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Unmorphed skills more desirable than morphed = Desing flaw
R0M2K
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When an unmorphed skill is more desirable than any of its currents morphs its a desing flaw.
In particular im looking specially at the Bow skill line:
- Snipe:
Better than lethal arrow since it just scales with stamina, migthy and piercing.
Better than focused aim since awareness is not that evident.
- Scatter shot:
Better than Magnum shoot sine you are not knocked back.
Pretty sure theres plenty more, post yours.
In particular im looking specially at the Bow skill line:
- Snipe:
Better than lethal arrow since it just scales with stamina, migthy and piercing.
Better than focused aim since awareness is not that evident.
- Scatter shot:
Better than Magnum shoot sine you are not knocked back.
Pretty sure theres plenty more, post yours.
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For Magicka Nightblade I keep Teleport Strike unmorphed because Lotus Fan sucks. It's other morph Ambush is fantastic, but for stam builds.2 -
nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uhm focused aim is 100 sniper shot + bonuses. Bad example since there is nothing in focused aim there is worse that sniper shot.
Lotus fan on the other hand is bad, even with the buffs it received this path. Magicka nbs are much better off using concealed weapon from the shadow line.0 -
Anlaemar✭✭✭Inner fire.
Won't use the stamina morph because that ruins the point of having it. Other morph increases chance of synergy. Useless.(NA) Anlaemar with 750+ Champion Points
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willymchilybily✭✭✭✭the knock back from magnum shot is done to you and so will occur regardless of whether the NPC/player is CC immune no? This is what i find happens to me anyway and it is quite helpful avoiding melee ranged aggressors and much cheaper than a dodge roll.For me the bow is the best stamina weapon in game at the moment for versatility/kiting. Particularly for stamina setups where there seems a general lack of CC from stamina abilities for some classes.Edited by willymchilybily on September 7, 2015 8:17AMPSN - WarpPigeon - Guild: TheSyndicate - EU, Ebonheart PactDragon Knight [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Magicka] - 720 - Flawless ConquerorTemplar [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofDragon Knight [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Stamina] - 7203 -
Xantaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Inner fire.
Won't use the stamina morph because that ruins the point of having it. Other morph increases chance of synergy. Useless.
Wrong.
That Synergy is absolutely devastating and does a crazy amoung of aoe and even singletarget. Charges up multiple dmg ticks on 1 target and then goes for a big boom.
It was *** a while ago ... but with the changes in 1.6 it became superstrong.Edited by Xantaria on September 7, 2015 8:29AMXantaria - Lead of Chimaira
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »Lotus fan on the other hand is bad, even with the buffs it received this path. Magicka nbs are much better off using concealed weapon from the shadow line.
I do use concealed weapon as well, but it's a terrible gap closer0 -
R0M2K✭✭✭✭Man Focused aim sucks, you telling everybody in 50m theres a sniper near, hold block...0
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorcerers do not have your petty problems, mortals.
As much as I hate to be that guy... You do have a point. As my main character is a Sorcerer, I can honestly say that I do not have these problems of which they speak. Every thing that gets morphed becomes better than the previous. Whether it be Crystal Shard into Crystal Fragments. Conjured Ward into Hardened Ward. Dark Exchange into Dark Conversion. So on and so forth. >_>0 -
Ryuho✭✭✭✭For Magicka Nightblade I keep Teleport Strike unmorphed because Lotus Fan sucks. It's other morph Ambush is fantastic, but for stam builds.
@Alucardo they fixed lotus fan.. it deals now same dmg as teleport strike + place dot with 70% snare.. imo is much better than teleport strike, agree that b4 2.1 (1.7) teleport strike was better, but not now..The Farron family team (EU)
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Alucardo they fixed lotus fan.. it deals now same dmg as teleport strike + place dot with 70% snare.. imo is much better than teleport strike, agree that b4 2.1 (1.7) teleport strike was better, but not now..
@Ryuho it was fixed?? Thanks for the heads up, and I'll definitely be checking this one out0 -
Ryuho✭✭✭✭@Alucardo they fixed lotus fan.. it deals now same dmg as teleport strike + place dot with 70% snare.. imo is much better than teleport strike, agree that b4 2.1 (1.7) teleport strike was better, but not now..
