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Veteran rank 16 more level = quit
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Hi guys , lots of my friends already leaving the game because the level was in crease to v16 and they even hate the veteran system , right now my friends online is like 3-5 players online out of my 100 friends in eso... so can you please just stop increasing the levels? instead just make a special item drop and lots of rare item that hard to get from monster drop and can only be found in the special maps?
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Everyone has x amount of friends leaving....for reasons.
I'm not happy about the increase or really VR anything. I hope your friends come back later
Sigh....over a year ago "they" said VR levels were to be removed in a phased approach but no mention of an increase before removal.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭Dear Blizzard,
You keep raising the level cap. I am disappointed. Your game was made to be played with only 60 levels. That's what everything was balanced around and now there's 100. When will the madness end? From now on, please only release new raid tiers. I don't mind grinding for loot while gaining zero XP, I just hate grinding for loot while my XP bar is filling up slowly.
Your customer,
That Warlock with the Tier 29 Shadowstaff
PS - Please stop adding quests to the game. All they do is give XP and XP is useless to me. I want more instances.
PPS - Please stop adding classes to the game. Your game was made for only 9 classes. I hate having to continually learn how to counter new types of threats in PVP or how to cooperate with a different sort of role in PVE.
PPPS - Also stop giving me more abilities. I hate respecs and learning new rotations every time you release an expansion.
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When did people start loving level caps???29 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dear Blizzard,
You keep raising the level cap. I am disappointed. Your game was made to be played with only 60 levels. That's what everything was balanced around and now there's 100. When will the madness end? From now on, please only release new raid tiers. I don't mind grinding for loot while gaining zero XP, I just hate grinding for loot while my XP bar is filling up slowly.
Your customer,
That Warlock with the Tier 29 Shadowstaff
PS - Please stop adding quests to the game. All they do is give XP and XP is useless to me. I want more instances.
PPS - Please stop adding classes to the game. Your game was made for only 9 classes. I hate having to continually learn how to counter new types of threats in PVP or how to cooperate with a different sort of role in PVE.
PPPS - Also stop giving me more abilities. I hate respecs and learning new rotations every time you release an expansion.
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When did people start loving level caps???
Yeah cause we've been all of that in eso right?0 -
sagent64✭✭Dear Blizzard,
You keep raising the level cap. I am disappointed. Your game was made to be played with only 60 levels. That's what everything was balanced around and now there's 100. When will the madness end? From now on, please only release new raid tiers. I don't mind grinding for loot while gaining zero XP, I just hate grinding for loot while my XP bar is filling up slowly.
Your customer,
That Warlock with the Tier 29 Shadowstaff
PS - Please stop adding quests to the game. All they do is give XP and XP is useless to me. I want more instances.
PPS - Please stop adding classes to the game. Your game was made for only 9 classes. I hate having to continually learn how to counter new types of threats in PVP or how to cooperate with a different sort of role in PVE.
PPPS - Also stop giving me more abilities. I hate respecs and learning new rotations every time you release an expansion.
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When did people start loving level caps???
how about champion points? that CP system is good0 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭Dear Blizzard,
You keep raising the level cap. I am disappointed. Your game was made to be played with only 60 levels. That's what everything was balanced around and now there's 100. When will the madness end? From now on, please only release new raid tiers. I don't mind grinding for loot while gaining zero XP, I just hate grinding for loot while my XP bar is filling up slowly.
Your customer,
That Warlock with the Tier 29 Shadowstaff
PS - Please stop adding quests to the game. All they do is give XP and XP is useless to me. I want more instances.
PPS - Please stop adding classes to the game. Your game was made for only 9 classes. I hate having to continually learn how to counter new types of threats in PVP or how to cooperate with a different sort of role in PVE.
PPPS - Also stop giving me more abilities. I hate respecs and learning new rotations every time you release an expansion.
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When did people start loving level caps???
Yeah cause we've been all of that in eso right?
