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Do Champion Points Really Help Players Get More Powerful?
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Robo_Hobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Theyre just little buffs in my opinion, they might give someone an extra edge, but no matter how sharp a sword is, its useless without the skill to use it.
That said, I think people have a tendancy to give more credit to the effectiveness of champion points than is due; think about it - if someone dies in pvp, its easier to attribute their death to the champion points difference rather than the other players skill, because people often don't like accepting someone else is better than them. It's the same thing with classes - how many times do you see someone complaining another class (different than their own) is overpowered? How often do you see threada claiming a class is underpowered, when thats their own class? Its all about them finding an excuse as to why they were defeated - to avoid the most likely answer which is the other player was just more skillful (or lucky).
That kind of went off topic, but hopefully that helps.2 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »You get increased stats/other bonuses without any downside. How would this not make you stronger?
Well, really it comes down to player skill. It's not like a group of players that have many champion points, but are unskilled, are going to be better off than players who have few champion points, but are very skilled.
Tell me one thing. When you see someone on the top of the leader boards do you think that they must be skilled or do you think that they must have some small champion point advantage over other players. I mean, in a group of 12 people, so what if one of them has 1000 champion points - that one player couldn't make the raid a higher score just by themselves. Could they?
The point is that high CP and low skill means you're bad, but on a higher level. If you have two equally skilled groups and one has higher CP, this group will be better without question.
And as for the argument that you get much more from your gear than from your CP, you have to see the whole picture. More CP allows for OTHER gear choices, making you stronger than the person without this choice. For example, CP increase your sustain, lower your costs and increase healing/damage of your skills. You get much more effective, and since you don't have to get sustain from your gear anymore you can go for higher damage.
How anyone can see this as everything but a gain in power...
Do you think 25% max Magicka Regen and lower cost will help you sustain a fight for longer without Gear wich do the same?
Since CP increes % and not Flat numbers, it only push you in one direction,
Yea, players could just regear to have the same effect that crummy champion points would have. It isn't like the forgone set bonuses, forgone in order to have more sustain, would really make any difference when trying to complete any of this games content.0 -
Winterpsy✭✭✭NoIn PvP most often I die due to multiple enemies.
In duels due to making mistakes.
Only 1-2 times did I see anyone with god-like powers, bursting down my health with constant crit hitting. Then I realized it was a coldharbour ballista.
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Theyre just little buffs in my opinion, they might give someone an extra edge, but no matter how sharp a sword is, its useless without the skill to use it.
That said, I think people have a tendancy to give more credit to the effectiveness of champion points than is due; think about it - if someone dies in pvp, its easier to attribute their death to the champion points difference rather than the other players skill, because people often don't like accepting someone else is better than them. It's the same thing with classes - how many times do you see someone complaining another class (different than their own) is overpowered? How often do you see threada claiming a class is underpowered, when thats their own class? Its all about them finding an excuse as to why they were defeated - to avoid the most likely answer which is the other player was just more skillful (or lucky).
That kind of went off topic, but hopefully that helps.
That does help. Like I said earlier, one champion point only gave me a lousy 18 extra magic. These points aren't adding up that much.0 -
Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesThose who answered "no" do need to learn reading once again tho.
The question is "Do Champion Points Really Help Players Get More Powerful?", to which the answer is obviously yes since it gives you extra stats with absolutely no drawback at all.
The question is not "Do champion points are irrelevant or negligible compared to player skill?", and people answered to this one.
Not-so-subtle move from the OP to get massive acknowledgment for the forums that CP are breaking the balance, to which I'd say that "yes, they do", even if it's not as much as some people would love to hear it.
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Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesPersonofsecrets wrote: »I'm really hoping that you all can explain to me how champion points make a player more powerful. I just am not getting it.
Are you trolling ?3 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoPersonofsecrets wrote: »I'm really hoping that you all can explain to me how champion points make a player more powerful. I just am not getting it.
