Shield breaker - are you kidding????

Lord_Hev · September 2015

I still cannot believe no one realizes that the set is actually legitimately broken. It procs on everything. I was taking constant 2k procs on my DK with no shield, just blocking... and my health was dropping from light attack spam from a single bow user.

The set needs adjustment. Either a cool-down, or a damage reduction, or something.

KhajiitiLizard · September 2015

It's a really really good stamina set even without the 5 piece bonus. As long as they leave the 2-4 piece bonuses I don't care what they do to the 5 piece.

eliisra · September 2015

Lord_Hev wrote: »

I still cannot believe no one realizes that the set is actually legitimately broken. It procs on everything. I was taking constant 2k procs on my DK with no shield, just blocking... and my health was dropping from light attack spam from a single bow user.

The set needs adjustment. Either a cool-down, or a damage reduction, or something.

Because *** are so butthurt about 1.6 sorcs, they can't see other fundamentally broken issues with this set

hammayolettuce · September 2015

eliisra wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

I still cannot believe no one realizes that the set is actually legitimately broken. It procs on everything. I was taking constant 2k procs on my DK with no shield, just blocking... and my health was dropping from light attack spam from a single bow user.

The set needs adjustment. Either a cool-down, or a damage reduction, or something.

Because *** are so butthurt about 1.6 sorcs, they can't see other fundamentally broken issues with this set

They will cry if every DK just runs around spamming igneous and they die to the set realizing they cant out heal it.

Nivzruo_ESO · September 2015

OhItsReckt wrote: »

FYI the shield breakers 5/5 set bonus only deals damage against the shield. Without an active shield, it won't harm you, and it only triggers on a light attack. I'm not fully seeing how this is OP? Simply stop abusing shields and this won't bother you at all, then guess what, now you have everyone running around with 5/5 shield breaker, almost half of their armor slots invested just to counter one game breaking feature. Now you don't have to worry about any of the useful 5/5 armor sets. GG. Stop crying.

Nailed it.

hammayolettuce · September 2015

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

OhItsReckt wrote: »

FYI the shield breakers 5/5 set bonus only deals damage against the shield. Without an active shield, it won't harm you, and it only triggers on a light attack. I'm not fully seeing how this is OP? Simply stop abusing shields and this won't bother you at all, then guess what, now you have everyone running around with 5/5 shield breaker, almost half of their armor slots invested just to counter one game breaking feature. Now you don't have to worry about any of the useful 5/5 armor sets. GG. Stop crying.

Nailed it.

So classes like NB or Sorc with no class heal should be penalized for using Healing ward? before the ward even does its burst heal you are dead from a set with no cooldown. Not only are the light attacks plus w.e. attack they weave doing dmg to the shield you are also taking irresistible health dmg.

How can you justify this as being ok?

UltimaJoe777 · September 2015

All you people ever do is cry about game mechanics.

Waaah! Dragonknight leaped me off a wall or is too tankish and impossible to kill as an emperor!
Waaah! Sorcerer keeps running away with Bolt Escape!
Waaah! Templar's heals are making siege groups unkillable!
Waaah! Nightblades are killing me because of Stealth and Invisibility!

Seriously... I honestly feel sorry for Zenimax because you people see to it that they can't win for losing. Might as well just disable every single active skill in the game while in Cyrodiil and force Light and Heavy attacks only. While were at it let's remove Siege Weapons and Keeps and just turn Cyrodiil into a giant mindlessly boring arena where everyone is that two-trick pony so everyone is balanced. Oh and let's also set everyone's stats to an equal amount regardless of level and champion points so no one has an advantage or disadvantage. Let's also make it so you do only 1 on 1s with random players so no one can complain about zerging and ganking and stuff. Would that make everyone happy? You'd no longer have anything to cry about.

Now then on a debatable note this set is really not that big a deal when you think about it. It's a 5-piece set which means only people with a true paranoia of and/or weakness to damage shields will run it over the dozens of alternative options that would likely prove more useful to them in general lest they simply swap Armor sets as need be. Also keep in mind that Sorcerers are not the only class that utilize damage shields so don't be such drama queens. And before you say anything yes I use Annulment on my Sorcerer but I do not see this as a potential problem but rather a challenge as well as a way to know who is running what.

CP5 · September 2015

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

OhItsReckt wrote: »

FYI the shield breakers 5/5 set bonus only deals damage against the shield. Without an active shield, it won't harm you, and it only triggers on a light attack. I'm not fully seeing how this is OP? Simply stop abusing shields and this won't bother you at all, then guess what, now you have everyone running around with 5/5 shield breaker, almost half of their armor slots invested just to counter one game breaking feature. Now you don't have to worry about any of the useful 5/5 armor sets. GG. Stop crying.