@Ryuho it was fixed?? Thanks for the heads up, and I'll definitely be checking this one out
@Alucardo yep, as i wrote, dmg is same as teleport strike + applies dot/snare, so no point of using teleport strike now
Edited by Ryuho on September 7, 2015 9:39AMThe Farron family team (EU)
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, this seems like the right place to post this. Killers blade, its the stam morph from assassination tree, the execute. It deals magic damage, scales of thaumaturge. Wich is pretty crappy...for stambuilds
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nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »Lotus fan on the other hand is bad, even with the buffs it received this path. Magicka nbs are much better off using concealed weapon from the shadow line.
I do use concealed weapon as well, but it's a terrible gap closer
Use debilitate then shadow cloak then close. Your target either move at 60% speed or have to spend stamina to break free and you move at 165% speed closing in while invisible. (Of course you need to be a vamp or use night silence set)0 -
willymchilybily✭✭✭✭Well, this seems like the right place to post this. Killers blade, its the stam morph from assassination tree, the execute. It deals magic damage, scales of thaumaturge. Wich is pretty crappy...for stambuilds
stamina morph scaling off magicka sounds like a bug/ Not as intended i thought all some of those got fixed?PSN - WarpPigeon - Guild: TheSyndicate - EU, Ebonheart PactDragon Knight [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Magicka] - 720 - Flawless ConquerorTemplar [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofDragon Knight [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Stamina] - 7200 -
hrothbern✭✭✭✭✭
✭"Unmorphed skills more desirable than morphed = Desing flaw""
@ROM2K,
I do not think it is a design flaw,
I think it is caused by the structural change of the design by making Stamina Abilities out of Magicka Abilities.
This change was based on a the wishes of a big part of the community
but it also leads to an inconsistent logical/conceptual structure
Teleport Strike is a nice example. Before this change to Stamina, Teleport had two Magicka morphs, now the high 1vs1 damage morph is Stamina based and Magicka players looking for Damage keep the ability unmorphed (and keep in PVE the stun)
A more structural CLEAN solution would have been to ADD a Stamina morph.
But that would have been a lot of coding and would have increased the costs.
But it would have kept the program/logic structure clean & transparent !!!
This morphing issue, is just another conceptual ESO issue. I fear that because of all too many wild and inconsistent conceptual changes, the program is already more like spaghetty than something well structured.
This means lots of small bugs in an intransparent mess, difficult to trace and to remedy.
and to be clear... I love TES and I love this fantastic game... and notwithstanding all these glitches... I think the ZOS Devs & Coding Team is doing a terrific good job
I am not an insider of ZOS, but from a distance I would recommend more resources for the long term health of this game.
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✭Hmm, theres a difference between 'making it worse' and 'not worth the skillpoint'.
A morph might give an extremely neglible bonus, that makes no noticeable difference - but that doesnt make it worse than the unmorphed version. Perhaps a design flaw still, but for a different reason.
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Kronosphere✭✭✭✭yeah no one has really said anything that is worse than unmorphed yet...~House Indoril~
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Zlater✭✭✭Inner fire.
Won't use the stamina morph because that ruins the point of having it. Other morph increases chance of synergy. Useless.
Wrong.
That Synergy is absolutely devastating and does a crazy amoung of aoe and even singletarget. Charges up multiple dmg ticks on 1 target and then goes for a big boom.
It was *** a while ago ... but with the changes in 1.6 it became superstrong.
I disagree, using the morph is extremely situation, otherwise it's not a good idea. Let me explain:
The only peeps who should be activating the synnergy on this skill are your DD's who need to be in melee range to get the most out of their rotation. When your DD's are standing beside the boss, they are in their highest DPS rotation and would very likely be pulling between 15-30k at that specific point in time. I found it takes around an average of about 1 second of 'f' key mashing to finally get the synergy to activate. I don't know about you but I find synergies to be very finicky at the best of times, that why its only the tank that should be hitting synergies. It has a lot of burst potential; but on a tank, who is the only guy using it, due to the typically measly 15-18k Magicka, ~1100-1800 spell damage and low crit rate, you're burst isn't worth tempting the DD's with who could actually be on-time with their rotation.
