DK self heals (stam)

Vangy · September 2015

Green dragon blood seems to work like putting a bandaid on gushing wounds after getting machine gunned..... I was told to go vigor instead?
And rally seems to do nothing for healing either. Is there something im missing or is vigor really the only way to go for heals if your a stam class?

hardcore_gmr · September 2015

Couple igneous shield (30% increased healing) with GDB or Rally and they are better. But for PvP for fast acting heals you want vigor or blessing of protection. That 50% healing reduction in PvP makes GDB and Rally more preventive healing than immediate healing.

Vangy · September 2015

hardcore_gmr wrote: »

Couple igneous shield (30% increased healing) with GDB or Rally and they are better. But for PvP for fast acting heals you want vigor or blessing of protection. That 50% healing reduction in PvP makes GDB and Rally more preventive healing than immediate healing.

Hmm ty for the insight sir

Johngo0036 · September 2015

yeah it is not by using the ability only,

Rally works really well when it is close to the end of its cycle,
Pop it as you go into battle,
Refresh it JUST BEFORE it ends and WHAM an 12k heal

dont just pop GDB and expect it to save you,
First pop igneous shield and then GDB.....

Small tricks you learn from many deaths... lol

Zsymon · September 2015

GDB is just a really bad skill, I don't know why it gets overrated so much. People think it's this amazing survival skill, where as in reality it only heals for tiny tiny amounts, unless you sacrifice literally everything to raise your healing received, and even then it's still a lot worse than Breath of Life, for which a Templar didn't have to sacrifice anything.

Stamina builds need to keep up the combination of Rally and Resolving Vigor to survive. GDB is a massive waste of a slot.

Vangy · September 2015

Zsymon wrote: »

GDB is just a really bad skill, I don't know why it gets overrated so much. People think it's this amazing survival skill, where as in reality it only heals for tiny tiny amounts, unless you sacrifice literally everything to raise your healing received, and even then it's still a lot worse than Breath of Life, for which a Templar didn't have to sacrifice anything.

Stamina builds need to keep up the combination of Rally and Resolving Vigor to survive. GDB is a massive waste of a slot.

Before IC though I found it extremely useful... Now I think as u suggested im going to go with vigor. Kinda sad really that a class skill just got *** on by a common skill tree....

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Like people said, put a few cps into heals, use igneous first (30% more healing) , try coagulating blood (8% more) as well.

So 30% + 8% + Whatever you have in cp = a lot better heals ^^

Though most stamina use this and then use vigor + rally , 2x Hot's with a decent burst when you need it.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Like people said, put a few cps into heals, use igneous first (30% more healing) , try coagulating blood (8% more) as well.

So 30% + 8% + Whatever you have in cp = a lot better heals ^^

Though most stamina use this and then use vigor + rally , 2x Hot's with a decent burst when you need it.

Vangy · September 2015

So if I use vigor/coagulating/obsidian/rally that's 4 slots just to heal....

T.T I don't have enough slots for other stuffz. That being said though I guess all I need for dps is crit Rush and WB... I can make my bow bar an utility bar with snipe.. Will try this out ty!

willymchilybily · September 2015

Vangy wrote: »

So if I use vigor/coagulating/obsidian/rally that's 4 slots just to heal....

T.T I don't have enough slots for other stuffz. That being said though I guess all I need for dps is crit Rush and WB... I can make my bow bar an utility bar with snipe.. Will try this out ty!

lol
The point i think was, igneous is +30%, the other morph +8%. The passive for having draconic ability active +12% = +50% missing health + CP on top gives a nice heal. except in PVP

Vangy · September 2015

@willymchilybily : the heal reduction applies to IC pve content too no? Like when ur farming stones and etc?

Lefty_Lucy · September 2015

Vangy wrote: »

@willymchilybily : the heal reduction applies to IC pve content too no? Like when ur farming stones and etc?

If you are in the imperial city, you will receive the healing debuff. This does not include the new imperial city dungeons (white gold tower and imperial city prison)

Vangy · September 2015

@Lefty_Lucy how do you feel about the dk with regards to sustain? I feel like my Gdb without obsidian shield is totally gimped and next to useless. Like I use vigor over dragons blood now and as a stamina dk I use more weapon and vamp abilities and literally the only dk skills I use are flames of obl and searing strike. I feel like most of our class skills are pretty lackluster at the moment.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Vangy wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy how do you feel about the dk with regards to sustain? I feel like my Gdb without obsidian shield is totally gimped and next to useless. Like I use vigor over dragons blood now and as a stamina dk I use more weapon and vamp abilities and literally the only dk skills I use are flames of obl and searing strike. I feel like most of our class skills are pretty lackluster at the moment.

You don't use fossilize or such?

willymchilybily · September 2015

Vangy wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy how do you feel about the dk with regards to sustain? I feel like my Gdb without obsidian shield is totally gimped and next to useless. Like I use vigor over dragons blood now and as a stamina dk I use more weapon and vamp abilities and literally the only dk skills I use are flames of obl and searing strike. I feel like most of our class skills are pretty lackluster at the moment.

