Shield breaker - are you kidding????

BalticBlues · September 2015

Indeed, the Shield Breaker set is putting shields and shielded players UPSIDE DOWN:

Shields are meant to PROTECT people from damage.
With the Shield Breaker set, shields instead become a MAGNET for damage.

Shields are becoming USELESS if people cannot risk using them
because the "attracted damage" kills them faster than being naked.

The current DAMAGE OUTPUT of the Shield Breaker set is beyond belief.
Perhaps make it 10% of the current value, then we may have a foundation to work with.

Alternatively, the devs could also introduce a Cloak Breaking set to break NBs as well. After all class skills are made unplayable, we all share the same fate and the can fight naked.

NDwarf · September 2015

I never hear of shield breaker set. Now I want one (unskilled NB Bow ganker here). Thanks for the info

Seriously tho, Sorcs were the only class I avoided. I straight up hit one with a siege weapon, dead on, cause I couldn't even scratch his shield with my bow. Dude shrugged it off and killed me so fast there wasn't even a death animation. Just a "hey why is my guy standing there not moving" then a death recap.

Paybacks a coming bruh!

leepalmer95 · September 2015

NDwarf wrote: »

I never hear of shield breaker set. Now I want one (unskilled NB Bow ganker here). Thanks for the info

Seriously tho, Sorcs were the only class I avoided. I straight up hit one with a siege weapon, dead on, cause I couldn't even scratch his shield with my bow. Dude shrugged it off and killed me so fast there wasn't even a death animation. Just a "hey why is my guy standing there not moving" then a death recap.

Paybacks a coming bruh!

Well a siege should never kill a half decent player, a simple, cloak, purge or just simply out heal the dmg is very easy to do.

They killed you so fast as your a nb ganker, your a complete glass cannon build who spams 1 button, you have no hp ^^

SeptimusDova · September 2015

BUFF shield Breaker. BUFF IT TO THE MOOON !!!!!!

80k non crit hits. with 10X Bow speed multiplier and 5X bow range multiplier !!!!!!

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

SeptimusDova wrote: »

BUFF shield Breaker. BUFF IT TO THE MOOON !!!!!!

80k non crit hits. with 10X Bow speed multiplier and 5X bow range multiplier !!!!!!

Ew. What am I reading?

Sublime · September 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

SeptimusDova wrote: »

BUFF shield Breaker. BUFF IT TO THE MOOON !!!!!!

80k non crit hits. with 10X Bow speed multiplier and 5X bow range multiplier !!!!!!

Ew. What am I reading?

Irony.

phairdon · September 2015

Agony - thrown by duel wield pve enemy is unblockable (discovered tonight), actually breaks any blocking. Was not the case prior to the latest patch. Is this a problem in pvp too?

eNumbra · September 2015

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class.

Oh man, I haven't laughed that hard in ages.

Garion · September 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class.

Oh man, I haven't laughed that hard in ages.

As a sorc I don't find it so funny

only the bad NBs attempt to claim they aren't strong. The one's that realise just how strong they are pretend they are underpowered so they don't get nerfed!

SeptimusDova · September 2015

Garion it is pet envy you get two free pets, No one else gets free pets. A fully decked out sorc is a travelling Zoo

eNumbra · September 2015

Garion wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class.

Oh man, I haven't laughed that hard in ages.

As a sorc I don't find it so funny only the bad NBs attempt to claim they aren't strong. The one's that realise just how strong they are pretend they are underpowered so they don't get nerfed!

All the classes are strong when played properly but the notion that NBs are Zenimax's favorite?

Were you here at release? Dragonknights. There was no conceivable way Dragonknights were allowed to make it to release without someone outright ignoring them - add to that, the fact that NBs were broken for the first 6 months.

And for the record, I don't find it funny that everyone complained about the stealth style of gameplay for NBs hitting too hard - but if I say that out loud, I'm just a "no-skill trying to protect my OP style of play."

Shield-stacking was OP - was OP from release. There were many suggestions up to now on how to balance it and Zenimax has only just gotten around to it.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class.

Oh man, I haven't laughed that hard in ages.

As a sorc I don't find it so funny only the bad NBs attempt to claim they aren't strong. The one's that realise just how strong they are pretend they are underpowered so they don't get nerfed!

