anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm surprised.
If XP pots are too expensive why not craft them yourself ? I mean, you might not have the recipe at first but having it does not require character's strength, nor player's skills... just a little bit of method.
Getting your char to lvl 50 in provisioning is a matter of a few hours, not more.
Then doing daily provisioning writs is a matter of minutes every day. There you get recipe parts. Say 1/week on average, give or take. By the time this system has been out you should have all recipe parts together, if not you can trade those you have twice, that costs nothing but a few zone messages.
Now that you have the recipe you have to gather a few baits - they drop everywhere at any level, in 1-2 hours you have enough baits for a good fishing session.
Then you go fishing - that is also available everywhere and costs nothing but a bit of method and patience.
Fish 300-400 fish... you'd be extremely unlucky not to get AT LEAST one roe out of filleting them.
Go to a cooking fire, there you have your XP pot.

None of this requires hard grinding nor skills nor strength. Just a little bit of method and willpower.

My skills lie elsewhere mainly surviving by using almost all my points in battle/ restoration skills and don't seem to get enough points to even begin stuff like even more crafting. My crafting skill is clothier and having a bit of a hard time getting to Kresh level crafting. I'm new to MMOs and yes I find it difficult to adapt to these and doing seemingly unnecessary things to get from a to b.

For me, ESO is not a game anymore it is a chore and a boring one at that, especially having to go through the motions of another faction storyline which is like the one you did previously. I get more enjoyment cleaning the whole house and I feel better for it.
Darn it I'm off topic.

TL;DR

I'm a crap clothier and most of my points are in restoration, dark magic and Daedric summoning in order to go out and find resources/ storyline. Hirelings are okay but don't get you what you need most of the time.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

As someone who can't catch up to anyone because of XP potions being too darned expensive, I simply gave up looking. Enemies are way too strong for my character and I have to simply "suck it up." I'm v1 and having a hard time in the first area of Cadwell's silver.

Pleased? Nope. Want to play something else? Yes I do. Do I answer my own questions? Yes I do. It's the only good sense I'm getting.

All in all I'm not surprised if it is linked in some way.

I'm surprised.
If XP pots are too expensive why not craft them yourself ? I mean, you might not have the recipe at first but having it does not require character's strength, nor player's skills... just a little bit of method.
Getting your char to lvl 50 in provisioning is a matter of a few hours, not more.
Then doing daily provisioning writs is a matter of minutes every day. There you get recipe parts. Say 1/week on average, give or take. By the time this system has been out you should have all recipe parts together, if not you can trade those you have twice, that costs nothing but a few zone messages.
Now that you have the recipe you have to gather a few baits - they drop everywhere at any level, in 1-2 hours you have enough baits for a good fishing session.
Then you go fishing - that is also available everywhere and costs nothing but a bit of method and patience.
Fish 300-400 fish... you'd be extremely unlucky not to get AT LEAST one roe out of filleting them.
Go to a cooking fire, there you have your XP pot.

None of this requires hard grinding nor skills nor strength. Just a little bit of method and willpower.

Unless one likes fishing and/or will be doing fishing anyway (e.g., for the achievement), it probably isn't worth one's time or gold to invest in making Psijic Ambrosia - it is highly likely that there are more efficient ways to gain either XP or gold.

On one max-level provisioner I've been doing the writs pretty much every day since the patch released on PC, and I've gotten a total of TWO fragments - both the same one. And it's not just me. Check the thread about fragment drop rates. Unless one has a slew of characters, it is very unlikely that one will acquire all the fragments in less than four to six months (possibly longer due to dups). That leaves purchasing them. While they have come down in price a lot (at least on PC), they are still relatively expensive. Then comes the fishing time - probably at least an hour on average to get each Perfect Roe.

Others have done reasonable analysis that shows that in all, the opportunity cost of producing Psijic Ambrosia makes it questionable in terms of either using the XP drinks for oneself (due to the time one could have spent doing other activities that gain XP) or for sale (due to other activities that one could have done that would have produced more gold - or just selling the Perfect Roe). The one thing people seem to agree on is that if one is doing fishing anyway, then either using the XP drinks or selling the Perfect Roe/Psijic Ambrosia is a "good thing".

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@smacx250 :

I agree on the point that XP pots, especially self-crafted ones, are not necessarily a gain in terms of time played / XP earned ratio. I was merely giving hints to @Elektrakosh who stated to struggle with mobs and could not catch up in stats due to lack of gold for buying XP pots.