Are you trolling ?
It's more than obvious to me that he/she is.
Origin of this troll thread/poll is to be found here : forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2246933/#Comment_2246933
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on September 14, 2015 10:05AM1 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm really hoping that you all can explain to me how champion points make a player more powerful. I just am not getting it.
Are you trolling ?
Please do not attempt to derail the thread. We are having a real conversation here and name-calling will not push our dialogue any further.1 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »I'm really hoping that you all can explain to me how champion points make a player more powerful. I just am not getting it.
Are you trolling ?
It's more than obvious to me that he/she is.
Please, in future conversations, be considerate and inclusive of those who do not go by a 'he' or 'she' label.0 -
DerpyShadowz✭✭✭✭YesYour looking at a smaller picture of whats growing from the champion system.
I have 390 myself.
For example, Say there is a group of 12 players, competing for leaderboards, All 12 players have,
25% extra magic damage,
25% extra elemental damage,
25% extra crit damage/healing,
25% extra spell penetration,
25% extra damage on there basic attack weaving
ect ect ect, You get the picture.
Then compare this to a group of players, with only 100 points into 1 area of a single tree.
Regardless of skill, Both groups could be the EXACT same in terms of skill, gear setup, skill choices, but one will always have an overall much higher dps output and survivability, compared to the others, And this gets even more drastic when you compare skilled and un-skilled players alike.
This is also the case for pvp, Put 2 players, both equal in skill & gear. One has 1600 cp, one has 300cp. Of course there is a dis-advantage, One has overall higher base stats and damage output in every possible manner.
Stop looking at the little amounts of CP, and look at the overall bigger picture.
25% increases in all areas of damage, High Resource pools across the board, And for example, Lets take into account Magicka, You gain CP, you gain more magicka ect ect, over time this magicka is increased further by skills like inner light, bound armor, racial passives ect ect, Boosting your gains even further. Again look at the overall picture, and not just a single CP.
And sure, people will always argue the fact "Well its not my fault they dont play as much" And in some ways id agree with you for the most part, But this statement shouldn't be a reason or basis to argue the overall imbalance.
Edited by DerpyShadowz on September 14, 2015 10:07AMLurking in the shadows.4 -
RDMyers65b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesPersonofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »You get increased stats/other bonuses without any downside. How would this not make you stronger?
Well, really it comes down to player skill. It's not like a group of players that have many champion points, but are unskilled, are going to be better off than players who have few champion points, but are very skilled.
Tell me one thing. When you see someone on the top of the leader boards do you think that they must be skilled or do you think that they must have some small champion point advantage over other players. I mean, in a group of 12 people, so what if one of them has 1000 champion points - that one player couldn't make the raid a higher score just by themselves. Could they?
The point is that high CP and low skill means you're bad, but on a higher level. If you have two equally skilled groups and one has higher CP, this group will be better without question.
And as for the argument that you get much more from your gear than from your CP, you have to see the whole picture. More CP allows for OTHER gear choices, making you stronger than the person without this choice. For example, CP increase your sustain, lower your costs and increase healing/damage of your skills. You get much more effective, and since you don't have to get sustain from your gear anymore you can go for higher damage.
How anyone can see this as everything but a gain in power...
I think that I am starting to come around. Answer me this though.
Could this champion point "power gain" effect be seen in a group or raid? I mean, a dungeon like Veteran White Gold Tower is easy and I can't imagine that champion points could possibly make a difference for a group that is trying to complete it. It's not like 40 points into elemental defender is really going to protect a lesser skilled player against any of the bosses in that dungeons.
Very much so. If your tank is able to withstand one more hit or the healer is able to cast one more healing or your dps is able to do a little extra damage, your group will stay alive longer. I have seen as little as 1 hit make a difference. Let's say that you have 20000 health without CP and 21000 with CP. If the boss hits you for 20500,which one will survive? Same player in the same gear. The extra percentage helps. Even one point can make a difference.2 -
Winterpsy✭✭✭NoThose who answered "no" do need to learn reading once again tho.
