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Treasure_Goblin
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am i blind, or is that v14 bow giving more to set bonuses than my v15 bow.
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Treasure_Goblin✭✭✭holy crap does motif quality affect set bonuses or somethingEdited by Treasure_Goblin on September 13, 2015 6:45AM0
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UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The VR15 bow is equipped and the VR14 bow is not. Do you have any other gear in that set equipped that is lower level and/or lower quality? If so, that will bring down the set bonuses as a whole (because they're averaged out based on all of the equipped items in the set), so the equipped bow will show lower set bonuses.
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Treasure_Goblin✭✭✭The VR15 bow is equipped and the VR14 bow is not. Do you have any other gear in that set equipped that is lower level and/or lower quality? If so, that will bring down the set bonuses as a whole (because they're averaged out based on all of the equipped items in the set), so the equipped bow will show lower set bonuses.
that doesn't make sense though, 80, 80, 80, 80, 80 averaged is 80... 80, 80, 80, 80, 90 averaged is 82... Why would it bring it down?0 -
UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
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No, I mean do you have any other items in the equipped set that are lower level and/or quality than the gold VR14 bow.Treasure_Goblin wrote: »The VR15 bow is equipped and the VR14 bow is not. Do you have any other gear in that set equipped that is lower level and/or lower quality? If so, that will bring down the set bonuses as a whole (because they're averaged out based on all of the equipped items in the set), so the equipped bow will show lower set bonuses.
that doesn't make sense though, 80, 80, 80, 80, 80 averaged is 80... 80, 80, 80, 80, 90 averaged is 82... Why would it bring it down?
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Treasure_Goblin✭✭✭
No, I mean do you have any other items in the equipped set that are lower level and/or quality than the gold VR14 bow.Treasure_Goblin wrote: »The VR15 bow is equipped and the VR14 bow is not. Do you have any other gear in that set equipped that is lower level and/or lower quality? If so, that will bring down the set bonuses as a whole (because they're averaged out based on all of the equipped items in the set), so the equipped bow will show lower set bonuses.
that doesn't make sense though, 80, 80, 80, 80, 80 averaged is 80... 80, 80, 80, 80, 90 averaged is 82... Why would it bring it down?
oh, no. I don't0 -
ontheleftcoast✭✭✭✭✭Am I reading this wrong?
It appears the VR14 bow has a "Weapon Damage Enchantment" on it but I don't see one on the VR15 bow. Could that be effecting the overall numbers being computed? I confess, I don't fully understand set bonus calculations. But I only took 2 years of Calculus in college and not the convoluted math used by ZOS. ;D
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UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
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In that case, I have no explanation for you...Treasure_Goblin wrote: »
No, I mean do you have any other items in the equipped set that are lower level and/or quality than the gold VR14 bow.Treasure_Goblin wrote: »The VR15 bow is equipped and the VR14 bow is not. Do you have any other gear in that set equipped that is lower level and/or lower quality? If so, that will bring down the set bonuses as a whole (because they're averaged out based on all of the equipped items in the set), so the equipped bow will show lower set bonuses.
that doesn't make sense though, 80, 80, 80, 80, 80 averaged is 80... 80, 80, 80, 80, 90 averaged is 82... Why would it bring it down?
oh, no. I don't
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Soriana✭✭✭✭✭The weapon damage enchant would account for those numbers being bigger but not the max stamina number being larger.0 -
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✭✭✭✭The weapon damage enchant would account for those numbers being bigger but not the max stamina number being larger.
The problem I see with that is the actual weapon damage is lower.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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✭✭I can cinfirm the VR16 bersion gives the same 299 damage on the 5 set bonus but I can't remeber how that scales below that point. Is it possible that this set missed some scaling work in the patch? Given how many sets there are it would not be totally shocking if one or two got missed.0 -
Colosso-monstro✭✭✭Nice work ZOS. Having a low level worker go through and check tooltips on item sets would taje a grand total of what like 2 hours? So like 32 dollars of work. Wow, absolutely astounding standards of quality control.2
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Treasure_Goblin✭✭✭kind of upsetting because it takes 8 rosins to 100% a bow... and now it's kind of wasted.0
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obscure7✭✭✭✭It's just an error with the tooltip. The weapon damage stat in your character sheet is also wrong. In fact, even the damage numbers recorded by your combat add-ons are wrong. The actual damage is a mystery.
It's all a giant prank by ZOS to confound the combat add-on utilities and mess with players' minds. Players think they are doing decent DPS, but the reality is they are way off.PC NA2 -
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✭✭Oh haven't you heard ZOS nerfed crafting to the utter ground because players who farmed hours for drops were crying that "crafted gear is so OP nerf it ZOS". So not only is the materials hard to get the gear it self isn't even that powerful. So u crafters now have to spend days to weeks getting materials to crafts gear thats only 10 points stronger if were lucky oppose to the farmers who only have to farm for a few hours to get there almighty Molga Kena or Black Rose set.