All the classes are strong when played properly but the notion that NBs are Zenimax's favorite?

Were you here at release? Dragonknights. There was no conceivable way Dragonknights were allowed to make it to release without someone outright ignoring them - add to that, the fact that NBs were broken for the first 6 months.

DK's are now nerfed to the ground, they can be strong if played by a good player, but nb's are strong when played by average players ^^ and insanely strong when played by a good player

SeptimusDova · September 2015

I wanna see Blinxeys build versus shield breaker !!!!!!!

eNumbra · September 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

DK's are now nerfed to the ground, they can be strong if played by a good player, but nb's are strong when played by average players ^^ and insanely strong when played by a good player

Yes. Zenimax does eventually balance everything. They take their time; but NBs strong with an average player? Eh. Survive the burst and NBs are squishy and easy.

IKilled007 · September 2015

Erudition wrote: »

Okay so i started a thread about this and got nowhere but this needs to get fixed.

The weak players who cried about good sorcs have ruined it for all sorcs. Meanwhile good nb's dk's and temp's are having a party.

Shield breaker is an absolute joke combined with the bolt escape nerf and the shield nerf. Good sorcs are useless this patch against that stupidly ill-conceived set.

Last time i raised this a whole heap of useless nb forum warriors (who cant even play well when they are op) pretending to be sorcs disagreed with me (what a joke that was).

If you are going to have a shield breaker set please make a cloak breaker set, a wing breaker set and a jabs breaker (with crazy heals) set.

This game is stupidly biased against sorcs and we need to get this fixed fast or 25% of the players in this game will eventually quit.

I personally can live with it because i have all 3 other classses and can play them if needed but my first love was sorc and it has been rekked by the stupid cry babies on these forums who have overnerfed sorcs by a mile. As for you sorcs who lets this happen and didnt get involved shame on you and please get focused now.

Eru

I offer a compromise:

They can change the shield breaker set if you give us back night's silence stacking with dark stalker + concealed weapon + steed mundus.

Igawotch · September 2015

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

Can there be a shield breaker set for light armor as well please?

Pls do this zos

leepalmer95 · September 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

DK's are now nerfed to the ground, they can be strong if played by a good player, but nb's are strong when played by average players ^^ and insanely strong when played by a good player

Yes. Zenimax does eventually balance everything. They take their time; but NBs strong with an average player? Eh. Survive the burst and NBs are squishy and easy.

But now nb's can simply cloak and it's not annoying frustrating to get them out of it, then they'll burst again.

Cypriot122 · September 2015

I completely agree with Eru. No point nerfing sorcs like this since ZOS decided to buff NBs by making detect pots not be able to find them while using cloak.
NBs were complaining about being found in cloak and how such a key skill was being beaten that easily. With shield breaker being added it makes Conjured Ward almost useless, therefore a key skill for sorcs is easily beaten as well.
How about some balance ZOS?

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Cypriot122 wrote: »

I completely agree with Eru. No point nerfing sorcs like this since ZOS decided to buff NBs by making detect pots not be able to find them while using cloak.
NBs were complaining about being found in cloak and how such a key skill was being beaten that easily. With shield breaker being added it makes Conjured Ward almost useless, therefore a key skill for sorcs is easily beaten as well.
How about some balance ZOS?

Unfortunately, ZOS has a very warped and "unique" definition of balance (as seen with some of their fixes and patches). The implementation of Shield Breaker just happens to be 1 of those "unique" definitions of balance. Want to know something even more warped? Chances are, nothing will be buffed on the sorcerer NOR nerfed on the Nightblade's behalf. Why? Because the Nightblades who are members here have pretended about how weak they were for so long, that ZOS has completely shoved the idea of nerfed them out of the window.

Ironically enough, I recently made a Nightblade on both console and Mac/PC. Just to see how mediocre they were, as numerous people have attempted to claim they were. And I can truly say that they are FAR from: Lacking, squishy, or weak. And again, this is on a platform where the Imperial City changes have been done performed and lacking there of said changes. And on both platforms, they outshine Sorcerers and Dragonknights alike. Keep in mind, I have numerous acquaintances who use Nightblades, so I knew already what to expect (somewhat). However, they pretty much just steamroll through both enemies and players alike.