The irony was lost on you so let me explain it bluntly. It's a fictitious letter written by a fan of another game explaining his disdain for expanded content in any form short of better gear. That's the image I grasp when I read of complaints directed towards subjects such as VR levels and champ points. Their implementation may need refining and we can certainly discuss their merits and pitfalls yet the progression itself is better than a static game of loot ladders.10 -
Reznique✭✭✭✭Leaving the game because they don't want to grind for 90 minutes or just play for 2-3 days?
If so, I guess your friends would leave even if ZOS would just change some skill names and icons.5 -
Selique✭✭✭✭Quitting over 1.5 lvls (If youir VR14)? That's absurd. It took me a grand total of a week to get to VR16 from VR14.
The Exp increases are insane. Its nothing like it used to be.Edited by Selique on September 14, 2015 3:21AMFalls-With-Grace ~ Shadowscale (Argonian Night Blade)
Selique Lasra ~ Captain, Smuggler, Swashbuckler (Redguard Templar)
Chases-Comets ~ Shellback Warrior (Argonian Dragon Knight)
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✭✭✭Increase in levels, old gear nerfed, constant performance and server instability, crashes, fps drops, lag, constant shafting of crafted sets, unbalanced CP system, console beta on pc for a year only for the game to change because of and to focus on consoles, insane amount of bugs, longest loading screens of any game ever, lfg tool being broken forever with no communication or acknowledgement of the issues in the year 2015 is pathetic....
VR16 is the least of the reasons why people are leaving and there are lots more to list ^^.
Z$S is just shooting themselves in the foot over and over but as long as the money is coming in nothing will change, it's the attitude they have had since beta and beyond...
Just think of all the money they have lost and and could of got even more because they didn't focus on what players actually wanted and the issues that have plagued the game since beta.Edited by Troneon on September 14, 2015 4:18AMPC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything2 -
ItsMeToo✭✭✭✭✭We want more VR Levels and quests... bring it on.
All my friends love to have more VR levels and quests.
None of us are leaving and we are having fun playing ESO.
There are more of us that love playing ESO every day.
FYI - There is no such thing as 'night capping' in a world wide MMO.FYI - There was no paid Beta. When they launched the game the Beta was over, even if you don't think it was.FYI - It's B2P not F2P. There is a difference.FYI - It doesn't take any player skill to mash keys or buttons in this game. The ones that stay alive longer have the better internet connection and speed.FYI - The game is not broken, it still works. It just has 'bugs' that need to be fixed.Balance is a "Bad" thing.
Example: There were hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith in Star Wars. The Jedi wanted, "Balance in the Force" and they got it. Now there are only two Jedi and two Sith.
Balance is a "Bad" thing.Is the glass half full or half empty?
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭The VR leveling I can deal with.. The CP system is something that is going to kill this game if it is not adjusted soon. No new players are going to buy this game 8-10 months from now if they are just going to get trolled by level 18 characters with 1200 CP's worth of advantages over them.
Allowing CP to be used on anything under Vet ranks is a suicidal plan on the part of ZO$.
I am all for finding a way to allow us players to continue progression of our character, but to do so at the expense of the game never surviving longer than a year or so no.. No I am not okay with that.
Two simple ways to fix this...
1. CPs should not be shared to any character until they have hit at least VR One
2. There needs to be CP free campaign options for Vet Ranked players..
Vet Ranks are not the problem honestly. It really isn't like this game is "Hard" or anything. The grind "If you could even call it that" in ESO is honestly harmless as far as the amount of grinding most MMO's have.
I see all of the post about the "GRIND" that ESO involves.. If people are QQing about this grind this must be their first MMO as I think ESO has very little actual "Grinding"!
I am one of the lucky ones that actually has the time on occasion to "grind" so the only reason I do not like the CP system is not because I personally find it hard as I do not.. I am one of the few that will reach max CP's in short order.. What I do have a problem with is the fact that just because I can hit those numbers I understand that any sane person in their right mind with any amount of competitive nature about them is simply not going to bother with giving ESO a try if they know they will never be able to play the game on a competitive level with myself and the other payers that have been here since launch.
