Public Apology to NA EP

Recremen · September 2015

Based on what was happening to the map in Treuflame last night, I was both wrong regarding how quickly people would want to get back into overland Cyro and about how much chill y'all have. In fact that looked like a little too much chill. I know it gets pretty cold up there with them Nords, so let us know if you need some more heat, it seems there's a lot of AD who are willing to provide.

Rylana · September 2015

Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south. (it was actually funny how in the one break we had from fighting VE, we took Alessia in about 2 minutes flat and killed over 30 AD in there)

The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman

I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o The AD on Trueflame are generally not a concern or problem to contain, but you bring a solid group like Vehemence over and well, AD gets ignored so we can focus on the real fight. But gg either way.

For the record - we let thorn go, Sinful had some IRL stuff come up and wanted to be deposed so someone else could have a shot at it. Whoever is emp now isnt one of us afaik.

Recremen · September 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south.

The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman

I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o

It's not gloating, no worries, I wasn't even there. It's a legit apology because I was wrong, but with some PvP sass thrown in because I heard that's how we do around here. Half of Deci was watching the latest episode of football so it was just 6-8 (depending on the hour) of us running around the districts getting the quests done and seeing how the PvP is up there. The PvP is absolutely amazing up there, btw, I just wish it were worth anything and that folks had a way to tell where the action was, like how keeps flag on the map.

Rylana · September 2015

Recremen wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south.

The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman

I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o

It's not gloating, no worries, I wasn't even there. It's a legit apology because I was wrong, but with some PvP sass thrown in because I heard that's how we do around here. Half of Deci was watching the latest episode of football so it was just 6-8 (depending on the hour) of us running around the districts getting the quests done and seeing how the PvP is up there. The PvP is absolutely amazing up there, btw, I just wish it were worth anything and that folks had a way to tell where the action was, like how keeps flag on the map.

Aight then, HOLY ZAZEER SHALL RISE AGAIN... and cause much more ad qq when they lose control of the sewer grinds again

But ye, zaz got drunk and went to bed anyway. >_> So he will rise after hangover.

On a sidenote, im actually not all that fond of the district fights. Respawn is too close, i hate the sej/alessia rubberband because of the same reason, too much dying and lack of care about keeping it together... too much literal zergrushing

The NPC bosses are also really really irritating, but the maps are amazing if they were less cluttered. Lots and lots of chokes and natural LOS.

Recremen · September 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south.

The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman

I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o

It's not gloating, no worries, I wasn't even there. It's a legit apology because I was wrong, but with some PvP sass thrown in because I heard that's how we do around here. Half of Deci was watching the latest episode of football so it was just 6-8 (depending on the hour) of us running around the districts getting the quests done and seeing how the PvP is up there. The PvP is absolutely amazing up there, btw, I just wish it were worth anything and that folks had a way to tell where the action was, like how keeps flag on the map.

Aight then, HOLY ZAZEER SHALL RISE AGAIN... and cause much more ad qq when they lose control of the sewer grinds again

But ye, zaz got drunk and went to bed anyway. >_> So he will rise after hangover.

On a sidenote, im actually not all that fond of the district fights. Respawn is too close, i hate the sej/alessia rubberband because of the same reason, too much dying and lack of care about keeping it together... too much literal zergrushing

The NPC bosses are also really really irritating, but the maps are amazing if they were less cluttered. Lots and lots of chokes and natural LOS.

Yeah I can respect that, nobody wants sloppiness in their guild. I situationally like the instant respawns, but I could see where they'd be detrimental to good fights. Last night we were doing the Memorial District quest for a couple people that hadn't done that yet, and there were about 12-16 or so DC and EP each. We were able to crush them repeatedly even while fighting off the giant skeleton fire-negate bussmusnter there, and I enjoyed that they were able to instantly respawn and come right back at us. Our resources were constantly low, we had to focus hard, fight well, and stay grouped. But if it were 12-16 EP and 12-16 DC all from actually organized guilds, the instant respawn would have completely decimated us. I'm hoping that as the devs continue to work on that part of the content they'll find a way to balance those extremes.