However like how you would have been hit, in PvP where taunting doesn't work, and all that's left is the jacked up amount of Damage this skill's synnergy can do, all thats required is a buddy and TS then this skill suddenly becomes worth morphing.
Even though on paper it is better to morph this skill, in practice it's advised against it. Any good tank will know this.Ask for an invite to the greatest network of guilds ever. Redfur Trading, Redfur Exchange and Redfur Army!
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R0M2K✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »yeah no one has really said anything that is worse than unmorphed yet...
What about the BIG JESUS LIGHT above your head telling you: MY DEAR SON, YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET A NASTY ARROW TO THE KNEE, PLEASE HOLD THE BLOCK KEY.
Thats the difference in using Snipe or Focused aim.
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✭✭✭✭✭Unless they've fixed it, Impale still has a stupidly long cast time between uses in comparison to Assassin's Blade and Killer's Blade. The range upgrade is nice, but on a magicka build, I'll keep the base version, thanks.0 -
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✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »yeah no one has really said anything that is worse than unmorphed yet...
What about the BIG JESUS LIGHT above your head telling you: MY DEAR SON, YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET A NASTY ARROW TO THE KNEE, PLEASE HOLD THE BLOCK KEY.
Thats the difference in using Snipe or Focused aim.
Most people know they are being sniped from the audio. Besides if you hold block down while waiting for the snipe to land you're not doing your stamina pool any favors. Sometimes on my nb i'll just hit someone with mark just to drive them mad.0 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Sooo having the "OPTION" to morph and not doing do is a design flaw?
Please explain....
I mean it is an OPTION not something you must do.. I guess the game should just use a skill tree system from the ground up?
Of all the problems with this game I find this to be wayyyyyyyyyyy down on the list.Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't remember the name, but Stonefist (DK - Earthen heart) has a morph that heals a nearby target, but also deals less damage.
...Like this skill deals SO MUCH DAMAGE in the first place, that a plain upgrade would make it OP, so it needs reduced damaged.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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R0M2K✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »yeah no one has really said anything that is worse than unmorphed yet...
What about the BIG JESUS LIGHT above your head telling you: MY DEAR SON, YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET A NASTY ARROW TO THE KNEE, PLEASE HOLD THE BLOCK KEY.
Thats the difference in using Snipe or Focused aim.
Most people know they are being sniped from the audio. Besides if you hold block down while waiting for the snipe to land you're not doing your stamina pool any favors. Sometimes on my nb i'll just hit someone with mark just to drive them mad.
You cant compare the audio lost mixed with all the enviroment to the BIG GOD LIGHT.
Keep using Focused aim baby.1 -
willymchilybily✭✭✭✭Kronosphere wrote: »yeah no one has really said anything that is worse than unmorphed yet...
What about the BIG JESUS LIGHT above your head telling you: MY DEAR SON, YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET A NASTY ARROW TO THE KNEE, PLEASE HOLD THE BLOCK KEY.
Thats the difference in using Snipe or Focused aim.
This more falls into good in PVP vs good in PVE no? surely you take lethal arrow for the major defile for pvp anyway? so more like a PVP vs a PVE morph? not poor design necessarily. its not like the long shots passive can go above 12% anyway
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭willymchilybily wrote: »Kronosphere wrote: »yeah no one has really said anything that is worse than unmorphed yet...
What about the BIG JESUS LIGHT above your head telling you: MY DEAR SON, YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET A NASTY ARROW TO THE KNEE, PLEASE HOLD THE BLOCK KEY.
Thats the difference in using Snipe or Focused aim.
This more falls into good in PVP vs good in PVE no? surely you take lethal arrow for the major defile for pvp anyway? so more like a PVP vs a PVE morph? not poor design necessarily. its not like the long shots passive can go above 12% anyway
Especially for Dragon Knights.0