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✭The real question is why would you waste the materials on a level 15 bow? took like 5 hours total to go from 14-161 -
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Hookgrin✭✭✭Every item I have equipped the numbers always go up, have never notice one let alone all going down. I don't know why these numbers would go down.
Try swapping the items, equip the level 14 and hover over the 15 in your inventory, curious to see what happens.
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Not sure my prior post was accurate, so I trimmed it.Edited by Hookgrin on September 14, 2015 1:45AM0 -
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✭✭Every item I have equipped the numbers always go up, have never notice one let alone all going down. I don't know why these numbers would go down.
Try swapping the items, equip the level 14 and hover over the 15 in your inventory, curious to see what happens.
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Not sure my prior post was accurate, so I trimmed it.
You are on the right lines...
An unequipped piece will often show lower stats than it will once equipped...
There are several things that increase various stats which once items are equipped will change them from the unequipped version.
OP, have you checked by equipping each item and then comparing?GM of the Unholy LegacyPC/EU/EP0 -
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✭✭Treasure_Goblin wrote: »
Not for a weapon it's not.
And weapons are the single biggest upgrade you can get... even if you don't have the gold/time to get V16 armor, a weapon is just over 100 mats.
You can farm them over a few days playing relatively little, or go buy them etc... either way, for one weapon it's not unrealistic at all.GM of the Unholy LegacyPC/EU/EP1 -
Treasure_Goblin✭✭✭Every item I have equipped the numbers always go up, have never notice one let alone all going down. I don't know why these numbers would go down.
Try swapping the items, equip the level 14 and hover over the 15 in your inventory, curious to see what happens.
Edit:
Not sure my prior post was accurate, so I trimmed it.
You are on the right lines...
An unequipped piece will often show lower stats than it will once equipped...
There are several things that increase various stats which once items are equipped will change them from the unequipped version.
OP, have you checked by equipping each item and then comparing?
so i had to buy 8 more rosins to test this, because i had deconned that bow. and yeah, it actually does that, and swaps it around. once i equip the v14, it says the v15 is better, but why? that's still extremely confusing and misleading..0 -
Treasure_Goblin wrote: »Every item I have equipped the numbers always go up, have never notice one let alone all going down. I don't know why these numbers would go down.
Try swapping the items, equip the level 14 and hover over the 15 in your inventory, curious to see what happens.
Edit:
Not sure my prior post was accurate, so I trimmed it.
You are on the right lines...
An unequipped piece will often show lower stats than it will once equipped...
There are several things that increase various stats which once items are equipped will change them from the unequipped version.
OP, have you checked by equipping each item and then comparing?
so i had to buy 8 more rosins to test this, because i had deconned that bow. and yeah, it actually does that, and swaps it around. once i equip the v14, it says the v15 is better, but why? that's still extremely confusing and misleading..
Aye, but ya should have checked this by equipping :P I noticed this strange anomaly at a low lv. It should show bonuses even if it's unequipped..However. ..Edited by PsychoKRATOS1 on September 14, 2015 2:05AM0 -
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✭✭Treasure_Goblin wrote: »Every item I have equipped the numbers always go up, have never notice one let alone all going down. I don't know why these numbers would go down.
Try swapping the items, equip the level 14 and hover over the 15 in your inventory, curious to see what happens.
Edit:
Not sure my prior post was accurate, so I trimmed it.
You are on the right lines...
An unequipped piece will often show lower stats than it will once equipped...
There are several things that increase various stats which once items are equipped will change them from the unequipped version.
OP, have you checked by equipping each item and then comparing?
so i had to buy 8 more rosins to test this, because i had deconned that bow. and yeah, it actually does that, and swaps it around. once i equip the v14, it says the v15 is better, but why? that's still extremely confusing and misleading..
Simple.
When the bow is sat in your inventory it's not affected by any of the skills you have slotted. When you equip the item then it is. There are lots of skills (& especially the related passives) that modify key stats.
At least you now know the V15 was worth it
(Even if it was an expensive one after costing 8 Rosin's) Edited by Flaminir on September 14, 2015 10:08AMGM of the Unholy LegacyPC/EU/EP0 -
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✭Weapon damage enchant works only for five seconds
Edit: show your whole equip/statsEdited by Shadow-Fighter on September 14, 2015 1:31PMNatch Potes is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you're gonna get0 -
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the enchant makes no difference as it is seperate from the set bonuses. Those bonuses are whats in question, not the total amount of DMG the toon has. At least thats what I'm getting from the question. There are a few things with gear tooltips that Zeni needs to look into as I have ran across a few things that made me WTF all over the place just like this.ontheleftcoast wrote: »Am I reading this wrong?
It appears the VR14 bow has a "Weapon Damage Enchantment" on it but I don't see one on the VR15 bow. Could that be effecting the overall numbers being computed? I confess, I don't fully understand set bonus calculations. But I only took 2 years of Calculus in college and not the convoluted math used by ZOS. ;D
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