You tried using volatile armour in place of immovable (I just assume everyone uses immovable on stam builds that aren't nb.), it's annoying VA is magicka based maybe they will re work the hardened morph as the damage shield is pants.doesn't have the 5sec stun immunity but least your 12% to healing received passive will be up and makes dropping dragons blood in place of vigor an interesting option, and you have rally on 2H anyway. Just a thought, not tried ic yet ps4 console scum and all that

Also you only use batswarm and mist form? So an escape and an ult? One in each bar? You could easily slot another magicka skill I expect

I think Lefty mentioned testing the build with bow 2H so can probably give you some good feed back on what works soon.

Vangy · September 2015

Well my set up is as follows;

2-handed bar (main dps,single target bar)
1-critical Rush
2- wrecking blow
3-executioner
4-rally
5-flames of oblivion
Ult-flawless daw breaker

Bow bar( situational dps/aoe/utility)
1-acid spray
2-snipe
3-most form
4-vigor
5-flames of oblivion
Ult-devouring swarm

I use the 2 hander bar for aggressive gap closing and in your face wb and swap over to bow when I need to get away or gain some distance and use snipe to open fights. Also vamp ult helps for quickly dispersing enemies and to heal up if I get swarmed by multiple players.

This current set up is for both pvp and pve in IC because they happen concurrently most of the time. I only have issues with sustaining my resources and health in long fights but then again I only have around 91 cp so maybe that's the issue

Vangy · September 2015

Ah flawless dawn breaker*
Mist* form

Sorry on phone so typos are killing me

Vangy · September 2015

Also my gear set up is;

V16: hundings 5 and 2 nights silence with molag kena shoulders
5M/1H/1L
All golden with golden enchants
V14: ravager rings and neck

My stats unbuffed:

21k health/22k stam/~10k magicka
3000 Wp damage/~58% crit
Can't remember my spell/armor resistances

Also I use drinks over max stat food for IC because it helps my sustain

willymchilybily · September 2015

@Vangy Seems very...PVE build. Maybe play styles are just too different. do you not struggle in ic when facing pvpers?

I don't want to derail the thread from original context, but I find a pvp build can kill PVE mobs just fine, but PVE build cannot do very well in pvp.

I'd certainly drop a few of those skills for pvp content, and even PVE content in a pvp zone. Edit[snip]

Vangy · September 2015

Please yes do advise. I have very little experience in pvp dps. I used to be a magicka tank before IC in pvp. What would you suggest I swap around. I really am used to seeing big numbers in pve so I try to maintain my damage lol. Maybe it's time I adjust my build to the pvp setting of IC.

Vangy · September 2015

@willymchilybily yes I do find it difficult in pvp. I pretty much lose 50% of my fights. When I win its mostly because I hit a crit rush followed by a light into wb+ heavy with animation cancel+ light+executioner insta gib QQ

Also when I'm losing I just mist form and bats warm comboed with move speed boost from bow tree after dodge roll to easily get away(most of the time). So I don't really die that often.

What my build needs is more sustain + being able to not need to run away so much.

Lefty_Lucy · September 2015

Vangy wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy how do you feel about the dk with regards to sustain? I feel like my Gdb without obsidian shield is totally gimped and next to useless. Like I use vigor over dragons blood now and as a stamina dk I use more weapon and vamp abilities and literally the only dk skills I use are flames of obl and searing strike. I feel like most of our class skills are pretty lackluster at the moment.

I found myself dropping coagulating blood with this update and replacing it with Vigor. I pretty much only use unstable flame and petrify for stamina DK. I'll throw burning breath on there every now and then, but for most abilities, I am reaching outside of the DK trees, like you mentioned.

At this point, the best part about the stamina DK is the passives. Namely, battle roar.

Vangy · September 2015

Lefty_Lucy wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy how do you feel about the dk with regards to sustain? I feel like my Gdb without obsidian shield is totally gimped and next to useless. Like I use vigor over dragons blood now and as a stamina dk I use more weapon and vamp abilities and literally the only dk skills I use are flames of obl and searing strike. I feel like most of our class skills are pretty lackluster at the moment.

I found myself dropping coagulating blood with this update and replacing it with Vigor. I pretty much only use unstable flame and petrify for stamina DK. I'll throw burning breath on there every now and then, but for most abilities, I am reaching outside of the DK trees, like you mentioned.

At this point, the best part about the stamina DK is the passives. Namely, battle roar.

Ah yes our Passives are pretty much the only reason I haven't started wearing a dress cos stamina as a whole for dk seems to be wb or no deal.

Infinite12 · September 2015

@Lefty_Lucy but doesn't that speak volumes to how much DK's have been crippled in this update? I am a stam DK dps. I use vigor but in pvp it's still useless. I honestly don't know what to do for self heals. I have no survivability right now. I get destroyed in seconds.

willymchilybily · September 2015

Vangy wrote: »

@willymchilybily yes I do find it difficult in pvp. I pretty much lose 50% of my fights. When I win its mostly because I hit a crit rush followed by a light into wb+ heavy with animation cancel+ light+executioner insta gib QQ

Also when I'm losing I just mist form and bats warm comboed with move speed boost from bow tree after dodge roll to easily get away(most of the time). So I don't really die that often.

