't tell that someone is a PC healer with 500 champion points and amazing gear, you just see a templar and think "oh, that guy might be a healer".

Justice31st · September 2015

Lutallo wrote: »

1. Need 8 traits researched for the Kagreanc's Hope:
Annoying, have to join a guild or find a friend.

2. Almost impossible to find a Vet. 16 group using the group finder que. No text chat, to let everyone know in area chat that I am a healer.
Healers are usually in massive demand. Group finder is ***. Join an active PvE guild or wait by the undaunted camp asking for a group

3. Cannot solo IC mobs for crap as a healer build due to Radiant Destruction nerf.
You shouldn't be using Radiant Destruction to kill monsters in the first place. Puncturing Sweeps is enough to completely sustain yourself with healing whilst doing good damage.

4. Healers always targeted first and usually die first in IC due not being able to burst heal through dps because of the Breath of Life healing nerf.
Blazing Spear. Use channeled focus, it gives resistance AND increases healing inside of it by 30% or whatever.

5. Cannot switch to a DPS or tank role in end game, due to everyone believing Templars are only good as healers.
Magicka Templars have amazing DPS and Stamina Templars are definitely the best DPS in the whole game. Look up a build.

6. No DPS meters on consoles or gear checks, so healers almost always get the blame or get yelled at for the group dying.
If people are dying and they're not standing in the red, it's probably your fault. If they are in the red, it's probably theirs.

7. No good healer Imperial City Telvar Stone sets.
There are a few good sets, but you have to farm them from new dungeons

8. Being out healed by PC transfers due to champion points, 8 traits researched for the Kagreanc's Hope set, and a one year head start.
I've never come across a PC transfer healer. When you're looking for a group, you can't tell that someone is a PC healer with 500 champion points and amazing gear, you just see a templar and think "oh, that guy might be a healer".

Awesome insight man. Much appreciated for taking the time to write that post.

delushin · September 2015

Justice31st wrote: »

1. Need 8 traits researched for the Kagreanc's Hope set.

What server and faction? One of my annoying PC transfer Ravens can do that set for you and I am sure he can strike a good deal

2. Almost impossible to find a Vet. 16 group using the group finder que. No text chat, to let everyone know in area chat that I am a healer.

Guilds are the best way to go but you can also have great success using area chat near the undaunted quest pick ups in wayrest

3. Cannot solo IC mobs for crap as a healer build due to Radiant Destruction nerf.

You need to change some of your skills and you can easily solo groups of mobs in IC; open on the group with Reflective Light, then throw a Blazing Spear, and depending on your other skills you can drop an Entrophy on a couple if you wish, the close the gap and smash them all with Punching Sweeps - that will heal you and hurt them SPAM IT and drop a Breath here and there - Watch you mana though

4. Healers always targeted first and usually die first in IC due not being able to burst heal through dps because of the Breath of Life healing nerf.

There is a massive reliance on Breath of Life and yes it is great I use it on my PVP and PVE builds for my Magicka Temp but you need to look at other things as well, how can you shut down the enemy attacking you? Of course being in a group helps as well to call a focus target, but I think there is some build optimisation that you need to carry out. You wont find a build that will always work but if you keep your ear to the ground on what the "meta" is for the other classes -which pretty much 90% of the players will run, then you can work out your counters -revisit the skills tree and look into each skill, understand what they do and how certain ones could work against certain classes that you know are going to do certain skills 99% of the time, eg like the bloody fear spamming NBs LOL

6. Cannot switch to a DPS or tank role in end game, due to everyone believing Templars are only good as healers.

You absolutely can and pre IC I have both healed and dps'ed trials in both hybrid and specific builds - This makes me think you need to find that community that just gets a group going and if you can dps you dps. Although I can see how in the PUG world the templar would not be seen as a first choice dpser

7. No DPS meters on consoles or gear checks, so healers almost always get the blame or get yelled at for the group dying.

This can be a hard one and I am again leading towards this coming from bad experiences in PUGs where ppl can be very quick to blast others sometimes when the simple fact is the group just wont beat the mechanic in general, take whatever that boss is where someone gets pinned, some groups just do not have the dps and will always lose a member to the sword (which I think can be negated???) again though the PUG group might not know other strategies. For me if I pugged I would take control of the group and make the call outs on priorities and strat as well as call incoming damage (red circles), there are some damage mechanics that NO healer can heal through so ask the person what killed them? I bet it will be the 40k red circle they didn't move out of.