Nailed it.

That post was incorrect as far as i've seen. The damage does not get done against the shield, its direct to health, its true without an active shield it shouldn't proc but with light and heavy attacks procing it then you can use it very frequently. You have no say if you get a shield from someone nearby or some random passive so this is suicide for some people to use and isn't just a "nerf those evil shield stacking sorc" set.

Artheiron · September 2015

I don't understand why they nerfed bolt escape and dodge roll and block regen.

bolt escape, it never was the problem imo, there are lots of gap closers in this game. they needed to nerf shields/survivability tweak damage little bit and that's all. let skilled players do their thing.

dodge roll, once there were skills went through the dodge roll like whip, curse/mines, concealed weapons, rad destruction. it really felt like rock paper scissors, but now it just feels weird.

block casting, not gonna lie this was an issue, but nerfing something worked well for pve? they could have improved some skills to bypass blocking to keep the action-reaction feeling in fights alive instead.

it didn't happen. ./sadface.

Sharee · September 2015

CP5 wrote: »

You have no say if you get a shield from someone nearby or some random passive so this is suicide for some people to use and isn't just a "nerf those evil shield stacking sorc" set.

Let's say i get a shield from someone nearby and some enemy who also is nearby will shoot me with a bow light attack. The shield will absorb the light attack, and i will take 2K damage from the shieldbreaker proc.

Without that shield, i would take the 2K damage(and possibly much more) from the light attack instead.

<shrug>

CP5 · September 2015

Sharee wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

You have no say if you get a shield from someone nearby or some random passive so this is suicide for some people to use and isn't just a "nerf those evil shield stacking sorc" set.

Let's say i get a shield from someone nearby and some enemy who also is nearby will shoot me with a bow light attack. The shield will absorb the light attack, and i will take 2K damage from the shieldbreaker proc.

Without that shield, i would take the 2K damage(and possibly much more) from the light attack instead.

<shrug>

Depends, or you could be at very low health, get a healing ward for a decent sized shield, and I suspect the mentality will form that when someone with this set sees shields on their targets health bar they'll go ham. Its just an angle I want people to see, regardless of how small.

Ryuho · September 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

All you people ever do is cry about game mechanics.

Waaah! Dragonknight leaped me off a wall or is too tankish and impossible to kill as an emperor!
Waaah! Sorcerer keeps running away with Bolt Escape!
Waaah! Templar's heals are making siege groups unkillable!
Waaah! Nightblades are killing me because of Stealth and Invisibility!

Seriously... I honestly feel sorry for Zenimax because you people see to it that they can't win for losing. Might as well just disable every single active skill in the game while in Cyrodiil and force Light and Heavy attacks only. While were at it let's remove Siege Weapons and Keeps and just turn Cyrodiil into a giant mindlessly boring arena where everyone is that two-trick pony so everyone is balanced. Oh and let's also set everyone's stats to an equal amount regardless of level and champion points so no one has an advantage or disadvantage. Let's also make it so you do only 1 on 1s with random players so no one can complain about zerging and ganking and stuff. Would that make everyone happy? You'd no longer have anything to cry about.

Now then on a debatable note this set is really not that big a deal when you think about it. It's a 5-piece set which means only people with a true paranoia of and/or weakness to damage shields will run it over the dozens of alternative options that would likely prove more useful to them in general lest they simply swap Armor sets as need be. Also keep in mind that Sorcerers are not the only class that utilize damage shields so don't be such drama queens. And before you say anything yes I use Annulment on my Sorcerer but I do not see this as a potential problem but rather a challenge as well as a way to know who is running what.

Agree, maybe time to slot some heal instead of healing ward and shieldstack?

Sharee · September 2015

CP5 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

You have no say if you get a shield from someone nearby or some random passive so this is suicide for some people to use and isn't just a "nerf those evil shield stacking sorc" set.

Let's say i get a shield from someone nearby and some enemy who also is nearby will shoot me with a bow light attack. The shield will absorb the light attack, and i will take 2K damage from the shieldbreaker proc.

Without that shield, i would take the 2K damage(and possibly much more) from the light attack instead.

<shrug>

Depends, or you could be at very low health, get a healing ward for a decent sized shield, and I suspect the mentality will form that when someone with this set sees shields on their targets health bar they'll go ham. Its just an angle I want people to see, regardless of how small.

When someone sees me at very low health, they will shoot me regardless of whether they see a shield on me or not.

CP5 · September 2015

Sharee wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

You have no say if you get a shield from someone nearby or some random passive so this is suicide for some people to use and isn't just a "nerf those evil shield stacking sorc" set.