What my build needs is more sustain + being able to not need to run away so much.

I'm hesitant to give advise not being the best PVP player, and not having IC until tonight so what worked in 1.6 may not fair so well in IC. And it comes down a lot to personal preference, i don't use a DK to nuke an enemy down i use it to outlast them and be tanky, if thats not your play style my suggestions may not be for you so ill try to be generic.

armor types:

I like to have 2 Hev, 5 Med armor and recently started using reinforced traits for my DK, making sure the heavy pieces on chest+head/legs. (sounds like you just crafted your set so probably dont want to change it, but consider it if you decide to try a different crafted set). It depends if you want the extra +2% base stats from undaunted passives or more of the heavy armor passives? i prefer the armor passives.

skill balance:

The first thing that strikes me is the amount of damage moves and damage buffs you have. Drop flames of oblivion and you will be in good shape to put some more utility on your bar, i imagine you already have good crit? I wouldnt try to dps from bow personally, but that's up to you, I enjoy magnum shot, which combos with crit rush really well, and is a stun, and makes space. And use heavy attack over snipe myself. it is virtually the same damage and cast time with CP, and nice stamina returned. but that's all personal preference.

ultimate choices:

I use bow for range, and to annoy the enemy. So i would not use bats here. i would use dragons leap it has nice range and combos really well with the other skills

utility:

So far you have almost entirely stamina abilities and no magicka (but mist form which you only used to get away). This gives you options now in your spare slots. You should see you can actually slot 1 or 2 magicka moves and even use them reasonably frequently especially if you are using drinks over food. I myself found even as a stamina character i could use reflective scales enough to make it worth slotting on the bow bar. This is where you can try more heals with igneous, more mitigation with spiked armor, removing dots with purge, etc without vastly changing what you are use to but just adding more to it.

iseko · September 2015

Igneous shield + cp into healing strength and healing received.

If you have a bonus for health regen (racial for example orc) then use it. U can get 1k+ to 2k without to much investment. Health regen isnt halfed in cyrodiil. 2k health regen is 1k hps.

Vigor is nice

Rally for burst heals

Master sword (s&b) and ransack. More ultimate and more heals. Ransack can also do quite a bit of dmg. You can go to a base heal of 3-4-5k per second (while fighting, just running im the background).rally for burst heals and gdb/ultimates if you are really taking a pounding. Some heavy armor does wonder as well.

Vangy · September 2015

willymchilybily wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

@willymchilybily yes I do find it difficult in pvp. I pretty much lose 50% of my fights. When I win its mostly because I hit a crit rush followed by a light into wb+ heavy with animation cancel+ light+executioner insta gib QQ

Also when I'm losing I just mist form and bats warm comboed with move speed boost from bow tree after dodge roll to easily get away(most of the time). So I don't really die that often.

What my build needs is more sustain + being able to not need to run away so much.

I'm hesitant to give advise not being the best PVP player, and not having IC until tonight so what worked in 1.6 may not fair so well in IC. And it comes down a lot to personal preference, i don't use a DK to nuke an enemy down i use it to outlast them and be tanky, if thats not your play style my suggestions may not be for you so ill try to be generic.

armor types:
I like to have 2 Hev, 5 Med armor and recently started using reinforced traits for my DK, making sure the heavy pieces on chest+head/legs. (sounds like you just crafted your set so probably dont want to change it, but consider it if you decide to try a different crafted set). It depends if you want the extra +2% base stats from undaunted passives or more of the heavy armor passives? i prefer the armor passives.

skill balance:
The first thing that strikes me is the amount of damage moves and damage buffs you have. Drop flames of oblivion and you will be in good shape to put some more utility on your bar, i imagine you already have good crit? I wouldnt try to dps from bow personally, but that's up to you, I enjoy magnum shot, which combos with crit rush really well, and is a stun, and makes space. And use heavy attack over snipe myself. it is virtually the same damage and cast time with CP, and nice stamina returned. but that's all personal preference.

ultimate choices:
I use bow for range, and to annoy the enemy. So i would not use bats here. i would use dragons leap it has nice range and combos really well with the other skills

utility:
So far you have almost entirely stamina abilities and no magicka (but mist form which you only used to get away). This gives you options now in your spare slots. You should see you can actually slot 1 or 2 magicka moves and even use them reasonably frequently especially if you are using drinks over food. I myself found even as a stamina character i could use reflective scales enough to make it worth slotting on the bow bar. This is where you can try more heals with igneous, more mitigation with spiked armor, removing dots with purge, etc without vastly changing what you are use to but just adding more to it.

Yeah thanks for a run down on how u do things in pvp! I'll try modifying my build and see how it turns out!