Sentinel · September 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

Indeed, the Shield Breaker set is putting shields and shielded players UPSIDE DOWN:

Shields are meant to PROTECT people from damage.
With the Shield Breaker set, shields instead become a MAGNET for damage.

Shields are becoming USELESS if people cannot risk using them
because the "attracted damage" kills them faster than being naked.

The current DAMAGE OUTPUT of the Shield Breaker set is beyond belief.
Perhaps make it 10% of the current value, then we may have a foundation to work with.

Alternatively, the devs could also introduce a Cloak Breaking set to break NBs as well. After all class skills are made unplayable, we all share the same fate and the can fight naked.

You likely didn't see the first PTS version of Shield breaker. Its value was half of which it is on live, 1000 damage per light/heavy attack. You know what it was like? I dueled a sorcerer and with the set I could provide decent pressure, but the sorcerer had enough room to cc, heal and get past the damage. ZOS might like doing heavy handed nerfs, but we shouldn't encourage them (10% of its current value would make it completely worthless for 5pc bonus).

Also as for the 'cloak breaker', a good set for that already is overwhelming surge. The aoe will break any nearby NBs who cloaked out of stealth and make cloak almost completely unreliable. If people seem to think there are too few ways to break cloak, that just means one hasn't actually embraced most tactics so far xD (like aoe, radiant, piercing mark, detect pots). If a NB is truly trying to fight you and is using cloak, that cloak can be made useless by any of those means.

Sithisvoid · September 2015

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class. They have always been the amongst most powerful and have always had the best utility when played effectively. Unfortunately NBs are also the most vocal QQers and therefore anything that doesn't suit them ("hey I can't instakill this sorc QQ") gets cried about on these forums until ZOS nerfs it excessively to satisfy the NB scrubs.

Shields needed tweaking but the shield breaker set is yet another example of a lazy one size fits all solution by ZOS, alongside the streak / block / dodge roll nerfs. At the end of the day they have no real clue about balance / don't have the time or the resources to achieve anything resembling balance so they just change a bunch of stuff so everyone had to relearn the game and when people start to realise things are still in a crap state they will change it all again to throw us off the scent!

Edit / inb4 all the NBs coming in saying this is balanced and needed because they have always been too bad to kill a decent sorc.

Show me on this doll where the NB touched you

killingspreeb16_ESO · September 2015

It's funny how sorc still pointing NB when since 1.6 it they were the best class and even now they still the best class,but since there is finally a counter the forum is full of Sorc who cry about this set....asking stupid thing like cloak breaker set...cloak can be countered but NO cloak should be useless and insta kill the NB!because magelight/flare/aoe/detect pot or skill like daedric curse can't be used to counter cloak right?and gap closer still break cloak sometime,even streak break cloak and stun the nb.

Where is the counter to shield stack other than a set wich is USELESS against everyone who don't rely on shield?there is no one,since i play only melee dual wield main bar two hand utility/support bar i can kill easily bad sorc who keep stay on melee range and pretending to be a tank/dps with no risk,but i can see the problem with shield breaker+bow (range+high attack speed)

Alucardo · September 2015

I can finally save my resources by putting pressure on sorcs and simply light attacking, while watching their tiny health reserves deplete. Today is a good day.

Forestd16b14_ESO · September 2015

Some one doesn't want there bubble popped and in all honestly I think ZOS didn't even nerf shields cause I am still seeing sorcs taking on 5 different players at once and taking forever to barely kill. Plus why the crying the damage bonuses only work on light and heavy weapon attacks only and last time I checked they weren't the most popular method of attacking in this game and to add a cherry on top tlight attacks barely do any damage at all and heavy attacks awhile to charge up that's enough time to dodge roll back or side step to completely dodge the attack.

Also what is this about DKs parting with temps and NBs ? DKs are nearly gone from PvP and templars powers come no where near the new OP NB meta and according to most other sorcs are right behind NBs.