Let's say i get a shield from someone nearby and some enemy who also is nearby will shoot me with a bow light attack. The shield will absorb the light attack, and i will take 2K damage from the shieldbreaker proc.

Without that shield, i would take the 2K damage(and possibly much more) from the light attack instead.

<shrug>

Depends, or you could be at very low health, get a healing ward for a decent sized shield, and I suspect the mentality will form that when someone with this set sees shields on their targets health bar they'll go ham. Its just an angle I want people to see, regardless of how small.

When someone sees me at very low health, they will shoot me regardless of whether they see a shield on me or not.

Just thinking that if they see shields they will be careful to get in as many light attacks as they can, and at low health but with a decent sized shield on you. Anywho that's just my kinda moot point.

SeptimusDova · September 2015

There Is a problem with this set!!!! Well actually TWO (2) problemos.

Wait Threee problems...

1. Cost
2. Damage type
3. Availability

Solution for 1. Reduce price to One gold for the entire set.

Solution for 2. Break shields only to 10%. At ten percent a heavy attack proc applies a permanent persist for duration of account Total Dark upon the character.Or standard eclipse.

Solution for 3. All blacksmiths sell this set

I think this is a great Idea and great for the long term health of the game. Shields are for defense from mud-crabs and lurchers.

Barring the above changes

Buff it to the moon

mrskinskull · September 2015

NDwarf wrote: »

I never hear of shield breaker set. Now I want one (unskilled NB Bow ganker here). Thanks for the info

Seriously tho, Sorcs were the only class I avoided. I straight up hit one with a siege weapon, dead on, cause I couldn't even scratch his shield with my bow. Dude shrugged it off and killed me so fast there wasn't even a death animation. Just a "hey why is my guy standing there not moving" then a death recap.

Paybacks a coming bruh!

Too true.

Artheiron · September 2015

how about sorc scripting, is that still a thing? a scripter friend of mine told me that now it's draining stamina much faster.

Resipsa131 · September 2015

Draxys wrote: »

NGP wrote: »

We can still run faster to gather mats at crag.

until the NB uses maneuvers with concealed weapon

rekt gg

You won't have concealed weapon as a Stamina based NB, if you're Magicka you won't gave the stamina to maintain

Jaronking · September 2015

CP5 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I think they should make this a 2 piece set.It would be better for everyone.

When I say everyone I Mean everyone who isn't a unskilled Sorc.I don't care about Sorc being OP since most are to unskilled to even be a problem if you take down their shields most don't know what to do and just let you kill them.L2p and this set won't be a problem its that simple.

How you dare to tell to our Sorc Overlord to L2P! Apparently according to this forum all sorc player are good,and every counter to their class should be removed since they are unfair,and everyone who complaining about sorc is a noob who need to L2P

Your right please forgive me my Sorc Overlord I will never speak out against you again. ZOS please remove this set so my Overlords may stay OP.I mean on equal ground with all other classes.

Unacceptable, in addition to this all damage shields now need to include damage as well, and should deal 100% of their strength as damage to anyone who dares strike them. Only then will there be balance.

Yes Overlord I will make it happen and slaughter the nahh Sayers.

CP5 · September 2015

Jaronking wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I think they should make this a 2 piece set.It would be better for everyone.

When I say everyone I Mean everyone who isn't a unskilled Sorc.I don't care about Sorc being OP since most are to unskilled to even be a problem if you take down their shields most don't know what to do and just let you kill them.L2p and this set won't be a problem its that simple.

How you dare to tell to our Sorc Overlord to L2P! Apparently according to this forum all sorc player are good,and every counter to their class should be removed since they are unfair,and everyone who complaining about sorc is a noob who need to L2P

Your right please forgive me my Sorc Overlord I will never speak out against you again. ZOS please remove this set so my Overlords may stay OP.I mean on equal ground with all other classes.

Unacceptable, in addition to this all damage shields now need to include damage as well, and should deal 100% of their strength as damage to anyone who dares strike them. Only then will there be balance.

Yes Overlord I will make it happen and slaughter the nahh Sayers.

With our armies of overpowered pets and un-reflectable attacks nothing can stop the sorcerers!

Velukodi · September 2015

Yeah I completely agree with you Eru

Axyredo · September 2015

The shield break set will ruin the entire sorc class. Please do something zos!

BigTone · September 2015

So I have a few problems with this.
One is the fact that the only reliable skill for sorcs and NBs to heal is healing ward, which is a shield in itself.
Another is that if someone nearby hits me with their healing ward, I am now vulnerable to this set.
Finally over 2k dmg with light attacks is simply too much. A weighted bow fires too rapidly to this.