Takllin · September 2015

Recremen wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south.

The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman

I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o

It's not gloating, no worries, I wasn't even there. It's a legit apology because I was wrong, but with some PvP sass thrown in because I heard that's how we do around here. Half of Deci was watching the latest episode of football so it was just 6-8 (depending on the hour) of us running around the districts getting the quests done and seeing how the PvP is up there. The PvP is absolutely amazing up there, btw, I just wish it were worth anything and that folks had a way to tell where the action was, like how keeps flag on the map.

Aight then, HOLY ZAZEER SHALL RISE AGAIN... and cause much more ad qq when they lose control of the sewer grinds again

But ye, zaz got drunk and went to bed anyway. >_> So he will rise after hangover.

On a sidenote, im actually not all that fond of the district fights. Respawn is too close, i hate the sej/alessia rubberband because of the same reason, too much dying and lack of care about keeping it together... too much literal zergrushing

The NPC bosses are also really really irritating, but the maps are amazing if they were less cluttered. Lots and lots of chokes and natural LOS.

Yeah I can respect that, nobody wants sloppiness in their guild. I situationally like the instant respawns, but I could see where they'd be detrimental to good fights. Last night we were doing the Memorial District quest for a couple people that hadn't done that yet, and there were about 12-16 or so DC and EP each. We were able to crush them repeatedly even while fighting off the giant skeleton fire-negate bussmusnter there, and I enjoyed that they were able to instantly respawn and come right back at us. Our resources were constantly low, we had to focus hard, fight well, and stay grouped. But if it were 12-16 EP and 12-16 DC all from actually organized guilds, the instant respawn would have completely decimated us. I'm hoping that as the devs continue to work on that part of the content they'll find a way to balance those extremes.

Make people respawn back into the sewers base, and with those 2-3 minute load screens it's basically like given them a rez timer! /s

Starshadw · September 2015

Recremen wrote: »

It's not gloating, no worries, I wasn't even there. It's a legit apology because I was wrong, but with some PvP sass thrown in because I heard that's how we do around here. Half of Deci was watching the latest episode of football so it was just 6-8 (depending on the hour) of us running around the districts getting the quests done and seeing how the PvP is up there. The PvP is absolutely amazing up there, btw, I just wish it were worth anything and that folks had a way to tell where the action was, like how keeps flag on the map.

Crossed swords appear in the dungeons and on the district maps when a fight is taking place or has taken place.

Recremen · September 2015

Starshadw wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

It's not gloating, no worries, I wasn't even there. It's a legit apology because I was wrong, but with some PvP sass thrown in because I heard that's how we do around here. Half of Deci was watching the latest episode of football so it was just 6-8 (depending on the hour) of us running around the districts getting the quests done and seeing how the PvP is up there. The PvP is absolutely amazing up there, btw, I just wish it were worth anything and that folks had a way to tell where the action was, like how keeps flag on the map.

Crossed swords appear in the dungeons and on the district maps when a fight is taking place or has taken place.

Swords are actually really misleading in this patch. It could be anything from "there are PvP people fighting here" to "Someone accidentally stepped in another person's caltrops, who apologized profusedly, and they each went separate ways after a lovely spot of kaveh and rice biscuits".

Flagging a keep implies a lot more than just crossed swords. It's a clear intent to take a PvP-important resource from other PvPers, with the expectation of them fighting back. I'm hoping that as they continue to develop the Imperial City, they make the districts possible to hold, worth holding, and flaggable to let folks know your bloody intent.

Ezareth · September 2015

Recremen wrote: »

Starshadw wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

It's not gloating, no worries, I wasn't even there. It's a legit apology because I was wrong, but with some PvP sass thrown in because I heard that's how we do around here. Half of Deci was watching the latest episode of football so it was just 6-8 (depending on the hour) of us running around the districts getting the quests done and seeing how the PvP is up there. The PvP is absolutely amazing up there, btw, I just wish it were worth anything and that folks had a way to tell where the action was, like how keeps flag on the map.