As to recipe fragments, I must have been very lucky with drop rates then... 1 part out of 7/10 writs is the rate I've been experiencing. Yes you get duplicates but so does other people and trading those is easy. Nearly everyone I know can craft ambrosia by now.

And yes 1 hour fishing per roe is my experience also, on average. But I happen to like fishing :-) But anyway, I was just giving hints to another player. No gold doesn't mean no access to XP pots.

I hear you. I'm not down on making XP drinks or anything - I do have the recipe (I bought the frags that I needed). I delayed working on my fishing achievement once I heard about the drink and perfect roe. I'm very glad that I didn't do it sooner! If one is doing the fishing anyway I think it is a good income or source of XP drinks. If one is just starting out and are low on gold, it might be easier to just sell the roe and then buy the drink instead of slogging through the fragment process. The really great thing about it (fishing for roe) is that it is available to anyone of any level, and doesn't require any particular skills.

This is off topic, but for the v1 sorc having unpleasantness with vet content, I'd suggest the following with respect to skills (this is what ended up helping me out on my sorc back when I was doing silver/gold - I ran summons prior to this): If you haven't, get shattering prison (encase) and liquid lightning (lighting flood). Run into range of a pack of mobs, encase them, drop liquid lightning, and then spam away with crushing shock (force shock), light attacks, and crystal frags. Re-apply encase and liquid lightning as they run out. And of course get hardened ward (conjured ward) as soon as you can. Make sure when you turn in a quest that you have the skill bar selected with the skills that you want to level, as only the active bar levels up. As far as skill points go, look online for where all the skyshards are, and other things that give skill points (e.g., certain bosses in public dungeons - re-run the low level ones if you didn't get them). You can also re-spec your skill points to free up ones that you aren't using any more from when you were lower level (it isn't too expensive). Good luck!

MornaBaine wrote: »

Getting the perfect roe is a HUGE pain. Horrifically time consuming. Yet the whole point of the potions is to SHORTEN your time spent leveling. But this is COMPLETELY NEGATED by the fact that you'll spend 3 times as long getting the perfect roe to make the stuff in the first place. BUYING perfect roe is stupidly expensive. I get the prices, that stuff is rare and you'll spend DAYS getting any. But that's pretty much the problem. ZOS went out of their way to make these potions useless so you'd be tempted to buy the scrolls from the crown store instead. It's really dirty pool on their part.

You're being totally unfair here.
Have you really been fishing for roe ?
If you had been, you would know that 1 perfect roe = 1 hour of fishing on average.
So it's NOT what you pretend it to be, truth is psijic ambrosia is really easy to get now now matter how (fishing - buying) and ZOS has been really fair with that considering there's an equivalent in the crown store.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Getting the perfect roe is a HUGE pain. Horrifically time consuming. Yet the whole point of the potions is to SHORTEN your time spent leveling. But this is COMPLETELY NEGATED by the fact that you'll spend 3 times as long getting the perfect roe to make the stuff in the first place. BUYING perfect roe is stupidly expensive. I get the prices, that stuff is rare and you'll spend DAYS getting any. But that's pretty much the problem. ZOS went out of their way to make these potions useless so you'd be tempted to buy the scrolls from the crown store instead. It's really dirty pool on their part.

Add to that that the place I want to use them the very most, Cadwell's Silver, is not actually worthwhile. Why? Because you HAVE to do all these specific Main Story quests and complete them so using the ambrosia SAVES YOU NO TIME AT ALL.

Way to go ZOS, way to go....

The whole Ambrosia thing is just too expensive, the way it is.

Perfect Roe, for me, is 9/1526, or 0.58%. I stopped fishing for it weeks ago, now. I sold quite a few on the Console for whatever the market would pay. The PC price is not high enough for me to spend time farming it since I cannot sell the byproduct, like I can with Nirncrux.

I thought I would maybe do the recipe, but I have gotten exactly 4 fragments over the last few weeks (two Improvement 6 writs/day). Three of the four are fragment #1. No one seems to be buying the fragments according to Master Merchant, so I am not even bothering to sell them. For now, they are just cluttering up the bank.

From my perspective, the only cost effective way to do this is to pick up the Crown Store version.

Mitchblue wrote: »

Or because it's rather easy to level.. Why spend high amounts of gold on something you don't need? That's my theory.

Champion Point gain is affected as well.
There is a purpose to using these items past level cap.


And for OP, honestly, I just think the novelty of such items is starting to wear thin for some individuals.

