Swapping ability bars, losing 10% HP

LEGENDARYYY · September 2015

Using 5x armor master set - head, greaves, hands, belt, shield
3x deaths wind - 1 handed, chest, sabatons

I have the exact same max HP on both swaps.

Allthough, when I swap bars I lose 10% HP. I don't lose max HP, it just drains my HP and then has to regen it.

Screenie:

link: http://postimg.org/image/gsg9p44tf/

My theory why this is happening is because while swapping, both my set passives are getting disabled and then re-activated. This is because I use both sets on my weapon and shield which I'm swapping between.

But, this cannot be at all intentional ZOS?

Must be a bug. 10% is a LOT of hp.

SirAndy · September 2015

The image doesn't load for me ...

Resipsa131 · September 2015

Are you losing a slotted ability such as Structure Entropy that adds max health? Your screen shot isn't loading so I cant tell.

LEGENDARYYY · September 2015

Resipsa131 wrote: »

Are you losing a slotted ability such as Structure Entropy that adds max health? Your screen shot isn't loading so I cant tell.

No, I'm telling you the max HP is exactly the same on both swaps.

It goes down to 90% health and then has to regen. It's leeching my HP when I swap.

UrQuan · September 2015

I'm still getting a little confused about which icons represent which active abilities (what with the changes to some of the icons with this patch), but what skill is that in your #1 slot? Is it by any chance a new icon for Structured Entropy? If so, that may be the culprit. I've noticed that when I have Structured Entropy slotted, when swapping from one bar to another I lose the additional health that it grants me, and it has to regenerate back to the max.

Bfish22090 · September 2015

Structured entropy or another set/skill that increases max health on 1 bar but not the other

LEGENDARYYY · September 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

I'm still getting a little confused about which icons represent which active abilities (what with the changes to some of the icons with this patch), but what skill is that in your #1 slot? Is it by any chance a new icon for Structured Entropy? If so, that may be the culprit. I've noticed that when I have Structured Entropy slotted, when swapping from one bar to another I lose the additional health that it grants me, and it has to regenerate back to the max.

harness magicka

LEGENDARYYY · September 2015

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Structured entropy or another set/skill that increases max health on 1 bar but not the other

Nope

I use harness magicka on both bars for the armor master passive so that HP should be equal too.

UrQuan · September 2015

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I'm still getting a little confused about which icons represent which active abilities (what with the changes to some of the icons with this patch), but what skill is that in your #1 slot? Is it by any chance a new icon for Structured Entropy? If so, that may be the culprit. I've noticed that when I have Structured Entropy slotted, when swapping from one bar to another I lose the additional health that it grants me, and it has to regenerate back to the max.

harness magicka

Ah, right. OK, then I don't know why this might be happening to you...

Lightninvash · September 2015

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Structured entropy or another set/skill that increases max health on 1 bar but not the other

Nope

I use harness magicka on both bars for the armor master passive so that HP should be equal too.

maybe its from when you switch bars temporarily you lose said buff and almost instantly gain said buff back making it seem as you lost life or took life but instead just gaining life back?

nimander99 · September 2015

Resipsa131 wrote: »

Are you losing a slotted ability such as Structure Entropy that adds max health? Your screen shot isn't loading so I cant tell.

This is your prob, and its 8% not 10%

Edit: nevermind, I didn't read the full forum before responding.

LEGENDARYYY · September 2015

Lightninvash wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Structured entropy or another set/skill that increases max health on 1 bar but not the other

Nope

I use harness magicka on both bars for the armor master passive so that HP should be equal too.

maybe its from when you switch bars temporarily you lose said buff and almost instantly gain said buff back making it seem as you lost life or took life but instead just gaining life back?

Yeah. That is my theory, allthough getting the buff back doesn't regen my HP. It takes a few seconds for my HP to regen back up to 100%, which means I do 10% of my max health as dmg to myself when swapping.

UrQuan · September 2015

Lightninvash wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Structured entropy or another set/skill that increases max health on 1 bar but not the other

Nope

I use harness magicka on both bars for the armor master passive so that HP should be equal too.

maybe its from when you switch bars temporarily you lose said buff and almost instantly gain said buff back making it seem as you lost life or took life but instead just gaining life back?

Oh, yeah, that could totally be it!

RoyJade · September 2015

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

My theory why this is happening is because while swapping, both my set passives are getting disabled and then re-activated. This is because I use both sets on my weapon and shield which I'm swapping between.

That it's. When you swap, you unequip your weapon and shield and then re-equip the new one. So, you loose the bonus. That's why it's dangerous to have life set bonus on a weapon.

Divinius · September 2015

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

My theory why this is happening is because while swapping, both my set passives are getting disabled and then re-activated. This is because I use both sets on my weapon and shield which I'm swapping between.

I'd be willing to bet this is exactly what's happening.

Rune_Relic · September 2015

Other than above, different passives depending on skills loaded.
So switching uses different passives that give the same bonus.
Unload one passive with x% bonus and load new passive with same x% bonus.
Sorry, cant see image.

winterbornb14_ESO · September 2015

I don't use bar swapping in combat due to its laggy and unreliable function, but I would not be surprised.

starkerealm · September 2015

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

My theory why this is happening is because while swapping, both my set passives are getting disabled and then re-activated. This is because I use both sets on my weapon and shield which I'm swapping between.

Yeah, this is exactly what's happening. When you include weapons in your sets, you always need to be really careful about what bonus the set is anchoring.

It used to be a major issue with Night's Silence, where the set bonus would only apply on entering stealth, so switching weapons would break it, and it wouldn't come back. Another really easy example to see is Twice Born Star, where if your weapon is contributing to the 5pc set, swapping it will nuke your second sign.

It's usually not a problem with regen, crit, resistance and damage up bonuses. But, for stat ups, and more exotic effects, it breaks for a couple frames.

myrrrorb14_ESO · September 2015

As guessed it is in fact the item set passive. When you weapon swap, you lose the bonus from that piece for a fraction of a sec. If it is a max stat increase you lose those hp. Since it is so quick you do not see your max move, just the collateral damage (your current health dropping to match your reduced max). It heals normally. I always make sure my weapon doesnt change my max stat.

starkerealm · September 2015

By the way, because of toggles, the game is pretty careful to make sure this behavior does not occur with bar swapping. Your bar passives will not flicker off like this. But it does apply for gear. IIRC you will also see this for enchantments on your shield, if you have one each bar.

LEGENDARYYY · September 2015

Even though there's an explanation for this, I think it should get fixed. Makes no sense to cripple weapon swapping just cause by coincidence your gear set flat passive is on your weapon or shield...

I don't have 9 traits on all my armor so I had to make me armor master shield..

Gilliamtherogue · September 2015

This is a side effect for ZoS's solution to fixing the Twice Born Star and Overload exploits. Anytime you swap bars, your character instantly loses all passives and abilities associated with their previous bar and weapons, then the game reads what new ones are being applied, and reinstates them. This is also why you may notice a slight stutter when swapping bars, even if both bars use the exact same weapons and abilities.

starkerealm · September 2015

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

This is a side effect for ZoS's solution to fixing the Twice Born Star and Overload exploits. Anytime you swap bars, your character instantly loses all passives and abilities associated with their previous bar and weapons, then the game reads what new ones are being applied, and reinstates them. This is also why you may notice a slight stutter when swapping bars, even if both bars use the exact same weapons and abilities.

No, this behavior predates the introduction of Twice Born Star last year.