anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

The original plan included a way to "choose" a PvP-free IC. It was called "restricted access" and it depended on what happened on overland Cyrodiil, while also adding sense to overland PvP.

People whined.

ZOS listened. No more restricted access to IC.

Guess what ? People whine.

As to the present "ambassador" suggestion : no, thank you. I don't want IC to become yet another CP grinding area and have it invaded by "PvP-immune" steel tornado spammers. And I don't see why else people would come there killing mobs if there are no TelVar stones and no trophies to collect.

While I'd prefer the original option of restricted access, I can say for doing it everyday that districts' daily quests are perfectly doable solo (and I suck at PvP, believe me). They're fun and exciting and they would be boring as hell and mind numbingly easy if there was no PvP risk involved.

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You are wrong, the original plan was pvp only keep owning gated acces, a mechanic introduced in Daoc 15 years ago and Brought here. Then ppl complained about paying a dlc whining a 24/24 7/7 acces and then they removed this mechanic.
THEY FIRST PROMISED THIS DLC FOR PVP PLAYERS put it in your mind. If you don't like it wait for Orsiunium.

Faunter wrote: »

The entire point of the Imperial City is risk and to gain and lose Tel Var stones.

True but then please explain to me why you get gank when dont even have Tel Var stone for when enter IC i get gank the sec i left door i did not have change to to kill trash mob so yeah get gank over and over again what if point if did not get stone 1 st why do the think i have stone 2nd time or 20th time???

I dont buy this whole thing your wrote the point of IC is to risk and gain and lose stone to me it feel more that PvP just like mess with PvE player for the know that get free kill so get easy point that is all.

And honestly i dont frack about Tel Var Stones or any other trophies to me it is more that i want see story so yeah if are any chance for this "Ambassador mode" i full support for at end of day everyone should have same right to play this game on there own terms beside i have been agains this whole mixing PvP with PvE concept from day 1.

IC: PvP content mixed with PvE elements

Orsinium: PvE only content

Simple.

Enodoc wrote: »

Faunter wrote: »

The entire point of the Imperial City is risk and to gain and lose Tel Var stones.

Not if you have no interest in Tel Var Stones and only want to go to the city for the storyline.

The storyline is easy if you're grouped. Doesn't have to be a zerg, 3 people are enough.
ZOS was careful this time, storyline hubs are protected areas so that we can read and immerse into the story.
We still cannot enjoy the story, but it's NOT because of the PvP environment, it's because it's grouped.
Just like Craglorn or any group dungeon in the game, you have no access to story because it's group content and unless you're extremely lucky, you'll never ever get into a group where people care about the story and let you enjoy it and take the time. All they care about is jump from one quest objective to the next as quickly as possible.

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Every group would run with someone using "Mark of the Imperial Saviour" to scout ahead for them.

Simple solution, when you put the tab on you can no longer see any pvp players only other tab players.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Yeah, riiight.

I can see the cunning plan behind this...

Take up mark of the savoir, do district quest, return mark, turn in quest, get full TV stone box... all the rewards, none of the PvProblems...

Nice try.

I'd agree to this if the PvPers get a "mark of the outlaw" that allows them to attack all PvEers in PvE areas. And get rewards for those kills as well!
Fair's fair, after all.
And I'd hate this happening, so I'd hate an opt-out of imperial city PvP happening as well.
And I don't even like PvP!

If anything, I'd want a "flag of truce" that can only be equipped in your faction base, keeps someone unattackable by players and incapable of attacking at all, but dissapears if they get attacked by monsters - like a disguise. That -would- make more sense, and would not allow them to just milk the warzone for the rewards without any of the risks. Wouldn't be very useful, true... but it'd be fun running up to the enemy base with it and shout a message...

As for the PvE whining... I mean, come on, the next three DLCs will be PvE anyways... Orsinium solo region, Murkmire group region, and then there's also TG and DB, which will very likely be instanced solo stuff again...
For now, just let the PvPeople have their bone, without demanding they give you half of it. The next three will be all yours. And likely the DLC sceme will remain that... one DLC per 3 months, three PvE, one PvP... so the PvEers will end up getting more anyhow, and the pvPers will be the ones feeling left out in the big picture.

Too shortsighted, even the OP suggested that you could not obtain Tel Var stones while under this effect. This would require that any means to gain stones via drops, quests etc. also be unavailable. Quite simply, not doing PvP, not gaining Tel Var stones. That is the goal.

It really doesn't need to be more complex than that.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Yeah, riiight.

I can see the cunning plan behind this...

Take up mark of the savoir, do district quest, return mark, turn in quest, get full TV stone box... all the rewards, none of the PvProblems...

Nice try.

Tel Var Stones would not be part of the reward if the quest was done while in Ambassador Mode.