But any way please stop crying that there is a new set that can pop your bubble and again I use the word SET which means you have to wear 5 of it to use it and last time I checked there were alot of other sets that are better and more general purpose cause what uses is extra damage to shields against a NB or Templar ?

pmn100b16_ESO · September 2015

I would never buy this set but all this sorcerer QQ has made me consider dropping 5k stones on it. Will be an asset I'm sure 'cause all these tears look delicious.

danno8 · September 2015

OLIVI3R wrote: »

Erudition wrote: »

Okay so i started a thread about this and got nowhere but this needs to get fixed.

The weak players who cried about good sorcs have ruined it for all sorcs. Meanwhile good nb's dk's and temp's are having a party.

Shield breaker is an absolute joke combined with the bolt escape nerf and the shield nerf. Good sorcs are useless this patch against that stupidly ill-conceived set.

Last time i raised this a whole heap of useless nb forum warriors (who cant even play well when they are op) pretending to be sorcs disagreed with me (what a joke that was).

If you are going to have a shield breaker set please make a cloak breaker set, a wing breaker set and a jabs breaker (with crazy heals) set.

This game is stupidly biased against sorcs and we need to get this fixed fast or 25% of the players in this game will eventually quit.

I personally can live with it because i have all 3 other classses and can play them if needed but my first love was sorc and it has been rekked by the stupid cry babies on these forums who have overnerfed sorcs by a mile. As for you sorcs who lets this happen and didnt get involved shame on you and please get focused now.

Eru

I absolutely agree.

ATM I have 2 mains- a sorc and a stamina templar. I have experienced both sides of this set and I am quite sure that it is OP. No other class has a set that would counter their survivability. There is not 5 piece bonus that would do damage to DKs' and Templars' self-healing or damage NBs' whenever they sneak.

The fact that you can just light attack to kill a sorc with 20k HP and 30k dmg shield up is absurd to me.

There are at least 4 skills off the top of my head that do damage to DK/Templar healing (defile debuff) and many counters to sneak. There need not be a set bonus for those things.

In regards to the set, it is too much damage especially since the 2.1k of damage goes unmitigated AND unaffected by Battle Spirit. There are a few options:

1. Run the damage through Battle Spirit (50% less, but still useful)
2. Add a 2 second CD (works out to around 50% reduction also, ~75% against bows)
3. Change it so it is only applied on heavy attacks (also probably around 50% or more reduction, esp. bow users)
4. Change the amount to 1.1k
5. Damage is applied against the shield, not bypassing it.

I think any of these would work to balance it out.

CP5 · September 2015

Its funny, so many people only care about getting revenge on the sorcerers they so hate that they ignore how broadly this set will impact the game. But who cares if healing ward is a fast ticket to suicide, or that a dk's igneous shield can make not only the dk but those around them suffer? All we care about is getting revenge against the evil sorcerers who dare use skills to stay alive in game! Blarg.

lifefrombelowb14_ESO · September 2015

silky_soft wrote: »

It was either this or crit shields. To be honest I would rather crit shields. Get over it. As stam I never dodged for days but got punished because others did.

At least it requires a 5 piece set (which takes a lot away from your build potential) and not a thing everyone can do. If we could all crit shields this would be far worse then a set that's only really working because everyone isn't in min/max VR16 gear and haven't figured out how to fully play with the changes yet.

lifefrombelowb14_ESO · September 2015

SeptimusDova wrote: »

I wanna see Blinxeys build versus shield breaker !!!!!!!

He/she (sorry don't know which) seemed to be doing alright.

killingspreeb16_ESO · September 2015

CP5 wrote: »

Its funny, so many people only care about getting revenge on the sorcerers they so hate that they ignore how broadly this set will impact the game. But who cares if healing ward is a fast ticket to suicide, or that a dk's igneous shield can make not only the dk but those around them suffer? All we care about is getting revenge against the evil sorcerers who dare use skills to stay alive in game! Blarg.

It's funny how every sorc try to nerf this set in to oblivion,and asking stupid thing like cloak breaker set....this set good or bad design it's the only counter to shieldstacking,roll dodge got nerfed same goes for block and as stamina NB those nerf (plus the nerf to stamina regen)are a good nerf to my defense and is not forcing a magika player to use a set to counter roll dodge/block,if they nerf shield stacking they can easily rework this set in to a new one less toxic but better overall, but i think the sorc forum will cry anyways,never try to balance our Sorcs Overlord!