Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

fextralife.com/eso-zenimax-answers-console-questions/

Just found this link the the "Ask Us Anything" thread...posted by another user.

Thought it was a good read, but noticed the answers seem to be directly transcribed from earlier ESO Live episodes.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

I still feel this thread has value, I just wish the posters were more constructive in their efforts.

As I noted previously the voice chat system that ZoS implemented is very bare bones and does not have any lobby customization options at all. You cannot password protect chat channels (or make them invite only), view who is in the chat channel before joining, or even give the channel a proper title.

On a side note, ZoS saying that they do not see ESO as an MMO is a huge part of their problem. Just as Modern Warfare revelutionized the FPS genre by adding RPG elements, MMOs have evolved over time to include elements from many other types of genres. While ESO is heavily influenced by the Elder Scrolls series it is still, at its core, an MMO. As a result communication with hundreds of other players is a fundamental requirement of the game. Also note that the game was marketed as an MMO and reviewed as an MMO so perhaps ZoS is developing the wrong game.

No arguments there....

If you were around early back on PC launch and even PC BETA there was a very large crowd of PC players who said....

-This is a MMO and not TES make the game as such...

Those users were commenting on the rather odd usage of questing and amount of single player content vs group and MMO style content.

Then Craglorn dropped and you had a rather large group saying...this is a TES game, whats with all the MMO stuff

Now we have console and IC....and you see the PC reactions to IC.

We agree and disagree all the same on this topic and maybe others......as of 9/15 this ride will become very interesting for us all regardless of where we stand here.

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

JackalWynter wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

JackalWynter wrote: »

Has anyone that frequents this topic that actually voted no (i.e. newblacksmurf) ever given a clear cut answer as to why they are so opposed to text chat that can be toggled off? I.e. they don't have to use it, they don't have to see it, hear it or dream about it.

I know that he has been asked this very question several times by different posters, just wondered if he has given a straight answer yet, or not?

If you prefer to go back and review there is a lot of detail in earlier pages and the tag will correspond with a users vote

So no, you're not prepared to give a simple answer to a simple question. That's exactly what I thought.

This is the first one I found with many/most of his reasons.
I only had to skim the first 6 pages to find it.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf -- I'm genuinely curious why you dislike the idea of a text chat OPTION on consoles. I'm not trying to be a *** here, I just would really enjoy hearing some reasons why you wouldn't like it.

Disrespect for the Developers
-This community has a very bad habit of pouting and demanding things when something isn't of their liking even after the developer has shared why a change or decision was made...this is just another topic that has been addressed on ZOS live in April but rants, complaint threads, etc continue
-There are positive ways to provide feed back and I think that has occurred in April, and acknowledged again by ZOS, reviewed and later responded, as no in June but the compromise was radial text chat...(the horse is now dead 4 times over)

Time for a Change in the MMO space
-The main aspect is I came to this game to get away from the traditional MMORPG games like WoW, DAoC, Neverwinter, LoTRO, Aion, Warframe, Asherons Call, DCUO, Ever Quest, etc.
-This game looks and plays like TES rather than another MMORPG in a different template

Logic
-This community which is similar to many other MMO forum communities hasn't learned how to communicate which is evident in the forums. This bleeds over into the game, and is why I end up leaving MMORPG's
-I like this game but don't like the garbage that flows through text chat on PC, so I moved to console
-I now enjoy playing, very rarely encounter a problem socially and other than people's Kinects or open mic sounds popping up, I can mute it in less than 1-2 secs
-The console version solves all my issues that I've had on PC but many of which I took steps to minimize
-Allowing the PC traditional social aspects spill over into the console version is a BIG reason why a lot of people steer clear of MMORPG's

Hardware Requirements
-its not ideal for the majority of console players based on limited support of keyboards or second screen support
-adds an necessary cost
-most keyboard cables do not reach the distance some gamers sit from their consoles

Functionality
-two hands on a controller (no room for another device)
-the pop-up screen pauses the game (occurs on xbox one when text box is triggered)
-a gamer would have to stop playing in order to type a message (regardless of the device used to type)