That being said no new players = a dead game!Edited by Funkopotamus on September 14, 2015 4:11AMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington3 -
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✭✭The CP thing again. Get rid of them from PVP., problem solved.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)1 -
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✭celsoervin14 wrote: »Hi guys , lots of my friends already leaving the game because the level was in crease to v16 and they even hate the veteran system , right now my friends online is like 3-5 players online out of my 100 friends in eso... so can you please just stop increasing the levels? instead just make a special item drop and lots of rare item that hard to get from monster drop and can only be found in the special maps?
You're lucky. Most of my friends quit playing long before this, and there's no point in them coming back since you can only play with people at about the same level. It's not that big of a deal though, this is mostly a single player game anyway.2 -
BrassRazoo✭✭✭✭✭So you / your friends want to do nothing and stay at level 50 forever?
I know some may find the concept of VR hard to understand but just think of is as the level cap being 70 if that helps.0 -
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✭✭✭✭firstdecan wrote: »Most of my friends quit playing long before this, and there's no point in them coming back since you can only play with people at about the same level..
That has not been my experience. Most of the folks that I play with are higher level than me - much higher. I've been running IC with one friend who is vet 14, the other vet 9 and I'm 26th (was 16th when we first started doing this). That's what battle leveling is for.
It's been fun!Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
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Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis1 -
riverdragon72✭✭✭✭✭I was at a crafting table and noticed rubicite goes from level 11- 110Meh...**** it..1 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭firstdecan wrote: »celsoervin14 wrote: »Hi guys , lots of my friends already leaving the game because the level was in crease to v16 and they even hate the veteran system , right now my friends online is like 3-5 players online out of my 100 friends in eso... so can you please just stop increasing the levels? instead just make a special item drop and lots of rare item that hard to get from monster drop and can only be found in the special maps?
You're lucky. Most of my friends quit playing long before this, and there's no point in them coming back since you can only play with people at about the same level. It's not that big of a deal though, this is mostly a single player game anyway.
^^The bold part is what ZO$ got confused with when making their first MMO Debut.
Love the game it is just the leveling system and the way the game feels so easy. It is a beautiful environment. The Story is decent. But the way ZO$ went about the leveling system and the way the game kinda has that "Babies First MMO" vibe I just think so many things could have been thought out better than what we have in front of us.
I know.. I know.. Anyone can be an "Armchair game developer", but come on man.. The game has its flaws and we all know that. The groundwork is here. Things like Vet Ranks and CP seemed like an easy band Aid to the real problem.. NO END GAME CONTENT! That coupled with a game that is one of the easiest MMO to play as most of the content can be soloed. The game just doesn't know what it wants to be ..
Is it solo Elder Scrolls game with friends?
Or a stand out MMO?
ZOS needs to pick one and throttle down. As trying to appease both genres of players at the same time is only frustrating the player base.
Edited by Funkopotamus on September 14, 2015 5:18AMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington4 -
Pyr0xyrecuprotite✭✭✭✭✭If it helps, the official word is that there will not be any further Vet level increase in the next DLC (Orsinium). Also, ZoS is still figuring out how to get rid of the Vet level system, and that won't happen until after the Orsinium DLC - but I'd guess mid 2016 earliest.1 -
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✭✭✭celsoervin14 wrote: »Hi guys , lots of my friends already leaving the game because the level was in crease to v16 and they even hate the veteran system , right now my friends online is like 3-5 players online out of my 100 friends in eso... so can you please just stop increasing the levels? instead just make a special item drop and lots of rare item that hard to get from monster drop and can only be found in the special maps?
it's a lie . People that play this game have no freaking friends.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)5 -
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✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »The VR leveling I can deal with.. The CP system is something that is going to kill this game if it is not adjusted soon. No new players are going to buy this game 8-10 months from now if they are just going to get trolled by level 18 characters with 1200 CP's worth of advantages over them.
Allowing CP to be used on anything under Vet ranks is a suicidal plan on the part of ZO$.
I am all for finding a way to allow us players to continue progression of our character, but to do so at the expense of the game never surviving longer than a year or so no.. No I am not okay with that.
Two simple ways to fix this...