Crossed swords appear in the dungeons and on the district maps when a fight is taking place or has taken place.

Flagging a keep implies a lot more than just crossed swords. It's a clear intent to take a PvP-important resource from other PvPers, with the expectation of them fighting back

I take it you've never seen that lone level 29 determined to take down that keep wall at all costs (with a fire ballista) as his first major step towards crowning himself emp.

Starshadw · September 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Flagging a keep implies a lot more than just crossed swords. It's a clear intent to take a PvP-important resource from other PvPers, with the expectation of them fighting back

I take it you've never seen that lone level 29 determined to take down that keep wall at all costs (with a fire ballista) as his first major step towards crowning himself emp.
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Flagging keeps is also a specific strategy to force a large force to split up, or even as a diversion.

Recremen · September 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Starshadw wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

It's not gloating, no worries, I wasn't even there. It's a legit apology because I was wrong, but with some PvP sass thrown in because I heard that's how we do around here. Half of Deci was watching the latest episode of football so it was just 6-8 (depending on the hour) of us running around the districts getting the quests done and seeing how the PvP is up there. The PvP is absolutely amazing up there, btw, I just wish it were worth anything and that folks had a way to tell where the action was, like how keeps flag on the map.

Crossed swords appear in the dungeons and on the district maps when a fight is taking place or has taken place.

Flagging a keep implies a lot more than just crossed swords. It's a clear intent to take a PvP-important resource from other PvPers, with the expectation of them fighting back

I take it you've never seen that lone level 29 determined to take down that keep wall at all costs (with a fire ballista) as his first major step towards crowning himself emp.

Well we can argue over the importance of edge cases for hours, but by and large hitting keeps means you want to fight. ;-p Besides, you can't get emp these days without fighting. Maybe in The Old Days, though.

hammayolettuce · September 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south. (it was actually funny how in the one break we had from fighting VE, we took Alessia in about 2 minutes flat and killed over 30 AD in there)

The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman

I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o The AD on Trueflame are generally not a concern or problem to contain, but you bring a solid group like Vehemence over and well, AD gets ignored so we can focus on the real fight. But gg either way.

For the record - we let thorn go, Sinful had some IRL stuff come up and wanted to be deposed so someone else could have a shot at it. Whoever is emp now isnt one of us afaik.

I had been itching for some good Cyro PvP for a while and you guys sure put up a good fight. I had a lot of fun fighting GoS last night and gained a lot of insight into what will be the 1.7/2.1 group meta. Always a pleasure.

manny254 · September 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south. (it was actually funny how in the one break we had from fighting VE, we took Alessia in about 2 minutes flat and killed over 30 AD in there)

The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman

I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o The AD on Trueflame are generally not a concern or problem to contain, but you bring a solid group like Vehemence over and well, AD gets ignored so we can focus on the real fight. But gg either way.

For the record - we let thorn go, Sinful had some IRL stuff come up and wanted to be deposed so someone else could have a shot at it. Whoever is emp now isnt one of us afaik.

"CrownZerg" lol

Lets get somethings straight here ok.

Last night we had a group of 9-12 fighting off a group of 35+ organized EP. If you consider that a zerg while you where running numbers that probably more than twice that I fear for you. Zerging was our objective wan't it? Thats why split up a group of 8 into 3 small groups to take resources and prevent the zergs from flying across the map. Allowing AD pugs to grab Alessia and Roe. Sounds like a tactic used by the giant 9 man zerg?

Secondly. Crown is not a Rage Officer. Crown is not a Rage group leader.

Scyantific · September 2015

So there's PvP action now? Good to know, I knew IC was going to lose its luster after 2 weeks of all-access.

See what happened ZoS? We told you it would happen.

WRX · September 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south. (it was actually funny how in the one break we had from fighting VE, we took Alessia in about 2 minutes flat and killed over 30 AD in there)

The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman

I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o The AD on Trueflame are generally not a concern or problem to contain, but you bring a solid group like Vehemence over and well, AD gets ignored so we can focus on the real fight. But gg either way.