The question is "Do Champion Points Really Help Players Get More Powerful?", to which the answer is obviously yes since it gives you extra stats with absolutely no drawback at all.
The question is not "Do champion points are irrelevant or negligible compared to player skill?", and people answered to this one.
Not-so-subtle move from the OP to get massive acknowledgment for the forums that CP are breaking the balance, to which I'd say that "yes, they do", even if it's not as much as some people would love to hear it.
Yes, the main factor is player skill. Do CPs help? Yes, they certainly do. Is something being done to solve the issue by ZoS? yes, it's already in the works. Will it solve the problem? We'll see.
My answer stands.
I read the question.
We have different definition on "more powerful".
To be more clear. I do not think that champion points will help you get more powerful.
It gives a small buff.
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I Highlander l wrote: »Your looking at a smaller picture of whats growing from the champion system.
I have 390 myself.
For example, Say there is a group of 12 players, competing for leaderboards, All 12 players have,
25% extra magic damage,
25% extra elemental damage,
25% extra crit damage/healing,
25% extra spell penetration,
25% extra damage on there basic attack weaving
ect ect ect, You get the picture.
Then compare this to a group of players, with only 100 points into 1 area of a single tree.
Regardless of skill, Both groups could be the EXACT same in terms of skill, gear setup, skill choices, but one will always have an overall much higher dps output and survivability, compared to the others, And this gets even more drastic when you compare skilled and un-skilled players alike.
This is also the case for pvp, Put 2 players, both equal in skill & gear. One has 1600 cp, one has 300cp. Of course there is a dis-advantage, One has overall higher base stats and damage output in every possible manner.
Stop looking at the little amounts of CP, and look at the overall bigger picture.
25% increases in all areas of damage, High Resource pools across the board, And for example, Lets take into account Magicka, You gain CP, you gain more magicka ect ect, over time this magicka is increased further by skills like inner light, bound armor, racial passives ect ect, Boosting your gains even further. Again look at the overall picture, and not just a single CP.
And sure, people will always argue the fact "Well its not my fault they dont play as much" And in some ways id agree with you for the most part, But this statement shouldn't be a reason or basis to argue the overall imbalance.
Thanks for posting. I think I understand now. You explained your points very well.0 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »You get increased stats/other bonuses without any downside. How would this not make you stronger?
Well, really it comes down to player skill. It's not like a group of players that have many champion points, but are unskilled, are going to be better off than players who have few champion points, but are very skilled.
Tell me one thing. When you see someone on the top of the leader boards do you think that they must be skilled or do you think that they must have some small champion point advantage over other players. I mean, in a group of 12 people, so what if one of them has 1000 champion points - that one player couldn't make the raid a higher score just by themselves. Could they?
The point is that high CP and low skill means you're bad, but on a higher level. If you have two equally skilled groups and one has higher CP, this group will be better without question.
And as for the argument that you get much more from your gear than from your CP, you have to see the whole picture. More CP allows for OTHER gear choices, making you stronger than the person without this choice. For example, CP increase your sustain, lower your costs and increase healing/damage of your skills. You get much more effective, and since you don't have to get sustain from your gear anymore you can go for higher damage.
How anyone can see this as everything but a gain in power...
I think that I am starting to come around. Answer me this though.
Could this champion point "power gain" effect be seen in a group or raid? I mean, a dungeon like Veteran White Gold Tower is easy and I can't imagine that champion points could possibly make a difference for a group that is trying to complete it. It's not like 40 points into elemental defender is really going to protect a lesser skilled player against any of the bosses in that dungeons.
Very much so. If your tank is able to withstand one more hit or the healer is able to cast one more healing or your dps is able to do a little extra damage, your group will stay alive longer. I have seen as little as 1 hit make a difference. Let's say that you have 20000 health without CP and 21000 with CP. If the boss hits you for 20500,which one will survive? Same player in the same gear. The extra percentage helps. Even one point can make a difference.