I'd like to add to this in regard to pvp, Cyrodiil, IC, zergs. To me, peoples idea of what pvp means can be slightly skewed. Pvp = player vs player, 1v1, 50v50, regardless of numbers, we are still battling other players. Really comes down to what game developers decide when creating games.
Cyrodiil is alliance vs alliance. 3 alliances (armies) fighting for control of Cyrodiil, Emperorship. No restrictions were placed on how many people can run in a group. All about choice. Players can decide to roam solo, ganking other players or duelling with enemy players. Guild only squads can be created, same with raid groups, havoc squads along with zergs, blobs. This also applies to IC. No restrictions in place.
In both cases, players forming groups are the ones who can dictate the size of a group. When it comes to IC, players are going to learn their chance of gaining stones & other loot will be significantly less while venturing around in large groups or it may not matter to them. Sometime down the track, players will have either gained what they needed from IC and/or the novelty will wear off. Pvp''ers migrate back to Cyrodiil, pve'rs back to whatever they do outside of Cyrodiil.
Even if group size restrictions were put in place, groups are going to follow one another around the sewer & IC whether intentionally or not. Just as we see 'stragglers'' following groups around now.
Also find it hard to believe, you do not get groups of say 30 players in Cyrodiil steam rolling smaller groups, considering zergs in Cyrodiil continue to be a hot topic. Just because a group is large, it cannot be assumed they are strictly pve players. Pays to remember not all players participating in pvp (AvA) are élite'or hardcore pvpérs.
Guess what! IC is not going anywhere. Not like IC is only here for a limited time.

SammyPeer wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Clear all the centre portals and molag bal simulacrum and u get a nice phat 1000 tv stones in a decent amount of time.

Hey Vangy, I have rolled many a central set of the two rings of portals in the middle of IC with you and even when I get credit for every boss and Molag Balls Deeps Simulacrum I do not get 1000 TV from the middle section of those portals alone. What is your secret?

P.S. I agree with all other things (that I have not quoted) in your post.

Bring 1000 stones with u. Chances of running into another Zerg is like 1 in 10. You will make tons more than u lose in the long run.

@SammyPeer : also hit me up in game of ya see me online. I can give u some extra pointers when I'm organising my 25 man Zerg blog QQ farm runs. Also the number of hate tells I get from people who get killed is hilarious. "Omg u Zerg noob. U think ur pro cos u killed me with 30 people blah blah"'. Get in the zergs way and u will get quashed like a little lvl 5 npc. Zerg is king. Zerg is life. All hail the Zerg.

StihlReign wrote: »

Lock IC and introduce capture the flag mechanics.

You have the flag, the zone or District is open.

Also...an Alliance should be required to hold at least ONE Imperial Keep to enter.

The current gimme state is Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.

PvPer's provided PvE'ers with Emperor bonuses for over a year.

A little PvP to access PvE content should be part of the game.

And hurry with the Justice System.

Amen Steel

StihlReign wrote: »

Lock IC and introduce capture the flag mechanics.

You have the flag, the zone or District is open.

Also...an Alliance should be required to hold at least ONE Imperial Keep to enter.

The current gimme state is Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.

PvPer's provided PvE'ers with Emperor bonuses for over a year.

A little PvP to access PvE content should be part of the game.

And hurry with the Justice System.

Sure as long as I get my $$ back for IC. Or they can make v16 Mats available elsewhere. The whole reason I need to Zerg ic QQ is that I need to get my v16 mats to progress in PVE. So no. iC is not just a pvp zone so it shouldn't be tied to cyro keeps in anyway. If I can progress pve without stepping foot in ic then sure. Zeni can do whatever they want with ic and I couldn't care less because it doesn't affect me in any way. But as long as they force pvers to mindlessly grind mats in ic for God knows what reason (ic was supposed to be for pvpers no?), tying it to cyro is a bad idea.

Vangy wrote: »

. Or they can make v16 Mats available elsewhere.

Aren't they already ? I mean, you can scale any dungeon in normal or vet mode to VR16 and the mobs will drop VR16 stuff that you can decon...

It's not a bad idea. But I can see how this could work out both good and bad.

Honestly I don't mind it but then people will be doing dailies in that mode then going back to farming the sewers (which could reduce the many chaotic yet fun encounters in the districts).. this could also have a negative effect on IC as a whole so that REALLY needs to be taken into consideration, as most people seem to absolutely love IC and you hear it in-game even more often than the forums (at least in my experience).

I think the biggest issue with dailies, is only being able to have 1 in your journal at a time and only being able to collect the quest from going up the ladders in base.

I will sometimes hit different districts doing PVP, looting chests, etc.. while I have a quest complete before returning to base. Instead I could have done a few dailies while PVPing, etc.. instead of wasting all of that time with loading screens and trips to and from base.

Really.... V16 normal and vet dungeons drop mats is ur answer................ Try doing vet 16 dungeons with pugs or casuals who are in <v14 gear. Even in normal mode it would take around 30 mins to clear one and the mats u get from Decon is a joke. I can walk into ic and farm the first room for 30 mins and get x10 more mats...... All they need to do is let the stupid mats drop off some nodes in crag and let the decon give u 3 instead of 1 and ic would be free of mindless Zerg bots like me.