For the record - we let thorn go, Sinful had some IRL stuff come up and wanted to be deposed so someone else could have a shot at it. Whoever is emp now isnt one of us afaik.

"CrownZerg" lol

Lets get somethings straight here ok.

Last night we had a group of 9-12 fighting off a group of 35+ organized EP. If you consider that a zerg while you where running numbers that probably more than twice that I fear for you. Zerging was our objective wan't it? Thats why split up a group of 8 into 3 small groups to take resources and prevent the zergs from flying across the map. Allowing AD pugs to grab Alessia and Roe. Sounds like a tactic used by the giant 9 man zerg?

Secondly. Crown is not a Rage Officer. Crown is not a Rage group leader.

People are just completely disconnected from their game.

Rylana · September 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south. (it was actually funny how in the one break we had from fighting VE, we took Alessia in about 2 minutes flat and killed over 30 AD in there)

The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman

I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o The AD on Trueflame are generally not a concern or problem to contain, but you bring a solid group like Vehemence over and well, AD gets ignored so we can focus on the real fight. But gg either way.

For the record - we let thorn go, Sinful had some IRL stuff come up and wanted to be deposed so someone else could have a shot at it. Whoever is emp now isnt one of us afaik.

"CrownZerg" lol

Lets get somethings straight here ok.

Last night we had a group of 9-12 fighting off a group of 35+ organized EP. If you consider that a zerg while you where running numbers that probably more than twice that I fear for you. Zerging was our objective wan't it? Thats why split up a group of 8 into 3 small groups to take resources and prevent the zergs from flying across the map. Allowing AD pugs to grab Alessia and Roe. Sounds like a tactic used by the giant 9 man zerg?

Secondly. Crown is not a Rage Officer. Crown is not a Rage group leader.

During the dethrone yesterday, we werent even at BRK. We literally got there as the keep flipped, most of our 20 man group stuck at the postern door unable to go through because it had already flipped.

I didnt even see you personally, I spent the previous 2 hours up at Aleswell and Chalman fighting Vehemence, as Snu has verified in this thread already.

What I did see, when we got to BRK was over 40 AD coming out of the breach and starting to rep the outer wall. The other guild on EP Trueflame, SWP was telling us how many you had all along the south front, and we sent a few people as we could afford to because we had enough on our plate fighting a good guild up north. Frankly I find your claims of "it was just 9-12 people in MY group" so clearly that was all AD had to be laughable.

Open up your eyes sometime and see just how many fricken AD are on Trueflame sometime, the zerg is real, and there are two guilds on EP side. GoS, which normally runs 12-20, and SWP which has a lot of less experienced players.

Not once were they running with us, we defended chalman and aleswell alone. So whoever was fighting you to the south definitely wasnt us once the blues showed up.

Crown · September 2015

A lot of people seem to misunderstand what exactly happens when there are a lot of players in one place.

Lets say for the sake of debate that I'm running in a group of 8.
My group manages to win vs groups of 16, but is unable to win vs a group of 24.
We try three or four times, and the numbers just don't let us compete.
We call in 4 more people, and our 12 beat their 24 a few times.
They call in more people, and have two nearly full group (38 people per Combat Analytics).
Our group merges with an allied guild group who joined us from another campaign (both guilds that I run with together) and start running a group of 18.
Our 18 beat their 38, though immediately after the 38 fall, another opposing guild (of 16) hits us while we're low on resources and wipes us.
We ask for help from anyone else in the sewers, and a group of 20 responds.
The allied group of 20 pushes up the west side of the map (Ash/Aleswell) and we push up the east side (BRK/Chalman) causing the opposing groups to split to different places (as we did) until we dethrone (and crown).
The group of 20 allies return to the sewers.
Our group of 18 splits up to farm trophies and stones, and we're left with 12 to go after a scroll.
Once we have the scroll, our group of 12 splits up to go farm trophies and telvar stones.
A group of 8 unknowns (PvE players) pushes one EP gate keep and Glademist and asks how to capture a Temple. I explain how scrolls work (that we already got them), how it's bad form to take Arrius/Farra/Kings and Glade/Rayles/Warden (or Fare/BB/BM on our side) when there are no scrolls to capture and makes it tougher for players to get to IC, and refer them to www.darkelves.com for some PvP basics. The confirm that they understand, and will spread the word to their PvE friends and guilds about playing honourably and maintaining good form.