I can understand that. I really could go for some extra stamina on my tank now. I guess I will have to get a few hundred champion points. Maybe that champion point increase will help me be at a similar place as I was during 1.6 (2.0)0 -
r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YesPersonofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »You get increased stats/other bonuses without any downside. How would this not make you stronger?
Well, really it comes down to player skill. It's not like a group of players that have many champion points, but are unskilled, are going to be better off than players who have few champion points, but are very skilled.
Tell me one thing. When you see someone on the top of the leader boards do you think that they must be skilled or do you think that they must have some small champion point advantage over other players. I mean, in a group of 12 people, so what if one of them has 1000 champion points - that one player couldn't make the raid a higher score just by themselves. Could they?
The point is that high CP and low skill means you're bad, but on a higher level. If you have two equally skilled groups and one has higher CP, this group will be better without question.
And as for the argument that you get much more from your gear than from your CP, you have to see the whole picture. More CP allows for OTHER gear choices, making you stronger than the person without this choice. For example, CP increase your sustain, lower your costs and increase healing/damage of your skills. You get much more effective, and since you don't have to get sustain from your gear anymore you can go for higher damage.
How anyone can see this as everything but a gain in power...
I think that I am starting to come around. Answer me this though.
Could this champion point "power gain" effect be seen in a group or raid? I mean, a dungeon like Veteran White Gold Tower is easy and I can't imagine that champion points could possibly make a difference for a group that is trying to complete it. It's not like 40 points into elemental defender is really going to protect a lesser skilled player against any of the bosses in that dungeons.
Yes, it will make a difference. 40 points in Elemental Defender is like 13% less damage or so? It allows you to make more mistakes, if you wanna say so. While you take less damage, you deal more to the boss (fight is shorter) and your healer can heal you more often and for a higher amount.r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »You get increased stats/other bonuses without any downside. How would this not make you stronger?
Well, really it comes down to player skill. It's not like a group of players that have many champion points, but are unskilled, are going to be better off than players who have few champion points, but are very skilled.
Tell me one thing. When you see someone on the top of the leader boards do you think that they must be skilled or do you think that they must have some small champion point advantage over other players. I mean, in a group of 12 people, so what if one of them has 1000 champion points - that one player couldn't make the raid a higher score just by themselves. Could they?
The point is that high CP and low skill means you're bad, but on a higher level. If you have two equally skilled groups and one has higher CP, this group will be better without question.
And as for the argument that you get much more from your gear than from your CP, you have to see the whole picture. More CP allows for OTHER gear choices, making you stronger than the person without this choice. For example, CP increase your sustain, lower your costs and increase healing/damage of your skills. You get much more effective, and since you don't have to get sustain from your gear anymore you can go for higher damage.
How anyone can see this as everything but a gain in power...
Do you think 25% max Magicka Regen and lower cost will help you sustain a fight for longer without Gear wich do the same?
Since CP increes % and not Flat numbers, it only push you in one direction,
Of course it helps you to sustain longer. The thing is you only need a certain level of sustain - so that you can last the entire fight. And CP helps you to get there, and everything else can then be dumped into damage. Which would not be possible without those CP.Lairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »You get increased stats/other bonuses without any downside. How would this not make you stronger?
Well, really it comes down to player skill. It's not like a group of players that have many champion points, but are unskilled, are going to be better off than players who have few champion points, but are very skilled.
Tell me one thing. When you see someone on the top of the leader boards do you think that they must be skilled or do you think that they must have some small champion point advantage over other players. I mean, in a group of 12 people, so what if one of them has 1000 champion points - that one player couldn't make the raid a higher score just by themselves. Could they?
The point is that high CP and low skill means you're bad, but on a higher level. If you have two equally skilled groups and one has higher CP, this group will be better without question.