Environment
-The majority of online games for console are voice only so it begins to split players into categories.
-allows spamming of text
-drives behaviors to avoid using the games systems which have other negative impacts (ie: ppl want text chat so they don't have to use the Grouping Tools)
-Screen shots and video capturing in the console environment can product very negative outcomes for online behavior in-game
-Drives the need of in-game moderators for monitoring text chat
-the consoles are built in a way to ignore text only without blocking a gamertag entirely for all games
-social interactions on consoles are not character based (see the above comment)

..........this is my opinion..............

robkrush wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

JackalWynter wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

JackalWynter wrote: »

Has anyone that frequents this topic that actually voted no (i.e. newblacksmurf) ever given a clear cut answer as to why they are so opposed to text chat that can be toggled off? I.e. they don't have to use it, they don't have to see it, hear it or dream about it.

I know that he has been asked this very question several times by different posters, just wondered if he has given a straight answer yet, or not?

If you prefer to go back and review there is a lot of detail in earlier pages and the tag will correspond with a users vote

So no, you're not prepared to give a simple answer to a simple question. That's exactly what I thought.

This is the first one I found with many/most of his reasons.
I only had to skim the first 6 pages to find it.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf -- I'm genuinely curious why you dislike the idea of a text chat OPTION on consoles. I'm not trying to be a *** here, I just would really enjoy hearing some reasons why you wouldn't like it.

Disrespect for the Developers
-This community has a very bad habit of pouting and demanding things when something isn't of their liking even after the developer has shared why a change or decision was made...this is just another topic that has been addressed on ZOS live in April but rants, complaint threads, etc continue
-There are positive ways to provide feed back and I think that has occurred in April, and acknowledged again by ZOS, reviewed and later responded, as no in June but the compromise was radial text chat...(the horse is now dead 4 times over)

Time for a Change in the MMO space
-The main aspect is I came to this game to get away from the traditional MMORPG games like WoW, DAoC, Neverwinter, LoTRO, Aion, Warframe, Asherons Call, DCUO, Ever Quest, etc.
-This game looks and plays like TES rather than another MMORPG in a different template

Logic
-This community which is similar to many other MMO forum communities hasn't learned how to communicate which is evident in the forums. This bleeds over into the game, and is why I end up leaving MMORPG's
-I like this game but don't like the garbage that flows through text chat on PC, so I moved to console
-I now enjoy playing, very rarely encounter a problem socially and other than people's Kinects or open mic sounds popping up, I can mute it in less than 1-2 secs
-The console version solves all my issues that I've had on PC but many of which I took steps to minimize
-Allowing the PC traditional social aspects spill over into the console version is a BIG reason why a lot of people steer clear of MMORPG's

Hardware Requirements
-its not ideal for the majority of console players based on limited support of keyboards or second screen support
-adds an necessary cost
-most keyboard cables do not reach the distance some gamers sit from their consoles

Functionality
-two hands on a controller (no room for another device)
-the pop-up screen pauses the game (occurs on xbox one when text box is triggered)
-a gamer would have to stop playing in order to type a message (regardless of the device used to type)

Environment
-The majority of online games for console are voice only so it begins to split players into categories.
-allows spamming of text
-drives behaviors to avoid using the games systems which have other negative impacts (ie: ppl want text chat so they don't have to use the Grouping Tools)
-Screen shots and video capturing in the console environment can product very negative outcomes for online behavior in-game
-Drives the need of in-game moderators for monitoring text chat
-the consoles are built in a way to ignore text only without blocking a gamertag entirely for all games
-social interactions on consoles are not character based (see the above comment)

..........this is my opinion..............

Welcome to the NewBlackSmurf thread folks.

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

I find it utterly amazing that ZOS released ESO on PC, and it was TRASHED by so many people for so many reasons.
So bad, in fact, that many console players won't even consider giving it a chance on PS4/XB1.
(Of the 200+ people that were on my friend's list I played Destiny with when asked "Are you going to play ESO?" all except 8 said "I heard it is already failing on PC because the devs don't know how to run/make an MMO".
And, of those 8 that did come over with me...ALL have quit due to lack on proper communications & grouping tools in the game. )

And then, in one giant mistake, they release on console with it missing a BASIC feature missing.

How can they see, or not see, what they are doing wrong?

Oh I believe you. I had roughly 34 of us that came here from NeverWinter and some I have played Rift and even Asherons Call/WoW and a few other MMOs over the years.