What part of this exactly is wrong / unfair / causing all these negative emotions? This is exactly what happened from our perspective.

@Rylana You've noted that GoS normally runs 12-20. Rage normally runs 6-8, and very rarely 12. Misfitz normally runs 12-16, and very rarely up to 24 if everyone gets together for an objective when opposing factions are running more than 24 together. Misfitz has even split such that half are homed Azuras and half Trueflame so that we don't end up all in the same place. You named the EP guild that runs 24+, and we all know the two AD guilds who do the same (who are not either of the two guilds I run with). When two AD groups end up in the same place (which happens - most notably when there's one emp keep left to dethrone an opponent), calling that the "CrownZerg" is offensive and inaccurate (it even happens in campaigns that I don't participate). Perhaps I will ask all of AD to whisper you every time we see 24+ opponents and call it the "RylanaZerg" and you'll see what it's like. Zazeer and a few others from GoS and I are on good terms, we talk often, and I have always been honest when asked about the size of the group that I'm playing with - or who else is on the map. Perhaps the next time you see a large group of players you can try using adult words and communicating - I'll be happy to let you know what's going on and if things are unfairly balanced against you, I will probably agree that they are. Everyone needs someone to hate, and I seem to be the target for most. I doesn't really bother me, I just feel the need to try and correct misconceptions.

It is also rather hypocritical to complain about the numbers of AD at times when looking at what EP has done the past few days. I don't blame GoS or Zazeer for wanting to hold emp. I know it's not their fault that there are other EP groups who come into Cyrodiil at the same time. I know that it's not GoS that is pushing AD back to both gates at times (the group of 21 EP who did that for three hours two days ago until I had to make a group of randoms (PuGs) and take BM/Fare back to open transit for those heading to IC as nobody in my regular groups/guilds wanted to take time away from farming trophies/stones. There are a lot of *** in the game as there are in real life. Blaming one person for the acts of others does nothing but show a lack of understanding, common sense, and reasonableness on the part of the blamer.

On the bright side, I achieved the Alliance war rank of General last night (and then slept for 12 hours), so I'm feeling good today!

If anyone hasn't seen the General's Gold colour, here it is:

vortexman11 · September 2015

So can all you AD stop thinking you're the only people in existence and realize we often have an entire raid of Vehemence to fight up north?

Kupoking · September 2015

Guys guys cut some loose to rylana. He is the guy who assumed tko was on haderus last patch because he saw frogblast inside a DiG raid once and came here to publicly whine out this.

The poor guy is just clueless.

Darlgon · September 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Starshadw wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

It's not gloating, no worries, I wasn't even there. It's a legit apology because I was wrong, but with some PvP sass thrown in because I heard that's how we do around here. Half of Deci was watching the latest episode of football so it was just 6-8 (depending on the hour) of us running around the districts getting the quests done and seeing how the PvP is up there. The PvP is absolutely amazing up there, btw, I just wish it were worth anything and that folks had a way to tell where the action was, like how keeps flag on the map.

Crossed swords appear in the dungeons and on the district maps when a fight is taking place or has taken place.

Flagging a keep implies a lot more than just crossed swords. It's a clear intent to take a PvP-important resource from other PvPers, with the expectation of them fighting back

I take it you've never seen that lone level 29 determined to take down that keep wall at all costs (with a fire ballista) as his first major step towards crowning himself emp.

LOLZ. Thanks.. that was me back in May of last year before I hooked up with my PvP guild..

Darlgon · September 2015

Crown wrote: »

interesting strategy discussion...

Everyone needs someone to hate, and I seem to be the target for most. I doesn't really bother me, I just feel the need to try and correct misconceptions.

More interesting strat stuff..

