JDar wrote: »

I think PvE'ers are doing quite well in IC. I have had a lot of tough fights with them and while I certainly held my own and usually got the better of those less experienced in fighting human players, they proved a lot of PVE'ers fears unfounded.

I hope this DLC shows PVE'ers that it's not some kind of meat grinder with big bad old PvP'ers waiting to ruthlessly exploit and teabag/humiliate/demean innocent PVE sheep like some Randian dystopia. If you have PVE skills you can hang if you make smart adjustments and have good teamwork skills.

Except it is. Because any decent PvP guild will roll over every PvE group, regardless of whether or not they're outnumbered, why? Practice, organization, practice, organization.

I don't know about you guys, but the districts seem to be rather empty now. People are catching on.

Since IC started, I would log in to IC solo and travel in a circle through each district attempting to kill anyone in a group of 3 or less. I would usually end up in the district I started in with a thousand or more stones.

Now, the only people I see in the districts are deathmatchers with zero stones.

You recognize a PvE'er quick in IC in chat

"Why do you run in groups? you get more stones solo. Stop ruining my farming location"
"Nerf NB cloak, I get ganked all time"
(whisper) "Why did you attack me, I didn't attack you did I"

Ill not be grinding the lol jewelry sets they introduced, so as soon as I'm done with my Ancestors Silk, I'm gone.

It's a shame really. The zone art is masterfully done.

The system should be, when you kill a player you gain stones depending on how many stones they have, but they still get to keep theirs. 20% gain or something. Admittedly the numbers would have to be messed with, but I think it'd end up a lot better than the current system. Add a cooldown to it so you can't repeatedly kill someone with a gazillion stones and then buy everything.

As a nightblade I can choose my fights and ignore the huge amount of mobs in nearly all cases, but I feel sorry for all other classes.
I mean there is not a single district in the IC or room in the sewers without mobs having huge amount of health while dealing great amounts of damage.

Remove 50% of all mobs and add meaningful objectives to capture.
If someone isn't grinding, then there is literally no reason to stay in the sewers.
Once everyone did his quests and got his equip there won't be players inside IC anymore, but it's not like you find anything else than big groups anyway.

The worst thing? Population caps are so low that you won't even find enemies outside of IC currently.
Everyone is grinding, scared from dying sticking to the zerg and questing. Death doesn't mean anything since everyone banks their stones asap and solo play is nearly impossible as non nightblade.

I have a lot of fun running around in IC, but the amount of mobs, lack of zergbuster, reasons to stay at certain points in IC and not allowing any choices based on jewelery usage is nothing I could support.
I'm happy for the Bugfixes, but overall it got worse.

Im just wondering who's actually suprised a "PvP" DLC actually was a PVE fest.. i know i'm not suprised.

Xeven wrote: »

Since IC started, I would log in to IC solo and travel in a circle through each district attempting to kill anyone in a group of 3 or less. I would usually end up in the district I started in with a thousand or more stones.

Now, the only people I see in the districts are deathmatchers with zero stones.

It's simple: if you like to farm tel var stones, you just go into the sewers and kill mobs right in front the doors of your alliance's base. If you like to PVP, you deposite all your stones in the bank and then go to the surface :-)

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Im just wondering who's actually suprised a "PvP" DLC actually was a PVE fest.. i know i'm not suprised.

It's not so bad. I like the content and potential so far.

When they introduce gated access it will become a very very useful PvP mechanic. Currently Cyrodiil is dead and everyone is in IC, cause why not?

That said I really really wish they reduced the group size in IC to 12... or even 6. There is no part of the PvE content that cannot be done with 6 people and to be honest anything more than 3-4 decreases your stone accumulation speed anyway. And running blobs of more than 12 people is just ruining the fun for everyone else.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Im just wondering who's actually suprised a "PvP" DLC actually was a PVE fest.. i know i'm not suprised.

I kinda had hopes for some small scale in the city/sewers, but... well, I was a little bit too optimistic here. You win a small scale battle and shortly after the zerg comes... you try to scape, and some stupid boss melts you with 10k aoe hits. gg

Funnier is the fact that all bosses don't give a damn about cloak and mostly ignore dodge.
Sometimes I'm not even in visible range of the fire boss and he randomly places his AoE below me.
Undodgeable 13.5k dmg.
Melee against any of these bosses is like playing on hardcore mode and if you're lucky to have enemies with you they just have to stun you once..

Tonturri wrote: »

The system should be, when you kill a player you gain stones depending on how many stones they have, but they still get to keep theirs. 20% gain or something. Admittedly the numbers would have to be messed with, but I think it'd end up a lot better than the current system. Add a cooldown to it so you can't repeatedly kill someone with a gazillion stones and then buy everything.

With no lose, this would create a bad loophole. I could get with a buddy from a different faction and just take turns killing each other. Each kill would increase our combined TV stones exponentially.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

That said I really really wish they reduced the group size in IC to 12... or even 6. There is no part of the PvE content that cannot be done with 6 people and to be honest anything more than 3-4 decreases your stone accumulation speed anyway. And running blobs of more than 12 people is just ruining the fun for everyone else.

You do realize that reducing the size has absolutely nothing to do with stopping the zerg? Even if it was limited to 4, you would have 10 groups of 4 roaming around together. That is what we have seen in Cyrodil... three groups of 24 plus stragglers fighting together side by side. A smaller group number doesn't mean smaller groups.

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

That said I really really wish they reduced the group size in IC to 12... or even 6. There is no part of the PvE content that cannot be done with 6 people and to be honest anything more than 3-4 decreases your stone accumulation speed anyway. And running blobs of more than 12 people is just ruining the fun for everyone else.

You do realize that reducing the size has absolutely nothing to do with stopping the zerg? Even if it was limited to 4, you would have 10 groups of 4 roaming around together. That is what we have seen in Cyrodil... three groups of 24 plus stragglers fighting together side by side. A smaller group number doesn't mean smaller groups.

IC is not Cyrodiil though (well, technically it is but you know what I mean:P)

Having more than one group makes it harder to organise, not impossible but harder. Especially in the sewers where there's no obvious location to point out (like inner/outer breach, front/back flag etc.) and you can very easily lose sight of one another in the tight passages.

It's not the solution, not by a long stretch, but anything that makes blob organisation harder is for the best.