There are only 3 of us left playing lol. As I have said before these are Quality players that any MMO community would be lucky to have. All of them adults and some Husband/Wife teams in there. They left for the same reasons you mentioned, but the one that struck me the hardest was that they feel like the development staff just doesn't seem to care nor interact with its player base. Some even point out that the majority of the ZOS staff are younger than they are and are flat out rude to the players base. While I personally do not agree with most of that. I will say it is sad to think there are players leaving the game thinking that way.

While playing another MMO last week I asked the group I was in if they had ever played ESO and told them they should try it with me on the Console.. They respond with things like. "You mean the MMO that doesn't have MMO features like Text Chat/Auction House/End Game Content?" ...... What could I say to that? It is not a shinning time for ESO when the mass public think this way towards your game you HAVE to make changes..

JackalWynter wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

JackalWynter wrote: »

Has anyone that frequents this topic that actually voted no (i.e. newblacksmurf) ever given a clear cut answer as to why they are so opposed to text chat that can be toggled off? I.e. they don't have to use it, they don't have to see it, hear it or dream about it.

I know that he has been asked this very question several times by different posters, just wondered if he has given a straight answer yet, or not?

If you prefer to go back and review there is a lot of detail in earlier pages and the tag will correspond with a users vote

So no, you're not prepared to give a simple answer to a simple question. That's exactly what I thought.

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

nosworc wrote: »

JackalWynter wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

JackalWynter wrote: »

Has anyone that frequents this topic that actually voted no (i.e. newblacksmurf) ever given a clear cut answer as to why they are so opposed to text chat that can be toggled off? I.e. they don't have to use it, they don't have to see it, hear it or dream about it.

I know that he has been asked this very question several times by different posters, just wondered if he has given a straight answer yet, or not?

If you prefer to go back and review there is a lot of detail in earlier pages and the tag will correspond with a users vote

So no, you're not prepared to give a simple answer to a simple question. That's exactly what I thought.

Oh he won't, i asked him three times the other day. Just ignored me, he's only here for arguments sake and to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. There is no logical reasoning for not wanting text chat in an mmo. Period.

I'll play devil's advocate for a minute and explain why adding text chat would be bad for ESO... it's because it would require further development time and this would detract from other things, like new content, that ZOS could be working on instead. Additionally, some players do not want to use an in-game, bluetooth, or usb keyboard and adding text chat would make it pretty much mandatory for them. Lastly, the console version was not optimized for it so there may be potential performance issues due to needing to overhaul the UI.

That being said, the long-term benefits of adding text chat far outweigh these reasons. Besides, both IC and Orsinium (Wrothgar) were shown over a year ago at QuakeCon 2014 and the community has been aware of the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood being possible additions for a long time as well. The lost development time is really not that critical. Having to use a keyboard is somewhat restrictive but text chat is used on cell phones as a main form of communication anyway, so its hardly a prohibitive factor. The performance issues are the only real hurdle since the console versions were not developed to have text chat from the start but considering how simple text chat is as a program it is one of the least resource intensive add-ons to include.

I'm sure there are some people that will disagree with me, so feel free to provide reasons why adding text chat would hurt the console versions of ESO.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Man, I just can't stop playing this game! I've used up all my sick days at work rollin for hours and hours using the awesome VC with all the hundreds and hundreds of players in game! My friend is especially happy since they have dyslexia and almost bought the PC version, until they realized it only had that text chat box. I applaud you Z for keeping the spam text chat out of the console version of ESO! Mic up, group up, guild up and roll peeps, this game is super!

Shunravi wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Man, I just can't stop playing this game! I've used up all my sick days at work rollin for hours and hours using the awesome VC with all the hundreds and hundreds of players in game! My friend is especially happy since they have dyslexia and almost bought the PC version, until they realized it only had that text chat box. I applaud you Z for keeping the spam text chat out of the console version of ESO! Mic up, group up, guild up and roll peeps, this game is super!

Actually there is voice on pc. its just not native to the game.

Chieve wrote: »

Since defcon has eso at the end of his name does that mean he has any affiliation with eso or is he just a troll

Chieve wrote: »

Since defcon has eso at the end of his name does that mean he has any affiliation with eso or is he just a troll