Why did we not get character creation like this?

MornaBaine · September 2015

Clear back from 2011!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EOA8am-6kwA

Or this?
https://youtube.com/watch?t=69&v=4TP4L1vHfpk

With the millions that were spent developing this game I still don't understand why we got such skimpy character creation. I love the art style and we can make truly lovely characters. But the limits imposed just make no sense to me when I see what clearly CAN be done in MMOs now.

ViscousSummer88 · September 2015

Because they spent all their budget on rights and voice acting? Haha

Alucardo · September 2015

ViscousSummer88 wrote: »

Because they spent all their budget on rights and voice acting? Haha

Dunno why, I would have done it for free. Game would be 100% better if I voice acted every character in the game, even the women.

baltic1284 · September 2015

Don't ask me but it would be nice to be able to create characters like that no 2 characters would look the same had that happen to a character earlier. The two characters looked exactly the same. There are a lot of things in my eyes that needs improving and I have been playing this game since Beta Tests where being done.

Turelus · September 2015

While that is awesome I honestly think it's a bit too much for how little people spend admiring their characters or other peoples.

EVE Online added very in depth character creation option but people still ended up looking mostly the same due to limitations on hair/facial hair choices. Also the good looking options will always be popular making more people draw to them.

All ZOS needs to do is add another 100 hair options, 50 facial hair options and 50 marking options with their character re-sculpting and we should see a pretty varied array of people

PinoZino · September 2015

Why did we not get character creation like this?

Simple. Because ZSO would violate copyright laws in that case.

NovaMarx · September 2015

Hopefully, character customization will become more detailed with the release of a future "barbershop" - be it an in-game shop or through Crown Store.

Some of the things that really annoy me are:
- Male characters can have beard or adornment, but not both.
- Female characters (and male characters) can have make-up, warpaint, or facial features (like freckles) - but not a combination.
- All characters can have bodypaint or features (like freckles) but not both.

It would be better to have each feature separately - that way characters will also become more unique.

andreasv · September 2015

I saw an IGN video where they played that game and created the grossest thing I've ever seen in a video game. I wouldn't even want to think what the typical ESO troll will create with such "power".

JD2013 · September 2015

Because they are two different games with different ideas?

ES character creation has never been the most in depth character creation tools.

They are however working on a barber shop, so I am sue there will be a few more options.

Granted that a few more options would be nice, but I have now come to the conclusion that there's nothing about this game that people won't complain about.

Rune_Relic · September 2015

Turelus wrote: »

While that is awesome I honestly think it's a bit too much for how little people spend admiring their characters or other peoples.

EVE Online added very in depth character creation option but people still ended up looking mostly the same due to limitations on hair/facial hair choices. Also the good looking options will always be popular making more people draw to them.

All ZOS needs to do is add another 100 hair options, 50 facial hair options and 50 marking options with their character re-sculpting and we should see a pretty varied array of people

Does make you think actually..what do other people see from all your effort ?
Or is it a purely personal experience ?

If its about what you want other people to see as much as yourself.
Then eye colour and brow style really cant be seen from that far away.
They aren't going to be spending much time 1 foot from your face.

So I guess you have to organise options by how noticeable they are at a distance.
Body shape would probably be priority 1 in that regard I guess....followed by hairstyle ?

newtinmpls · September 2015

Turelus wrote: »

While that is awesome I honestly think it's a bit too much for how little people spend admiring their characters or other peoples.

Speak for yourself!

I've sent plenty of in-game mails complimenting folks on character and/or clothing

Ganacampo · September 2015

NovaMarx wrote: »

Hopefully, character customization will become more detailed with the release of a future "barbershop" - be it an in-game shop or through Crown Store.

Some of the things that really annoy me are:
- Male characters can have beard or adornment, but not both.
- Female characters (and male characters) can have make-up, warpaint, or facial features (like freckles) - but not a combination.
- All characters can have bodypaint or features (like freckles) but not both.

It would be better to have each feature separately - that way characters will also become more unique.

This actually is the main problem in TESO character creation.
I honestly don't know what they were thinking.

This and maybe a few more hairstyles and it would be way better.

Or maybe a system to manually paint war paint or scars if that is technically possible.

PinoZino · September 2015

Seems like we have soon a new profession in ESO: hairdresser!

But your character would change into something, oh well, more camp.

Seth_Black · September 2015

Simple answer - IT'S NOT KOREAN GAME
All mmo from Asia have very detailed creation process and very detailed appearances
including all additional stuff in game already that makes your character looks ...awesome? (for some)
You can compare all you want to every other mmo in the world but in the end how fun would it be
if every single one was built on same base ...with just different story.

Hell ...since when gamers got so picky and never happy

Game can run smooth, improve quality, gameplay, content etc ...but still doesn't have X or Y from some other game
...seriously...

twev · September 2015

ViscousSummer88 wrote: »

Because they spent all their budget on rights and voice acting? Haha

Swell, and 96% of the NPCs are voiced by the same 4 people.

Kuroinu · September 2015

Damn, that character creation is amazing. It really puts ESOs and even FFXIVs to shame and gives a new perspective. I honestly wish there would be an MMO that could be successful in all fields; creation, battle system, quests, group and solo play etc.

Too many great ideas and developments are held back due to money issues. Money is the problem or the problem is the want for profit. If some people didn't want money for the sake of just having more, then we could really get things done properly. Too many people live for just money and don't really do much with it. Money is the illusion of wealth.

More games and projects outside of gaming could benefit incredibly if people dropped this way of thinking that money makes them feel safe or comfortable. Instead of looking to profit, you would have people looking to make the best of what they are currently working on. It would be a major change in the way we lived if this happened lol.

