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Stamina Nb for the win !!!
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Reeko✭✭✭✭Also i get the feeling nobody takes into account PvE. Its always PvP. Stamina nb dps dropped alot due to the sharpened mace fix from what i hear.0 -
Johngo0036✭✭✭✭✭Specific to NB the Refreshing Shadows passives went from 30% Stamina recovery to 15%. In trade they got %15 recovery to Health and Magicka. It not bad for Magicka NB's however losing that 15% puts a dent in Stamina NB sustain.
It's very good for the Magic NB. I was looking forward to that change..
I say not bad, because some players roll Wood Elf for Magicka NB when it's a more PVP focused character. With the changes to blocking and dodge rolling losing that extra stamina regen might hurt in PVP.
PVE though, it's pretty much yah free stats, gimme, gimme.
Being a Breton, Destro and Resto, it's perfect. I dodge very little, rather use my Cloak and the 15% helps more than the 30% stamina. Plus free health.
LMFAO!!!!!! PRETTY sure you aint a stamina build... As a Magicka NB you have no worries,
Use the Shield breaker set as magicka regen is not really required,
and nuke sorcs easily..
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Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Someone said it higher up but stamblades did not get a huge nerf but we lost due to a couple and lost more due to some 'fixes; we had benefited from before.
The reduction in stamina regen from our class passive by 15% hurt a bit.
The further 15% regen drop from those who were using the WW passive makes it hurt more.
Factor in the roll dodge thing and it can make resource management much harder.
I was never one of those people who roll dodged repeatedly BUT one dodge does not take you out of the range of a CC spamming DK or Sorc nor does it take you out of range of the larger ultis - that can cost you a fight if you are a squishy damage focused build.
Further pain points are around damage things manay of which were broken to begin with BUT they were what pulled a straight on stamin build into line with the better classes & magicka guys when it came to PvE content - things like having ravager up almost constantly, the penetration bug and so on. By fixing these we have lost significant burst and overall DPS - but to be fair the nerfs that caused this actually came in 2.0 not 2.1 but the various easily useable bugs have masked it since then.
So in short you have lost regen and you have lost damage both burst and sustained.
Add that you now have to contend with the overall damage nerf in PvP and for most the days of the stamina burst build NB are waning for now.
There are still plenty of ways to be effective but stamblades are not longer in the top half of the charts for build types, we're nearer being back where we were a year ago where we are viable but far from being people's first choice for running in a group.0 -
KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »The reduction in stamina regen from our class passive by 15% hurt a bit.
It hasn't hit me that hard at all. Khajiit now have a racial that adds stam regen.
It's 10%
So I have 25% increase
10% more then races (as NBs) who don't have this passive.
The added 15% mag regen is nice and helps with cloak. The 15% health regen on top of the Khajiit 20% health regen is nice too. And the 30% stam regen when killing something with a 2h hand ability...
Pretty well off.Edited by KhajiitiLizard on September 9, 2015 7:02AM0 -
Mitchblue✭✭✭✭Johngo0036 wrote: »Specific to NB the Refreshing Shadows passives went from 30% Stamina recovery to 15%. In trade they got %15 recovery to Health and Magicka. It not bad for Magicka NB's however losing that 15% puts a dent in Stamina NB sustain.
It's very good for the Magic NB. I was looking forward to that change..
I say not bad, because some players roll Wood Elf for Magicka NB when it's a more PVP focused character. With the changes to blocking and dodge rolling losing that extra stamina regen might hurt in PVP.
PVE though, it's pretty much yah free stats, gimme, gimme.
Being a Breton, Destro and Resto, it's perfect. I dodge very little, rather use my Cloak and the 15% helps more than the 30% stamina. Plus free health.
LMFAO!!!!!! PRETTY sure you aint a stamina build... As a Magicka NB you have no worries,
Use the Shield breaker set as magicka regen is not really required,
and nuke sorcs easily..
Never said I was stamina.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?0 -
R0M2K✭✭✭✭The OP asks for stamina NB, and stamina NB got hit hard both Pve and Pvp... Racials are a different subject.0 -
Xantaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wonder nobody is mentioning the sharpened fix? that was the only reason Stamina builds were competitive pre 2.1 ... now they are garbage ...Xantaria - Lead of Chimaira
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✭✭✭✭✭Wonder nobody is mentioning the sharpened fix? that was the only reason Stamina builds were competitive pre 2.1 ... now they are garbage ...
Well it was a bug and now it got fixed... maybe allocate more points into penetration instead of relying on a bug that ignored all armour.PS4 EU DC
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭Wonder nobody is mentioning the sharpened fix? that was the only reason Stamina builds were competitive pre 2.1 ... now they are garbage ...
I didn't use sharpened bug and I did pretty well.
Now I am doing more poorly though, due to the fact that burst damage doesn't mean anything with the damage reduction, and seeing as how stamina NB pretty much relies entirely on burst to be useful.0 -
Junglejim82✭✭✭Expect : Lfm wgt, no stamina nb.
Quoted for truth unfortunately. We will be the red headed step child nowJungleim
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✭✭We had our few months of being welcome in groups, now it's back to the back of the queue where we belong - all part of the change in devs and leads at ZOS I suspect.0 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭Siphoning Attacks No longer reduce damage
Power Extraction 20% more Damage
Merciless Resolve Proc after 4 light attacks instead of 8; The damage scales like ultimate so stamina users can hit for high damage too
Those are the 3 that are applicable to Stamina Nightblades,0 -
R0M2K✭✭✭✭Resipsa131 wrote: »Siphoning Attacks No longer reduce damage
Power Extraction 20% more Damage
Merciless Resolve Proc after 4 light attacks instead of 8; The damage scales like ultimate so stamina users can hit for high damage too
Those are the 3 that are applicable to Stamina Nightblades,
Wich Sta NB uses syphoning? Aint that for tanks????
