UntameableAngel wrote: »

It's already ridiculous that players are able to bite other players as frequently as they can.

If the Cooldown was once a month, as opposed to once a week, you could have had another Meta game for players to strive to achieve in game (by doing content).

Yeah, totally, and players would be a lot less willing to just give their bite away. Then there would be the players who sell the bites, except the price would probably get a multiplier of 10. People will still get bites, and those that already have them will keep them, so that doesn't really solve anything. It only screws over new players and new characters.

Then, players wouldn't have an issue with lots of players being either a Vampire or Werewolf in end game PvP - as well as lots of the remaining players running fire / poison weapons while spamming Fighter's Guild Abilities (countering the playstyle).

Adding in Bites through the Crown Store, will just make the situation even worse..

I'm decently active in PVP and I've never had any issues with people 'spamming' fighter's guild abilities or their ww/vp powers. Is it a pain when someone turns werewolf? Sure, sometimes. It definitely doesn't make them invincible to normal attacks though. So you're exaggerating, making this quote a 'strawman' argument.

Also, while you are working on (or thinking about) adding in a way to change your race through the Crown Store - can you make a way in game to turn your character into an Imperial?

You're really riding the line of pay to win, by allowing it to exist by buying it - but not a way to obtain it ingame..

The racial passives Imperials have, make it this way for many playstyles.

For which playstyles are you talking about?

Dragonknight? Dunmer vs Imperial = Dunmer winning

Nightblade? Khajiit vs Imperial = Khajiit winning

Sorcerer? Bosmer/Altmer vs Imperial = Bosmer/Altmer winning

The racial passives for the imperials make for a decent templar/tank build, but even then it's not overpowered and is the same difficulty to drop as any other build. Are you gonna get pwnd if you go up against a VR14 Imperial Templar if you're a lower level? Yep. But you'll get dropped by just about any race/class build that is VR14 as well. Will an Imperial templar drop a Nord templar of the same level? Literally depends on the player, because both classes were geared with tanks in mind. Nords only get 9% max health buff whereas Imperials get 12%, but Nords also get damage reduction, cold resistance, and health recovery. Imperials get a 10% max stamina buff and a chance to heal when striking. Overall it depends completely on your own play-style which class is better. So no, not even close to toeing the line for p2w.

Considering the bites are openly sold by players, I don't see how putting them in the crown store is really different. It's really not a huge deal to me if they do or don't.

So why not also put in Skill Points, Achievements, and Gear in the Crown Store as well?

IT WOULD BE A CONVENIENCE THING!


Please stop catering to the easy mode, "I want everything handed to me in the Crown Store" kiddies, Zenimax.

They might give you money in the short run, but they will also be the downfall of your game..

People are flipping out over datamined information. Before they actually try to understand anything they panic and go post on the forums.

This thread is a good example of whining, nothing more. You don't even know how this'll be implemented, but of course some people just need to get their opinion in fast before they actually try to understand what they're crying about.

Like I said in my previous post, this'll probably be around for the week of Halloween only. If it's not, then I guess it's game over for you.

It's available to anyone so it's not P2W. I give away free vamp/WW bites each week and I will continue to do so

UntameableAngel wrote: »

So why not also put in Skill Points, Achievements, and Gear in the Crown Store as well?

IT WOULD BE A CONVENIENCE THING!


Please stop catering to the easy mode, "I want everything handed to me in the Crown Store" kiddies, Zenimax.

They might give you money in the short run, but they will also be the downfall of your game..

You can already buy the bites from players, but you cannot buy skill points or achievements from players, so there's the difference. Some gear you can buy, but some is bound on pickup and you cannot.

Players buy bites. What difference does it make if it's from another player, or from the company? I'll answer that, "None". Your argument makes no sense.

Except that you probably make an extra 40K a week selling bites, so you don't want your own in-game revenue to be effected. That's why you're so opposed to it is my guess.

Apparently they will also offer IC motifs, mats, Tel stones etc. in the Crown Store at some point too. Its just as well.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I don't get the 10k a-bite malarkey because it's usually higher level players charging for bites and 10k is nothing really later on in the game. I can make that in a day.

I don't either. I've never charged for a bite, and give them freely in our guild and can't even find someone who wants one half the time.

As for gold, you can make 10k gold in about 20 mins stealing, or way more than that running a dungeon and getting some cool gear to sell (got 60k worth of stuff last night in one Elden Hollow run). Seems like such a lame thing to charge for. Especially since gold really has no value. Once you max out bag space, bank space and horses there's not much to really use it for.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

ZOS, please do add bites to the store.

I am shocked that people would spend money on a bite with guilds full of people giving out free bites and mobs also giving bites. If this leads to more revenue, awesome.

Just because you can gain revenue on something does not instantly mean you should instantly monetize it. They can also gain a lot of revenue by allowing VR16 characters to permitting skill points to be bought in the crown store but that doesn't mean they should do it.
Granted, a vamp/WW bite is hardly the same thing as an insta-max leveled character, but the moment they enter the crown store is the moment the company's quality comes into question.
A company that allows anything of perceived value to be bought in the cash shop is oftentimes deemed of lower quality than companies that do not permit anything outside of cosmetics to be obtained.

In the end I feel that though it will give them a short term monetary gain, the long term effects are negative overall if they continue to follow the 'Pay for anything" trend. I (and many others) will not financially support a company that allows players with a lot of pocket change to progress undoubtedly faster than the player that actually plays the game.

It would be one thing if being vampire was purely an aesthetic choice, but its not, its a SKILL LINE.

How will they make any money adding bites to the store? Currently on xbox there isn't even a market for bites, all you need to do to get bitten is walk up to one of the shrines n you will get bitten you don't even have to ask

DenMoria wrote: »

So does this mean that "normal" non-vampire/werewolf players will become the vast minority?

Sounds like Underworld, Tamriel style.

Well that's the problem with most game, No one wants to be a plain humanoid creature with no special abilities. I mean in ESO you can be ten different races. 4 humans 3 elves 1 orc 1 lizard man 1 cat man. Take away their passives there really is no difference between the races expect cosmetic features(Sure Argonians and Khajiit have tails but you don't use them so they don't count). It is boring. This is not just ESO it is majority of fantasy games. No one has really broke this mold yet. WoW did a little bit with each races having a unique ability but it is very shallow.

That's were templates come in, (Big D&D player here watch out.) they allow us to go one step further and become more than "Random generic humanoid 52". If anything I think there should be even More templates in the game. The history is vast in the ES series. Different vampire types, Werebears, Werelions, Lich, ect ect. I mean ESO is a game about choice after all why would people want to deny what makes the game great?

In my honest opinion more games need to be more imaginative with their starting races. ESO could have done wonder with theirs like give Khajiit a claw attack that caused a bleed or Argonians the ability to spit poison or poisonous bite that causes a dot. Nope, They just left us with a generic humanoid character with tiny passive bonuses. YAY. To be completely honest one of the main reasons I play this game is the fact that you can be a vampire or werewolf and it is something completely separate from your class and race. It is a freaking bonus.

I guess in the end I want a game that allows me to be something more than a random generic humanoid. Mabey a creature with four arms or a Naga, Beholder(Watcher in eso),centaur, or even a dremora.(keep in mind this is not what I want for ESo. So please don't beat me down with the "LORE" comments.)

Until that day I will be happy to play my nord werewolf and my Argonian Dragon Knight (I pretend he is a half dragon XD)

Anybody dumb enough to pay for a bite should be milked for every cent by ZOS. They kind of have a moral obligation to do that.Somebody needs to fund this in order for it to be running.