And as for the argument that you get much more from your gear than from your CP, you have to see the whole picture. More CP allows for OTHER gear choices, making you stronger than the person without this choice. For example, CP increase your sustain, lower your costs and increase healing/damage of your skills. You get much more effective, and since you don't have to get sustain from your gear anymore you can go for higher damage.
How anyone can see this as everything but a gain in power...
I think that I am starting to come around. Answer me this though.
Could this champion point "power gain" effect be seen in a group or raid? I mean, a dungeon like Veteran White Gold Tower is easy and I can't imagine that champion points could possibly make a difference for a group that is trying to complete it. It's not like 40 points into elemental defender is really going to protect a lesser skilled player against any of the bosses in that dungeons.
Yes, it will make a difference. 40 points in Elemental Defender is like 13% less damage or so? It allows you to make more mistakes, if you wanna say so. While you take less damage, you deal more to the boss (fight is shorter) and your healer can heal you more often and for a higher amount.r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »You get increased stats/other bonuses without any downside. How would this not make you stronger?
Well, really it comes down to player skill. It's not like a group of players that have many champion points, but are unskilled, are going to be better off than players who have few champion points, but are very skilled.
Tell me one thing. When you see someone on the top of the leader boards do you think that they must be skilled or do you think that they must have some small champion point advantage over other players. I mean, in a group of 12 people, so what if one of them has 1000 champion points - that one player couldn't make the raid a higher score just by themselves. Could they?
The point is that high CP and low skill means you're bad, but on a higher level. If you have two equally skilled groups and one has higher CP, this group will be better without question.
And as for the argument that you get much more from your gear than from your CP, you have to see the whole picture. More CP allows for OTHER gear choices, making you stronger than the person without this choice. For example, CP increase your sustain, lower your costs and increase healing/damage of your skills. You get much more effective, and since you don't have to get sustain from your gear anymore you can go for higher damage.
How anyone can see this as everything but a gain in power...
Do you think 25% max Magicka Regen and lower cost will help you sustain a fight for longer without Gear wich do the same?
Since CP increes % and not Flat numbers, it only push you in one direction,
Of course it helps you to sustain longer. The thing is you only need a certain level of sustain - so that you can last the entire fight. And CP helps you to get there, and everything else can then be dumped into damage. Which would not be possible without those CP.
Yea, you are right. I really could use some elemental defender points. Hmm...0 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI'm noticing a huge difference, if I compare now(over 400+ CP) with before(below 100 CP).
You can also remove all your hundreds of Champion Points and play without for a day, if you think skill is the only factor.
There's a reasons ZoS is implementing a catch up system and a cap. It ain't because noobs are crying hard on the forum. It's to avoid large power gaps between players. We already have both level and gear disparity(like in any MMO), but with the CP
inequality as well, some new players have no chance.
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Faugaun✭✭✭✭✭YesOp I suggest you check some of the graphs here:
http://asolutionaday.com/calculators-index/
The Defile star has the least diminishing returns you can see in it that you get 32% improvement from its buff.
http://asolutionaday.com/elder-scrolls-calculators/thief/shadow/defile-star-calculator/
A player doing something better (statswise) than another player of equal skill will always win more at that task. This is why a 30% buff is a huge advantage.My new startup social network for Theorycrafting
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AlcastClass RepresentativeYesPeople that think ChampionP do not have an effect on power are 100% fully r........
25% Inc dmg
25% Inc Crit dmg
25% more Penetration
25 % Inc Regen
15% reduced skillcost
25% blockcost reduction
25% Rolldoge cost reduction
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AtmaDarkwolf✭✭✭Yesum. those who said no are answering the question 'do cp points make one a better player?''
They do not. But that was not the question.
The answer is yes, without a doubt, hands down, even if you were to add points willy-nilly, you would 'gain' health, stamina, magicka, reduced costs, more damage, etc etc.