Jaronking · September 2015

SeptimusDova wrote: »

There Is a problem with this set!!!! Well actually TWO (2) problemos.

Wait Threee problems...

1. Cost
2. Damage type
3. Availability

Solution for 1. Reduce price to One gold for the entire set.

Solution for 2. Break shields only to 10%. At ten percent a heavy attack proc applies a permanent persist for duration of account Total Dark upon the character.Or standard eclipse.

Solution for 3. All blacksmiths sell this set

I think this is a great Idea and great for the long term health of the game. Shields are for defense from mud-crabs and lurchers.

Barring the above changes

Buff it to the moon

You just won the internet sir.Can I become your Apprentice.

BigTone · September 2015

Ryuho wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

All you people ever do is cry about game mechanics.

Waaah! Dragonknight leaped me off a wall or is too tankish and impossible to kill as an emperor!
Waaah! Sorcerer keeps running away with Bolt Escape!
Waaah! Templar's heals are making siege groups unkillable!
Waaah! Nightblades are killing me because of Stealth and Invisibility!

Seriously... I honestly feel sorry for Zenimax because you people see to it that they can't win for losing. Might as well just disable every single active skill in the game while in Cyrodiil and force Light and Heavy attacks only. While were at it let's remove Siege Weapons and Keeps and just turn Cyrodiil into a giant mindlessly boring arena where everyone is that two-trick pony so everyone is balanced. Oh and let's also set everyone's stats to an equal amount regardless of level and champion points so no one has an advantage or disadvantage. Let's also make it so you do only 1 on 1s with random players so no one can complain about zerging and ganking and stuff. Would that make everyone happy? You'd no longer have anything to cry about.

Now then on a debatable note this set is really not that big a deal when you think about it. It's a 5-piece set which means only people with a true paranoia of and/or weakness to damage shields will run it over the dozens of alternative options that would likely prove more useful to them in general lest they simply swap Armor sets as need be. Also keep in mind that Sorcerers are not the only class that utilize damage shields so don't be such drama queens. And before you say anything yes I use Annulment on my Sorcerer but I do not see this as a potential problem but rather a challenge as well as a way to know who is running what.

Agree, maybe time to slot some heal instead of healing ward and shieldstack?

Which heal do you recommend for me? The only real one I have is a shield itself. Give Sorc a reliable heal and I don't mind this set as much.

CP5 · September 2015

BigTone wrote: »

So I have a few problems with this.
One is the fact that the only reliable skill for sorcs and NBs to heal is healing ward, which is a shield in itself.
Another is that if someone nearby hits me with their healing ward, I am now vulnerable to this set.
Finally over 2k dmg with light attacks is simply too much. A weighted bow fires too rapidly to this.

Good luck saying that. People I try to tell this to get so caught up in 'l2p just don't use shields' or 'good those sorcs deserve it, what? other classes use shields?'

Jaronking · September 2015

I wonder do everyone realized this is ZOS answers to Zerg.They release multiple sets in the recent patch that when in a group will give you a damage shield to your entire group.Imagine running this against a Zerg with those shields giving set will be destoryed so all of you need to thank ZOS for this set.

Force-Siphon · September 2015

Everyone knows this set is either gonna be completely reworked or nerfed...I have had a lot of fun fighting 1v1 against some ppl using shield breaker but there are also now ppl running around with the sole purpose of griefing sorcs. First thing to do mage friends is report these players if they are hate whispering, etc.

I want to start working with other sorcs to theory craft counters to this as the meta evolves bc while I'm convinced that changes will be made to the set it will probably not happen until orsinium lol. Again it has been a fun challenge fighting players with shield breaker set but clearly the griefing is starting to increase as more bads get their hands on the set.

BigTone · September 2015

Jaronking wrote: »

I wonder do everyone realized this is ZOS answers to Zerg.They release multiple sets in the recent patch that when in a group will give you a damage shield to your entire group.Imagine running this against a Zerg with those shields giving set will be destoryed so all of you need to thank ZOS for this set.

Do you really expect to light attack a zerg down? Have you ever PvPed before?

CP5 · September 2015

Jaronking wrote: »

I wonder do everyone realized this is ZOS answers to Zerg.They release multiple sets in the recent patch that when in a group will give you a damage shield to your entire group.Imagine running this against a Zerg with those shields giving set will be destoryed so all of you need to thank ZOS for this set.

One of the bright sides I see to this set, but sadly its tied to the whole idea that allies helping you ends up with you getting killed.

@Force-Siphon, gl with those talks, i'm in the boat of just seeing where this goes but i'm more than doubtful how good this set will be if left unchanged for a while.