8. No good healer Imperial City Telvar Stone sets.

I haven't had a good look into this yet stone wise but just use them to get costumes, you want to farm trophys!

9. Being out healed by PC transfers due to champion points, 8 traits researched for the Kagreanc's Hope set, and a one year head start.

I PC transferred so yea there are some additional CP's there but not many in my case not many at all. As for my temp, I started him fresh and I dont do any crafting but people in the guild do (I understand if you like to solo it), communities in good guilds will help you with builds, gear, farming and teamwork. You can complete all the games content with an organised group who each have bugger all CPs

MLRPZ · September 2015

I blame console player mentality

UltimaJoe777 · September 2015

MLRPZ wrote: »

I blame console player mentality

Not all of us think like OP though you know...

DigitalShibby · September 2015

I play a templar healer on EU PS. I don't have any problem soloing in IC, even 3-4 mobs at a time: as others have said, puncturing sweeps will be your bread and butter. My main dps bar consists of sweeps, radiant glory ( normally use oppression but have been testing the self heal), breath of life, structured entropy and inner light, with soul assault as my ultimate since its a pvp zone.

I win almost every 1v1 with that simple setup, simply because I can constantly heal through attackers damage and sustain my resources long enough to get the kill. Once it's 1vX things get bad, I've won some 1v2s but I think those have come down to skill, since two veteran pvpers who know their stuff could easily do me in after awhile in 1v2.

I run with a small crew of guys so my back bar is blazing spear, annulment, repentance ( not useful in pvp but I keep it for the 10% regen when slotted) breath of life, inner light, toppling charge and remembrance for my ultimate.

For gear right now I'm running 2x v16 gold endurance swords, one with sharpened and one with defending.

3x willpower jewelry ( neck and rings) rings with kuta spell power enchantment and neck with magicka recovery

2x tourags pact in heavy = chest and legs for extra armor.

5x V14 healers habit. ( will be changing this just undecided on to what, I swap in martial knowledge or Phoenix gear sometimes.

When I go full pve healer I use grace of the ancients rings and resto staff for the extra 4% max magicka (combined with inner light giving 5% you can be nearing 38k magicka.

During pve healing I will slot remembrance on my dps bar so the spell power from the swords boosts its effectiveness since it is an oh sh!t you're not dying on me today button.

I use 5x divines traits all at 7.5% and the magicka regen mundus stone, my build feels pretty solid in imperial city since I'm at about 2.3k recovery with about 2.3k spell power, with structured entropy my spell power is around 27xx I think.

I use VR15 Tri stat food also.

on my 2 heavy armor pieces I run health enchantments, the 5 light I run magicka enchantments.

All my attribute points are in magicka.

Also for healing yourself in pvp with the new healing reduction buff, dump a bunch of champ points into quick recovery.

Hope this helps !! If you are on the EU server look me up sometime, psn is the same as my forum id.

Dymence · September 2015

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Templar magicka DPS actually beats Sorc DPS if you take away Sorc's Overload ultimate.

In yo dreams.

Sorry, had to stop by just to point out this heresy.

Prof_Bawbag · September 2015

I've found groups by using my mic. The lack off text chat is obviously an issue, however, if not finding a group relies partly on the aforementioned implementation, then you're the one making it more difficult for yourself. I completely understand why people run around without a mic, however, sometimes it's better to use one for 5mins than wait an age to find a group.

Using a mic isn't as bad as it's made out to be. If some idiot comes in blasting music or acting an idiot just mute and avoid them by going into their gamer card and doing just that. It takes seconds to do and is actually a very good way to avoid these people in future. MS have a very good avoidance mechanism in place. 99% of the time it works as intended.

Robotmafia · September 2015

my templar can heal and tank anything in the game... without respecing or changing atributes... the only thing missing for a templar tank are the chains but u can make up for that with skill... anyone who says a templar cannot tank is a noob :P i mean theres a whole set of class skills lay out for tanking...