Look what your silly character creation made me write!

Danikat · September 2015

For one thing it's a trade-off. For every person who wants to be able to customise every little detail there are people who just want to quickly click through a few options to make a good looking for still somewhat customised character and then get on with playing and they quickly get frustrated with having to play with tons of sliders and options to get the look they want.

Look at Dragon Age: Inquision. That game has a huge amount of character customisation options and the major complaint about it when it came out was that if you don't like the defaults it's incredibly difficult to make a good looking character. That's partially due to the weird lighting, but also the complexity of the sliders which take practice and experimentation to really learn to use.

So designers need to strike a balance between offering tons of options for those who want them and making people who just want to make a distinctive character and then get on with playing feel like they're never going to get through all the tabs and sliders or will be stuck with a hideous mutant if they rush it.

Faulgor · September 2015

- Because 200 people on screen at the same time
- Because ESO's char gen has to support 10 different races of which only some look human

Elsonso · September 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

Clear back from 2011!

With the millions that were spent developing this game I still don't understand why we got such skimpy character creation. I love the art style and we can make truly lovely characters. But the limits imposed just make no sense to me when I see what clearly CAN be done in MMOs now.

1. Fallout 4 will be the first game from this side of the ZeniMax house that will have more advanced character modeling.
2. Character generation in ESO is a cousin of prior TES and Fallout games, and is a general improvement.
3. ESO development started before 2011.
4. Games do not have every feature that exists in all other games, across all brands. They have features that suit their development needs and goals, whether they are in other games or not.

Ganacampo wrote: »

NovaMarx wrote: »

Hopefully, character customization will become more detailed with the release of a future "barbershop" - be it an in-game shop or through Crown Store.

Some of the things that really annoy me are:
- Male characters can have beard or adornment, but not both.
- Female characters (and male characters) can have make-up, warpaint, or facial features (like freckles) - but not a combination.
- All characters can have bodypaint or features (like freckles) but not both.

It would be better to have each feature separately - that way characters will also become more unique.

This actually is the main problem in TESO character creation.
I honestly don't know what they were thinking.

This and maybe a few more hairstyles and it would be way better.

Or maybe a system to manually paint war paint or scars if that is technically possible.

5. The character generation in ESO is a balance between flexibility, performance, complexity, expense, and need. There are a ton of factors that have to be considered, not the least of which is the amount of information that has to be sent to every client about the the characters on the screen and how much character customization the client can display, in real time, for a multitude of characters.

NGP · September 2015

Ahh, hope they add English soon!

Sausage · September 2015

I just hate how we all look so flat, hopefully they improve the character creator. Btw, Black Desert is on my try list, hopefully it comes to PS4, it looks so fresh.

Helba · September 2015

Black Desert really is an incredible game. I will be playing it. The funny thing is the character creator is what caught my eye at first but the combat and pvp looks good too. DAUM GAMES just needs to add a guild housing on top of their trade system and personal housing and it'll be perfect.

Character creator possibilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72rFa_TscYk

Combat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRwETF2kBks

Chelo · September 2015

I wish for an MMO that let me scan my face and body, and use it to model my character... The SAO concept with the nerve gear...

Sausage · September 2015

Ive heard it lacks content big time. Im thinking its like 30-50 hour game.

notimetocare · September 2015

Wait.... OP is complaining about something new? Never would have seen that coming... Sarcasm aside, those are both the same link to a post from mid 2014.

The question is what does this actually add to the game. The majority of players rarely see much more than the backside of their characters. As an RPer, no amount of stuff they add to character creation could cover how I see my characters. Why bloat a system with more to load, more to code, and more to see if it will offer just something else for people to complain about?

Hyssia · September 2015

Because zos doesnt want this to be some weirdo asian rpg?

Legendzerox · September 2015

There are a lot of things Zenimax needs to fix.

danno8 · September 2015

The combat does look pretty cool. I like the 5 seconds CD on abilities, but you can still use them just at 20% effectiveness at 5 sec, 40% at 4 seconds, 60% at 3 seconds etc... A good way to reduce ability spam. Looks like a beautiful world, great character creation, dynamic combat (at first, until the "best" stuff is figured out).

BUT, it's a Korean game and they were unable to find a NA host for it (makes me wonder), and it will be F2P so expect all the grinding (at Korean levels, not piddly NA levels) and intense p2w cash shop a la Archeage.

Nice character creation though.

nimander99 · September 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

ViscousSummer88 wrote: »

Because they spent all their budget on rights and voice acting? Haha

Dunno why, I would have done it for free. Game would be 100% better if I voice acted every character in the game, even the women.

I would've voice acted for free for a Scrolls game.

nimander99 · September 2015

danno8 wrote: »

The combat does look pretty cool. I like the 5 seconds CD on abilities, but you can still use them just at 20% effectiveness at 5 sec, 40% at 4 seconds, 60% at 3 seconds etc... A good way to reduce ability spam. Looks like a beautiful world, great character creation, dynamic combat (at first, until the "best" stuff is figured out).

BUT, it's a Korean game and they were unable to find a NA host for it (makes me wonder), and it will be F2P so expect all the grinding (at Korean levels, not piddly NA levels) and intense p2w cash shop a la Archeage.

Nice character creation though.

It was originally a total sandbox world in alpha testing but as it got closer to open beta more and more sandbox features were removed until it basically became a them park mmo...

Edit: And yes, the grind is real.

Hope499 · September 2015

Turelus wrote: »

While that is awesome I honestly think it's a bit too much for how little people spend admiring their characters or other peoples.

I spend too much time looking at peoples characters and my own lol.