Death to NBs ?

ricktunstalljrb14_ESO · September 2015

After this patch with all of the things that have changed, it seems my damage output to other players has drastically been reduced. Is a stam build with a bow/2hander viable anymore ? In terms of survivability and damage i dont think so, but i would love other inputs. I love the bow and would love to know a build where it can still be used. I also have a magicka build that was pretty good but its very boring to play. Have new builds for the update ? Please share them with me so i can get a handle on what the hell is going on!

P.S : I am a WoodElf NB (v15) So buffed in cyrodil it says my snipe does 7.8k damage which against players before the patch would kill anyone vet 3-5 and below within 4-5 shots, i cant even kill a vet 1-2 with 6-8 snipes now and the numbers just dont make sense to me.

ricktunstalljrb14_ESO · September 2015

updated (cant delete this post?)

dreamfarer · September 2015

This patch intentionally changes the pace of PvP combat drastically. The fights are intentionally longer now, so it's less "death to Nighblades" and more "death to insta-gibbing".

I think your options are rebuild for sustain/prolonged fighting or completely overgear at VR16...until the level cap rises again and you need to repeat process.

ricktunstalljrb14_ESO · September 2015

dreamfarer wrote: »

This patch intentionally changes the pace of PvP combat drastically. The fights are intentionally longer now, so it's less "death to Nighblades" and more "death to insta-gibbing".

I think your options are rebuild for sustain/prolonged fighting or completely overgear at VR16...until the level cap rises again and you need to repeat process.

I understand that it changed the pace, but i can still die as fast as before but i cant kill, my sustain isnt a problem but surviving/doing damage is the problem.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

A bow 2h stamina build is even stronger than the previous patch, cloak combines with the dmg they do makes them the strongest build in ic at the moment

dreamfarer · September 2015

ricktunstalljrb14_ESO wrote: »

dreamfarer wrote: »

This patch intentionally changes the pace of PvP combat drastically. The fights are intentionally longer now, so it's less "death to Nighblades" and more "death to insta-gibbing".

I think your options are rebuild for sustain/prolonged fighting or completely overgear at VR16...until the level cap rises again and you need to repeat process.

I understand that it changed the pace, but i can still die as fast as before but i cant kill, my sustain isnt a problem but surviving/doing damage is the problem.

Can't survive against other players or against the mobs in IC?

If it's other players are they VR16 (which gets noticably better gear than VR15) or is it players in general, regardless of level range (also are you a vampire -- aka could the meta that you're encountering have shifted to more fire damage than usual).

If it's the mobs, well, yeah, they are more brutal than earlier mobs. At VR15 and 16 they've got more hp and more damage output than ever before. I had to recalibrate my expectations a lot coming into IC. In Cyrodiil I can easily plow through groups of 3 and handle significantly more than that if I'm awake and playing right. In IC taking on more than 1 at a time is a challenge and groups of 4 or above are still a death sentence for me at VR6 with my build and play skill. On a bright note though, the first night I was in IC, even solo fights were extremely challenging and those have definitely gotten easier so I can see some real progress happening.

WyldfireWyrm · September 2015

ricktunstalljrb14_ESO wrote: »

After this patch with all of the things that have changed, it seems my damage output to other players has drastically been reduced. Is a stam build with a bow/2hander viable anymore ? In terms of survivability and damage i dont think so, but i would love other inputs. I love the bow and would love to know a build where it can still be used. I also have a magicka build that was pretty good but its very boring to play. Have new builds for the update ? Please share them with me so i can get a handle on what the hell is going on!

P.S : I am a WoodElf NB (v15) So buffed in cyrodil it says my snipe does 7.8k damage which against players before the patch would kill anyone vet 3-5 and below within 4-5 shots, i cant even kill a vet 1-2 with 6-8 snipes now and the numbers just dont make sense to me.

Stamina nightblades took a pretty hefty hit for 2 reasons. The first is the changes to dodge roll. Stamblades lost the ability to abuse the action, which has taken a massive chunk of their survivability and resource regen away in prolonged fights. The second is the PVP damage reduction down to 50% from 15-20%. This change favors sustainable DPS now much heavier than burst builds. Burst skills still have their place, which is why Sorcs are still on top because they can combine burst with sustainability. Stamblades are most centered around burst type skills with few sustained skills at their disposal.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Stam build are the strongest build in IC , sure they can't inf dodge roll anymore but just stacking a bit of magicka regen lets them inf cloak instead, the right timed roll + cloak is all the survivability a stam nb needs.

Plus they have have the highest dmg, magicka builds don't compete, a stam nb with a 2h does so much more dmg, 7-8k wb's easy.

There the only class i've saw successfully 1vX up to now.

Reeko · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam build are the strongest build in IC , sure they can't inf dodge roll anymore but just stacking a bit of magicka regen lets them inf cloak instead, the right timed roll + cloak is all the survivability a stam nb needs.

Plus they have have the highest dmg, magicka builds don't compete, a stam nb with a 2h does so much more dmg, 7-8k wb's easy.

There the only class i've saw successfully 1vX up to now.

Now is not 1.6

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Reeko wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam build are the strongest build in IC , sure they can't inf dodge roll anymore but just stacking a bit of magicka regen lets them inf cloak instead, the right timed roll + cloak is all the survivability a stam nb needs.

Plus they have have the highest dmg, magicka builds don't compete, a stam nb with a 2h does so much more dmg, 7-8k wb's easy.

There the only class i've saw successfully 1vX up to now.

Now is not 1.6

Go watch a few vids, also i've seen it happen, it's easy to stack regen as well a nb can easy get enough magicka to inf cloak as well as have enough stam regen to not run out while still having high dmg.

alt3rEgo · September 2015

You need to be V16 to feel like V14 again. Yes.

Elijah_Crow · September 2015

I'm stronger now as a Stam Nightblade at V16 than I was at V14. It took some tweaking and testing to get back but you can get there.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam build are the strongest build in IC , sure they can't inf dodge roll anymore but just stacking a bit of magicka regen lets them inf cloak instead, the right timed roll + cloak is all the survivability a stam nb needs.

Plus they have have the highest dmg, magicka builds don't compete, a stam nb with a 2h does so much more dmg, 7-8k wb's easy.

There the only class i've saw successfully 1vX up to now.

Just rerolling magic WB has a one second cast time you can light attack, Concealed Weapons and light attack again in that time with higher damage WB is great if you can land it back cloak light, CW. And light hits harder three possible crit hits and stealth stun for a CC all possible in the same time frame.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam build are the strongest build in IC , sure they can't inf dodge roll anymore but just stacking a bit of magicka regen lets them inf cloak instead, the right timed roll + cloak is all the survivability a stam nb needs.

Plus they have have the highest dmg, magicka builds don't compete, a stam nb with a 2h does so much more dmg, 7-8k wb's easy.

There the only class i've saw successfully 1vX up to now.

Just rerolling magic WB has a one second cast time you can light attack, Concealed Weapons and light attack again in that time with higher damage WB is great if you can land it back cloak light, CW. And light hits harder three possible crit hits and stealth stun for a CC all possible in the same time frame.

Believe me wb does so much more dmg ^^

Also you can animation cancel a wb with a heavy attack and have them hit at the same time (the heavy attack with 20% more dmg)