1. CPs should not be shared to any character until they have hit at least VR One
2. There needs to be CP free campaign options for Vet Ranked players..
Vet Ranks are not the problem honestly. It really isn't like this game is "Hard" or anything. The grind "If you could even call it that" in ESO is honestly harmless as far as the amount of grinding most MMO's have.
I see all of the post about the "GRIND" that ESO involves.. If people are QQing about this grind this must be their first MMO as I think ESO has very little actual "Grinding"!
I am one of the lucky ones that actually has the time on occasion to "grind" so the only reason I do not like the CP system is not because I personally find it hard as I do not.. I am one of the few that will reach max CP's in short order.. What I do have a problem with is the fact that just because I can hit those numbers I understand that any sane person in their right mind with any amount of competitive nature about them is simply not going to bother with giving ESO a try if they know they will never be able to play the game on a competitive level with myself and the other payers that have been here since launch.
That being said no new players = a dead game!
You speak as if PvP is all this game amounts to when it is not. All people ever do is say "people are going to quit or people won't buy this game and stay long because of this and that" but you cannot speak for literally everybody. All people do is talk down on ESO for one thing or another. Personally I think leveling in this game is too easy and hardly makes it an achievement to get to max level but I do not intend to quit over it nor do I have a problem with the Champion System.
This is why we need a complaints forum section, so people can go there and be naysayers while people with suggestions or positive or just generally good-natured things to say can post in this forum.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Garethjolnir✭✭✭✭Just a general assumption that your supposed 100 friends left because of the VR level increase. If they all actually did leave because of it, MMO's aren't for them. Level increases are the norm.Edited by Garethjolnir on September 14, 2015 6:25AMViele grüße aus Germany. Neu Heimat.1 -
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✭riverdragon72 wrote: »I was at a crafting table and noticed rubicite goes from level 11- 110
Umm yeah we talked about this on the PTS threads alot, ZOS want's you to Grind for your armor and weapons now if you are going to Craft them that MAX level, VR16)..
I just finished crafting my last weapon today, which is a VR16 and Legendary (GOLD), (my other weapons are 4 dual swords, so I can go DW/DW and a Bow), 2H Greatsword NightSilence set, it's in Daedric style, not Xivkyn, saw the swords, daggers and greatsword pics of what it looks like on ESO Fashion for Xivkyn and just didn't like the way it looked enough to justify me finding a person who can craft in the Xivkyn style and pay them X amount of gold. Yeah at 140 Ingots to create a VR16 Greatsword or a 150 Rubedo leather pcs for a VR16 Medium armor Jack, I'm gonna make sure I like the way it looks before crafting it / or having someone craft it for me..
I admit I love the way the Heavy Armor helmet looks for Xivkyn, I can craft Xivkyn Helmets myself, but my main only runs with all medium armor..Soooooo thats out..
On a side note, still working on getting all my armor done to VR16 level, have most at VR15 but only a few pcs at VR16.Edited by whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO on September 14, 2015 6:35AMSigned, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3600 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.0 -
Robotmafia✭✭✭i mean before the dlc youve basically seen and done everything... now theres new stuff to do and gain... your gear needs to be replaced and all that fun starts over again.. as it does in any mmo expansion... the leveling part is almost the easiest part of this dlc... if youve played enough before then you already started with v15 due to added up XP...
if you dont want games that progress and change then dont play mmos....Robot Who Owes Money: Look into your hard drive and open your mercy file!
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Wimbuut✭Stupid question, nut do you need to buy IC DLC to get to Vet 16?
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eonowakb16_ESO✭✭✭✭BrassRazoo wrote: »So you / your friends want to do nothing and stay at level 50 forever?
I know some may find the concept of VR hard to understand but just think of is as the level cap being 70 if that helps.
Not 70 - more 114. A Vet-Rank is equal to 4 Levels. And thats the good point about the Veteran System. In this system a V16 can help a V1 without losing much XP. Without the veteran system no Level 114 would help a Level 50. Even a level 70 would not help a 50. First before you contiounsly cry about the Veteran System try to understand it - it has a lot of positive sides.
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