Power extraction dmg is crap, DD use the mag morph just for the buff.
Merciless is nice but no room on the skill bar.
Keep talking...
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Resipsa131✭✭✭Resipsa131 wrote: »Siphoning Attacks No longer reduce damage
Power Extraction 20% more Damage
Merciless Resolve Proc after 4 light attacks instead of 8; The damage scales like ultimate so stamina users can hit for high damage too
Those are the 3 that are applicable to Stamina Nightblades,
Wich Sta NB uses syphoning? Aint that for tanks????
Power extraction dmg is crap, DD use the mag morph just for the buff.
Merciless is nice but no room on the skill bar.
Keep talking...
It was for tanks now with the buff it isn't. You can use SA on your AoE bar to Spam Steel Tornado, you couldn't feasibly do it before the buff on Stamina NB because your damage would be reduced by 15% that's no longer going to be an issue.
Power Extraction provides Major Brutality It can be used on your AoE bar to buff your damage on Steel Tornado by 20% in conjunction with Siphoning Attacks allowing you to keep spinning. As far as the damage its not as good as Steel Tornado but it is getting buffed by 20% so if you run 2H as opposed to DW it might be a viable AoE option. If its not being used look for it to get buffed again in the future.
Merciless Resolve provides; 1) your own personal combat prayer 2) Assassin Crit Passives fro being slotted, 3)14k damage (that is stamina free) as soon as you land 4 light attacks, I'd put it on my bow bar for sure if I were running a Stamina NB.0 -
Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Resipsa131 wrote: »Resipsa131 wrote: »Siphoning Attacks No longer reduce damage
Power Extraction 20% more Damage
Merciless Resolve Proc after 4 light attacks instead of 8; The damage scales like ultimate so stamina users can hit for high damage too
Those are the 3 that are applicable to Stamina Nightblades,
Wich Sta NB uses syphoning? Aint that for tanks????
Power extraction dmg is crap, DD use the mag morph just for the buff.
Merciless is nice but no room on the skill bar.
Keep talking...
It was for tanks now with the buff it isn't. You can use SA on your AoE bar to Spam Steel Tornado, you couldn't feasibly do it before the buff on Stamina NB because your damage would be reduced by 15% that's no longer going to be an issue.
Power Extraction provides Major Brutality It can be used on your AoE bar to buff your damage on Steel Tornado by 20% in conjunction with Siphoning Attacks allowing you to keep spinning. As far as the damage its not as good as Steel Tornado but it is getting buffed by 20% so if you run 2H as opposed to DW it might be a viable AoE option. If its not being used look for it to get buffed again in the future.
Merciless Resolve provides; 1) your own personal combat prayer 2) Assassin Crit Passives fro being slotted, 3)14k damage (that is stamina free) as soon as you land 4 light attacks, I'd put it on my bow bar for sure if I were running a Stamina NB.
You get major brutality now from flying blade. Leave the Power Extraction to Magicka NBs.
I prefer Relentless Focus for the bonus stamina. Assassin's will is meh unless you're bow light attack spamming.
Either way Stamblades are alive and well in 2.1.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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Resipsa131✭✭✭
This doesn't really address all the points I brought up about buffs but Power Extraction is a stamina ability magician users would use Sap Essence, Power Extraction is a low cost AoE that you can block while casting and doesn't require DW On your bar. Heck with the cost increase to Rally Power extraction might be better on a 2h/bow build.Resipsa131 wrote: »Resipsa131 wrote: »Siphoning Attacks No longer reduce damage
Power Extraction 20% more Damage
Merciless Resolve Proc after 4 light attacks instead of 8; The damage scales like ultimate so stamina users can hit for high damage too
Those are the 3 that are applicable to Stamina Nightblades,
Wich Sta NB uses syphoning? Aint that for tanks????
Power extraction dmg is crap, DD use the mag morph just for the buff.
Merciless is nice but no room on the skill bar.
Keep talking...
It was for tanks now with the buff it isn't. You can use SA on your AoE bar to Spam Steel Tornado, you couldn't feasibly do it before the buff on Stamina NB because your damage would be reduced by 15% that's no longer going to be an issue.
Power Extraction provides Major Brutality It can be used on your AoE bar to buff your damage on Steel Tornado by 20% in conjunction with Siphoning Attacks allowing you to keep spinning. As far as the damage its not as good as Steel Tornado but it is getting buffed by 20% so if you run 2H as opposed to DW it might be a viable AoE option. If its not being used look for it to get buffed again in the future.
Merciless Resolve provides; 1) your own personal combat prayer 2) Assassin Crit Passives fro being slotted, 3)14k damage (that is stamina free) as soon as you land 4 light attacks, I'd put it on my bow bar for sure if I were running a Stamina NB.
You get major brutality now from flying blade. Leave the Power Extraction to Magicka NBs.
I prefer Relentless Focus for the bonus stamina. Assassin's will is meh unless you're bow light attack spamming.
Either way Stamblades are alive and well in 2.1.
Relentless Focus procs on 4 hits too after the patch, it just doesn't have the damage and utility merciless resolve.
Edit this thread kind of makes me want to spec into stamina and do 2h/bow, maybe we could pay crowns to copy a character so I can have a magicka nb and staminaEdited by Resipsa131 on September 9, 2015 5:54PM0