Its the same (to a lesser and somewhat limited degree) to leveling up. No matter how you look at it, math do not lie folks, 1+1 is bigger than 1, 2+1 is bigger than 2, and so on. Look it up if u do not believe me :P
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dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes25% more damahe is a pretty big step up. add in the fact if you have 600cp you can also max out a penetration ability and it basically becomes something like 40% bonus damage. thats pretty bigPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesIf your already a skilled player and well geared throw cp's in on top of it and yes you are more powerful than some one who has less cp's but where is the point of division how many cp's difference do you need to see the difference.0 -
myrrrorb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YesThere is already a lot of good comments on this, so I will be short in my reply.
Yes it makes you more powerful. Its pretty small increases, but they add up to make a difference.
The unlockable passives are fairly powerful.
It is not an "I win" button. No matter how points you have it won't make an unskilled player beat a skilled one.
It can make good players a lot better and will help all players in PvE. How much depends on the player.1 -
Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭YesThose who answered "no" do need to learn reading once again tho.
The question is "Do Champion Points Really Help Players Get More Powerful?", to which the answer is obviously yes since it gives you extra stats with absolutely no drawback at all.
The question is not "Do champion points are irrelevant or negligible compared to player skill?", and people answered to this one.
Not-so-subtle move from the OP to get massive acknowledgment for the forums that CP are breaking the balance, to which I'd say that "yes, they do", even if it's not as much as some people would love to hear it.
Yes, the main factor is player skill. Do CPs help? Yes, they certainly do. Is something being done to solve the issue by ZoS? yes, it's already in the works. Will it solve the problem? We'll see.
This...and yes...when I read the TOs posts here, he asked the wrong question.
Do increase CP power ? of course they do.
How would you rate the power increase ? negligible, moderate, average, strong ? ...arguable imho. I would vote for moderate.
Even a skillfull (which means having a good knowledge of gear and skill setups and synergies and game mechanics and being able to push the right buttons at the right time) player might make mistakes, we alle do mistakes, or better do encounter a situation where we just need to decide how to act and mostly pretty fast and the raw stat/power increase in CPs might just give someone the edge to master that situation, be it surviving in PvE or PvP or helping somebody else to survive (who actually made the mistake or took a too high risk).
Edited by Flameheart on September 14, 2015 12:04PMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
Selissi - CP 1k+ Redguard Stamina Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Silmerel - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Templar (Ebonheart Pact)
Sunja - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Suldreni - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight (Ebonheart Pact)
Sulhelka - CP 1k+ Altmer Magicka Sorcerer (Ebonheart Pact)
Sylundine - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Warden (Ebonheart Pact)0 -
Kronosphere✭✭✭✭NoPersonofsecrets wrote: »I'm having a hard time understanding the effects of champion points. I'm told that my stats, regeneration, and penetration will all go up if I invest champion points into certain specifications.
I really don't understand how that happens though. Is it really true that I will be more powerful with more champion points? Becoming more powerful due to have more champion points would have tons of repercussions. I mean, I would be doing more damage, doing more healing, and taking less damage. I just have a hard time accepting that.
what are you doing person? lol ya funny bugger =P
the serious answers im reading are.. painful at best o.oEdited by Kronosphere on September 14, 2015 12:11PM~House Indoril~
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Kronosphere✭✭✭✭No..and nope champ points have no effect on anything as we all know they are all probs bugged to not apply anyway? =DEdited by Kronosphere on September 14, 2015 12:09PM~House Indoril~
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Mitchblue✭✭✭✭I don't know much about CP but 12% additional crit seems better than 0% additional crit.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?2
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IKilled007✭✭✭✭Passive-aggressive OP is passive-aggressive; he thinks ooOO(Maybe I can use psychological tactics to get ZOS to "fix" the game how I want!)
Result: 3/10 -- FAIL, and Trying Too Hard.Edited by IKilled007 on September 14, 2015 1:02PMThe only substitute for victory is overkill.1