On the bright side, I achieved the Alliance war rank of General last night (and then slept for 12 hours), so I'm feeling good today!

picts

Thanks for the picts. Never saw general gold, looks cool.Something for my centurion to shoot for. Gratz.

Ever consider you may be a lightning rod because people named "Crown" seem to think they are entitled to an emp crown?

Crown · September 2015

vortexman11 wrote: »

So can all you AD stop thinking you're the only people in existence and realize we often have an entire raid of Vehemence to fight up north?

@vortexman11 Can you EP stop thinking that you're the only ones who ever have to deal with DC? I admit that I've only seen an EP presence outside the sewers twice this reset. Once was dethroning Zazeer, and once was an attempt to dethrone me (the first time). I'd love to get more action in Cyrodiil.

Crown · September 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

Thanks for the picts. Never saw general gold, looks cool.Something for my centurion to shoot for. Gratz.

Thanks! About a year of PvP to get that. Unfortunately I started PvP after the days of camp hopping and 800k / day. Most of the AD who did play back then have left the game, and there are only very few at Legate or higher (our highest is one Warlord).

Darlgon wrote: »

Ever consider you may be a lightning rod because people named "Crown" seem to think they are entitled to an emp crown?

@Darlgon There's no entitlement there. I play hard to make AP and as a result end up at the top of the board. My goal in game has always been to achieve Legate and the best black colour in game. General was the next logical goal. Now, with AP not flowing near as well as it used to, I'm not sure what to set as my next goal.. Emperor has never meant much to me (after the first time). I've had it about a dozen times now, and while it is fun, it doesn't give me a sense of accomplishing anything. I'm considering playing in another campaign now to let others catch up (I've ensured that I'll get gold rewards - which was my primary goal).

vortexman11 · September 2015

Crown wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

So can all you AD stop thinking you're the only people in existence and realize we often have an entire raid of Vehemence to fight up north?

@vortexman11 Can you EP stop thinking that you're the only ones who ever have to deal with DC? I admit that I've only seen an EP presence outside the sewers twice this reset. Once was dethroning Zazeer, and once was an attempt to dethrone me (the first time). I'd love to get more action in Cyrodiil.

The point is, don't call people out on running groups larger than yours if you think they're only dealing with your group.

Kupoking · September 2015

Hmmm never read anywhere crown complain about large groups...

Recremen · September 2015

Crown wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

So can all you AD stop thinking you're the only people in existence and realize we often have an entire raid of Vehemence to fight up north?

@vortexman11 Can you EP stop thinking that you're the only ones who ever have to deal with DC? I admit that I've only seen an EP presence outside the sewers twice this reset. Once was dethroning Zazeer, and once was an attempt to dethrone me (the first time). I'd love to get more action in Cyrodiil.

I wanted to bring Deci out to Cyro last night but there were a couple of problems that sort of highlight the struggles of this patch. One, we were finishing up the last of the main quest line in IC and doing a little bit of PvP there to hold us over (though there was much less tonight than other nights for reasons I'll get into). Two, when we came on the entire map was yellow and there was a queue to get in to Trueflame, which is the one campaign I thought we were going to try to make a PvP-centric spot.

I gave a shout in zone telling folks that turning the whole map yellow was bad and anti-pvp and all I got was someone complaining about the campaign score and that we needed every keep and scroll to win. Because apparently that's something that suddenly matters even though I've not heard a peep about the score for I think literally a year at this point. It was pretty obvious that it was some PvE person trying their hand at PvP and having no cognizance of the current meta or rules of courtesy. So it was either camp outside EP/DC gates and be awful jerks, or go into the Imperial City.

And really this is the problem with flipping the whole map, I think. It draws PvEers to the campaign like flies to a kill, trying to leech the blood off the work of an actual hunting pack. I think that if we want to make Trueflame the super srs pvp campaign then we'll need to deincentivize the PvEers from coming in. I don't know how to accomplish that just yet, but if you have any ideas let me know.