@Lightninvash , dont lie to everyone, we know you don't wipe your butt.

is there any other way? @Endless-Shogun

Really interresting thread. I ll give you my analysis on this.
First i think that the real market for xp pot are CP grinder.
Why because since it is time base only someone with a good xp/hour ratio will notice the benefit of those pots AND there is no end to that grind ( at least 3600 pts but that is a distant and long goal).
Of course I know that other poeple can buy those pots for other reasons like lvling faster or lvling alt.But those are neglitible compare to cp grinding.Just a casual grinder as myself(436 cp with an average of 1 to1.5 hour daily grind per day) equals to vet100+.
Now all grind spot for v15+ are in pvp place. So that present a risk of losing time and so wasting your pots.

The solution presented aka xp value instead of time is the one to go providing the value are on par with what an erage and acceptable grind value is today.That is quite touchy since subjective.

Anyway for everybody who is not a super efficient grinder it will be better : no pressure on a timer.no "sorry i can t so the daily right now...I just use an xp pot/scroll"

But Those who are super efficient might need to spend more gold/money. The question is would it be a bad thing actually? More gold/money spend for power champlvling can be a good thing but... It can be considered as a step forward pMore2win.

On Xbox is due to the fact the free market ran the price into the ground due to the vast amount of players trying to do it. To much supply not enough demand

@Violynne - Heh, that's far better luck than me. I've been fishing for trophies toward the master achievement (with the exception of Ocean, because holy crap worms are hard to find and a pain to grind for), and I generally get 1 to 2 Perfect Roe every 100 to 160 fishes. About a 1% rate. Other fish do drop them, though, I've acquired Perfect Roe from river, lake, and foulwater fish.

Violynne wrote: »

I'm sure my stats will change over time. I just started fishing because of provisioning, but like others, those achievements just got to me, so now I'm going for them. I doubt I will go for them all, but I just want to see how many I can get.

Go ahead !!! You'll see, "master angler" is the coolest title in the entire game, and still pretty remarkable. Not like all these "former emperors" you see running around everywhere like ants ! :-)

Francescolg wrote: »

I am not willed to discuss any of my points. This are only my experiences of s.o. who plays a lot alone/casual and a lot of PvP (before the last patch).

That's OK, don't worry, we won't force you into debating, I've never debated with anyone against their will . But the truth is, if you're not willing to discuss, it makes little sense to post on a forum which purpose is to discuss.

Still have to correct you on one fact : XP pots last 50 minutes (with the drinking passives) and not 30.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Getting the perfect roe is a HUGE pain. Horrifically time consuming. Yet the whole point of the potions is to SHORTEN your time spent leveling. But this is COMPLETELY NEGATED by the fact that you'll spend 3 times as long getting the perfect roe to make the stuff in the first place. BUYING perfect roe is stupidly expensive. I get the prices, that stuff is rare and you'll spend DAYS getting any. But that's pretty much the problem. ZOS went out of their way to make these potions useless so you'd be tempted to buy the scrolls from the crown store instead. It's really dirty pool on their part.

You're being totally unfair here.
Have you really been fishing for roe ?
If you had been, you would know that 1 perfect roe = 1 hour of fishing on average.
So it's NOT what you pretend it to be, truth is psijic ambrosia is really easy to get now now matter how (fishing - buying) and ZOS has been really fair with that considering there's an equivalent in the crown store.

Time spent fishing is comparable to time spent questing. And, as you can see if you read the rest of this thread, not everyone has the same rate of success in acquiring the perfect roe. Ergo, any time SAVED by being able to use a double XP potion is utterly negated by the time it takes to acquire the mats and MAKE the potion. Hence, it's a rip off.

Regarding the value of fishing for Perfect Roe, some folk use fishing for a change of pace or to decompress a bit (with some nice background music to boot). It may not be something they plan to even directly use, but rather a nice bonus to an activity they were going to do anyway.

If you look at the "questing vs fishing" time spent, a player could be seen as spending potential XP gain for potential gold gain. This can be especially valuable for lower level players, since (to my knowledge) the chance of gaining this resource is not tied to level. A new, informed player could make 10-24k that day just "taking a break with some fishing" if luck is with them.

This should create a supply and demand cycle, where lower-level players and players fishing because they enjoy the activity supply higher-level players grinding for XP/CP and players in need of a boost with Perfect Roe or Ambrosia.

Of course, if something happens where demand breaks, the value of the supply suddenly diminishes... thus, my initial inquiries.