Zheg · September 2015

Can we stop the 'you zerg', 'no you zerg!' back and forth and focus on the truly glorious part of that night? With the numbers that were colliding, there was NO. LAG.

There seem to be some FPS issues in place of ping issues, but it's far more manageable than the meteor cartoon that large engagements used to be.

It was shweet. Looking forward to when everyone is geared up and back to regular Cyrodiil and I'm not fighting with broken armor

vortexman11 · September 2015

Zheg wrote: »

Can we stop the 'you zerg', 'no you zerg!' back and forth and focus on the truly glorious part of that night? With the numbers that were colliding, there was NO. LAG.

There seem to be some FPS issues in place of ping issues, but it's far more manageable than the meteor cartoon that large engagements used to be.

It was shweet. Looking forward to when everyone is geared up and back to regular Cyrodiil.

^This

But at the same time Zheg, Im sorry, I've been getting really defensive lately, I normally stay quiet, I've always been one to run into a zerg solo and get zerged down, but I don't comment on it, or send rage tells, but recently I've had to make further additions to my ignore list because of how salty alot of AD seem to be.

And @Crown you thought I was directing that comment specifically at you, I was directing it at almost anyone who believe's they're the only ones on the map, even though I said AD, it was also directed at both DC and other EP.

Crown · September 2015

@vortexman11 The entire game seems to be about escalating group sizes now that lag issues have diminished. One group starts with 4, the opposing ones comes with 8, first grows to 12, opposing grows to 20, first doesn't want to grow past 12 so they ask for another group to come help, that one shows up with 20, and when they end up in the same place at the same time with some randoms, the zerg name calling commences. It's a logical progression of events (based on a faction actually caring and wanting to help - which is not always, or even often the case these days).

There are still people getting lag and FPS drops when facing large groups. Last night I got two whispers from EP players how funny it was that there's no lag or FPS issues until I show up - I responded questioning if they had any serious fights before that knowing that they had just been steamrolling PvE'ers and PuGs. It's easy to blame the other guy, and I respect you for doing your best when you're alone or with 2-3 others to try and stop - or at least slow down our groups until you can get more people around. Yesterday there was a moment where we had 10 people and we rolled over you quickly.. I said out loud in TS that it makes me feel dirty doing that to a lone player these days (though you're enough of a tanky pain in the keester that it takes 4-5 of us to kill you ;-)

I also got three whispers from people accusing me of zerging in Azuras yesterday. Pointing out that I was then-currently emperor in Trueflame and defending that shut them up quite quickly.

vortexman11 · September 2015

Crown wrote: »

@vortexman11 It's easy to blame the other guy, and I respect you for doing your best when you're alone or with 2-3 others to try and stop - or at least slow down our groups until you can get more people around. Yesterday there was a moment where we had 10 people and we rolled over you quickly.. I said out loud in TS that it makes me feel dirty doing that to a lone player these days (though you're enough of a tanky pain in the keester that it takes 4-5 of us to kill you ;-)

I also got three whispers from people accusing me of zerging in Azuras yesterday. Pointing out that I was then-currently emperor in Trueflame and defending that shut them up quite quickly.

At the same time I'd hope you don't feel dirty because it's completely my choice to choose and run into you guys knowing I'm outnumbered even if I have hopes I'd last long enough for the rest of the group to show up.

Again though...I'm sorry if I said anything bad against you/your guild, too many cross faction whispers lately getting to my head....

Psilent · September 2015

Zheg wrote: »

Can we stop the 'you zerg', 'no you zerg!' back and forth and focus on the truly glorious part of that night? With the numbers that were colliding, there was NO. LAG.

There seem to be some FPS issues in place of ping issues, but it's far more manageable than the meteor cartoon that large engagements used to be.

It was shweet. Looking forward to when everyone is geared up and back to regular Cyrodiil and I'm not fighting with broken armor

For @Zheg , @hammayolettuce, @Crown I will stop right now of ever accusing anyone of zerging. It seems to me that all guilds are doing their best, well there are a few exceptions, to not zerg. However, accusing someone of zerging when pugs show up isn't fair.